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A67325 A necessary treatise for this age, or, A plain discovery of that great error of denying baptisme with water to the children of believers in justification of the arguments of John Turner, for infants basptisme, against Robert Admond : together with several other useful particulars on this subject, the contents whereof follow in the next page / briefly and plainly handled and discust by Thomas Wall. Wall, Thomas. 1669 (1669) Wing W486; ESTC R38029 30,254 53

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was a sign of holiness and not of Canaan and if it had been a sign of the Promise of the Land what need had they to Circumcise any more when they possessed the land thus let all men beware of these blind guides that heed not what they say to maintain their errors R. A. Again you say If by the everlasting Covenant be meant all the children of Believers are in the covenant of grace and so to be baptized you say it is false for whosoever is truly in the Covenant of Grace can never fall finally away from it Esay 54. 10. Jer. 31. 3. and 9. But say you the Children of Believers may and do prove wicked and be reprobates witnesse Ishmael Esau c. therefore it appears all the children of Believers are not in the Covenant of Grace and so none to be baptized till some declarative sign to know which are in the Covenant of Grace which will not be made manifest till they are grown up and able to make profession of Faith and then we have that we contend for Ans It is well known that we believe Election and I am glad you do not deny Election but secret things belong to God and revealed things to us and to our children Deut. 29. 29. but when the Lord made his Covenant with Abraham and his Seed he was commanded to administer the Seal of Faith to his children in infancy whether they would stand or fall he had no Rule to question nor you if you were guided by that Spirit that guided him and if he and the children of Israel should have been of your belief when Ishmael became a mocker and Esau a prophane person having both the outward Seal of Faith they would have circumcised no more lest they had not Faith because some do fall away had they done well think you but having no such Rule from God they would not follow their own spirits as you do like the false Prophets in Israel that had seen nothing Ezek. 13. 3. But the faithfull had learned to obey which is better than sacrifice and to hearken than the fat of Rambs 1 Sam. 15. 22. and that which is highly esteemed among men is abominable in the sight of God Luk. 16. 15. And how highly esteem'd is this error among the people of your Judgment to deny the outward Seal of the Covenant of God to the Seed of the Faithfull without warrant from his Word Moreover If we should not baptize our Children because some may fall away and become as Ishmael and Esau by like grounds you should not baptize elder people because after they fall away as Symon Magus Demas the like so to follow your fantasy rather than Faith and neglect Gods Ordinance because we cannot enter into Gods Seat to know the heart Let all beware of this as Solomon saith There is a way that seemeth right unto man but the end thereof are the wayes of death Pro. 16. 25. Again If one by carnall reason should follow your steps to say that the Children of Believers have not Faith because the fruits of Faith doth not yet appear they might reason against you and say that there is none of your Judgment do yet believe because it is said These signs shall follow them that believe they shall cast out devils and speak with new Tongues They shall take up Serpents and if they drink any deadly poyson it shall not hurt them they shall lay their hands on the sick and they shall recover Mark 16. 17 18. Now consider because that these signs do not now attend believers since extraordinary Officers ceased do none believe therefore So though the Apostle saith That Circumcision was the Seal of Faith and it was no lying sign shall any say that Children have or had not Faith because we cannot see the signs of Faith Remember what the Wiseman saith Be not over just Now to conclude this point consider what God saith of the Children of his People Even the house of Jacob and all the remnant of the house of Israel which are born by me from the belly which are carried from the womb Even to old age c. Isa 46. 3 4. And again The Lord hath called me from the womb from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name Esa 49. 1. And in verse 5. And now saith the Lord that formed me from the womb to be his servant And again I formed thee in the belly I knew thee and before thou camest forth of the womb I sanctified thee Jer. 1. 5. And again The babe leaped in the womb for joy Luke 1. 44. Thus the children of Gods people are born unto the Lord as it written Thou hast taken my sons and my daughters whom thou hast born unto me And again Thou hast stain my children Ezek. 16. 20 21. Which children are a holy seed Ezra 9. 2. Isa 6. 13. Jer. 2. 3. 1 Cor. 7. 14. Mal. 2. 15. Which cannot be without Gods Spirit which sanctifieth all that have it 1 Thes 4. 7 8. 2 Cor. 1. 21 22. Which Spirit is the Spirit of Faith 2 Cor. 4. 13. Therefore having the Spirit of Faith they are Christs Rom. 8. 9. Or else none of his now how