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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A90872	A true and faithfull narrative (for substance) of a publique dispute between Mr. Tho. Porter, & Mr. Hen. Haggar; concerning infant-Baptism. In the parish church of Ellesmer in the county of Salop, on the 30 of April, 1656. / By one who was present at, and a diligent observer of, the debate.	Porter, Thomas, d. 1667.; Haggar, Henry.	1656 (1656)	Wing P2998F; Thomason E887_1; ESTC R207352	16,499	27

call by the Spirit how else are they saved dying in infancy though not of an externall call 2. What though they cannot hear the children of the Gentiles called are no more to be excluded from Baptism then the children of the Jews from circumcision who yet could not hear understand or performe that condition Gen. 17.1 Walke before me 3. Your illustration of Childrens not working added to Mark 16.16 doth cut the throat * Mr. Higgar starred at this word saying What a word is that M. Porter said the meaning is it did take away the life and strength of his Argument of your answer For if faith and repentance be not required to Salvation then not to Baptism a signe of Salvation Besides it is all one as if you should say as you have said Infants are not Church-members because they do not all the acts of Church-members 3. Priviledge Mr. Porter They are Saints holy by Covenant 1 Cor. 7. 14. Else are your children unclean but now are they holy Whence I argue thus Saints may be baptized some Infants are Saints Therefore some Infants may be baptized Mr. Haggar They are not visible Saints not Saints by calling Mr. Porter I have proved they are capable of an internall call and that they are visible Church-members Therefore they are Saints by calling and visible Saints But Sir Those whom Paul cals and judges to be holy are visible Saints but he here cals and judges Infants to be holy Therefore Mr. Haggar By this text you may as well prove unbelievers to be holy for he that is sanctified is a Saint or holy but the unbeliever is said here to be sanctified Therefore legitimation is only here meant Mr. Porter To be santified here and to be holy are two distinct phrases When the Apostle saith The unbeliever is sanctified he addes by the wife by the busband But when he saith Children are holy that is laid down simply without any such addition There is an inherent holynesse of which certainly some Infants are partakers and a relative or federall holinesse of which all children of believing Parents are without doubt partakers Now it 's apparent that legitimation is not meant That holynesse is here meant which is the proper and immediate result of faith in one of the Parents but legitimation is not the proper and immediate result of faith Therefore legitimation is not here meant Mr. Haggar Prove that legitimation is not the result of faith I say it is Mr. Porter That which is common to believers and unbelievers is not the result of faith but legitimation is common to believers and unbelievers For there is a true and lawfull mariage among the Hethens and their children born in Wedlock were not bastards but legitimate yet are no where nor in any propriety of speech can be called holy Besides the word here is opposed to unclean * Isa 52.1 Hag. 2.13 The constant meaning of holy in Scripture is 600 times taken for being separated to an holy use If I call Mr. Haggars children holy would any man imagine that I called them legitimate not bastards i.e. such who are unfit for Gospell ordinances Mr. Browne This holinesse is the result of an unbeliever Mr. Porter You contradict the Apostle quite and clean especially in his scope for when the Gospell was first Preached among the Heathens sometimes the wife and not the hustand did embrace the Gospell and so contrarily the husband and not the wife In processe of time the converted Corinthians sent a case of conscience to be resolved not whether their children were bastards they could resolve that themselves at home but whether they might conscientiously cohabit with their unconverted yoke-fellows The Apostle resolves the case plainly they might cohabit vers 12 13. And gives this reason vers 14. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by in or to the wife by the believing wife as Beza reads it and finds it so in some copies c. which is more then lawfull † 1 Tim. 4.5 A wicked man hath a lawfull use of the creature but not an holy use which he confirmes by this Else were your children unclean but now they are holy Is it not as clear as the sun that holynesse here is the result of faith of one Parent For what is an unbeliever but one that doth not embrace or professe the Gospell and then what is a believer but the contrary The infidelity of one unbelieving Parent rent cannot devest his children of Covenant holinesse if the other parent be believing Only to reassume my argument I pray you good people take notice that it is granted by Mr. Haggar Here they were nonplust again that Saints may be baptized and it 's proved by Scripture that Infants are Saints and yet Mr. Haggar will not assent to the Conclusion here as he denyed it elsewhere Mr. Tallant The people have indured the heat of the day and have stood long in the crowd I am afraid we shall be too injurious to them therefore go on if you think fit to another Priviledge 4. Priviledge Mr. Porter It 's written Act. 10.47 Can any man forbid water that these should not be baptized which have received the holy Ghost as well as we Whence I argue thus They who receive the spirit of Christ may be baptized but some Infants receive the Spirit of Christ Therefore some Infants may be baptized Mr. Haggar You must put in As well as we Mr. Browne What did Infants receive the Spirit of Christ as well as the Apostles Mr. Porter What if I did say so it would not help you nor hurt me You have acknowledged your ignorance in the Originall it 's therefore to no purpose to tell you 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 s●cut nos Beza that the words may be read even as we and so the phrase is rendred Act. 15.8 Even as he did to us And it cannot be denyed that some Infants receive the Spirit aeque though not aequaliter as well though not so much water in a spoon is water as well as that in a barrell Infants then may receive the Spirit as well for quality though not for quantity as the Apostles did And so the Apostle himselfe expounds it Chap. 11.17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did to us Marke 1. Pet. 1.1 Like pretious faith with us the like gift Else if you will needs understand it of the measure you will contradict your own practise for time past and overthrow it for time to come For you must never baptize any unlesse you are sure they have the same measure of the Spirit I shall therefore reassume my argument with that addition They who receive the Spirit of Christ as well as the Apostles may be baptized but some Infants receive the Spirit of Christ as well as the Apostles Therefore some Infants may be baptized Mr. Haggar Who are here to be baptized vers 46. These who spake with tongues

these who magnified God these who heard the word vers 44. Can any man hinder that these should be baptized Mr. Porter Doe you baptize none but such as these The emphasis lies on these words Which have received the holy Ghost Mr. Haggar I deny that Infants receive the Spirit of Christ as well as the Apostles Mr. Porter They who receive the spirit of Regeneration receive the Spirit of Christ as well as the Apostles but some Infants receive the spirit of Regeneration Therefore some Infants receive the Spirit of Christ as well as the Apostles Mr. Haggar By the Spirit is meant the gift of tongues as appears vers 46. And children are not capable of Regeneration because they are not capable of hearing the word by which the children of God are begotten Jam. 1.18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth Mr. Porter Admit miraculous gifts were meant the Argument is not weakned but strengthned for if the gift of tongues entitle to Baptism much more the gift of Regeneration Besides those miraculous gifts are common to Hypocrites and others but Regeneration is proper to Gods elect 2. As for that in James you may as well exclude children from eating because they cannot work as children from Regeneration because they cannot hear the word the usuall instrument of Regeneration * 1 Pet. 1.23 The Spirit of Christ doth that in Infants saved without the word which he doth not usually in adult but by the word 3. It 's a Paradoxe that Infants are not capable of the Spirit of Regeneration for Rom. 8.9 If any man have not the Spirit of Christ hee is none of his Mr. Haggar Yea a Man not a Childe Mr. Porter The word † 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Aliquis signifies any one Man Woman or Childe as Joh. 3.3 Except a man the same word be born again he cannot see the Kingdome of God And vers 5. Except a man the same word be born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God Mr. Browne Those in Rom. 8.9 doe not reach Infants for the Apostle did not write his Epistle to Infants Mr. Porter A weak reason Though the Apostle did not write to Infants Rom. 9.8 11 27. yet he did write of Infants Mr. Haggar A weak reason Sir you your self have bewrayed your weaknesse in proving nothing Good people Mr. Porter hath proved nothing only he hath used Tropes and Figures Mr. Porter You Mr. Haggar are a party and therefore not fit to be judge If you had not a brow of brasse you durst not say I have proved nothing Whether I have proved something or nothing I leave it to the judicious hearers before whose tribunall I am content to stand or fall Mr. Browne You have used but Sophistry Mr. Porter I leave that to your self who are most verst in it Mr. Browne was here mute I pray you shew me the Sophistry I have used in any Argument or Scripture and convince me before this great Congregation Mr. Tallants Shew it shew it if you can where doth the Sophistry lie Sir You have heard what Mr. Porter hath brought for the proose of Infant-Baptisme If you can prove that Infants ought not to be baptized produce your Scriptures and you shall be heard Mr. Haggar It 's hard to prove Negatives we came not to prove a Negative Mr. Tallants I think it fit therefore to break off this dispute and to conclude with Prayer * Which Mr. Tallant did but it was observed that though Mr. Haggar kept off his hat yet Mr. Brown put on his and kept it on his head all the while Mr. Tallants prayed especially considering that the Congregation or most in the Congregation have stood in the croud for the space of five hours 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 THE END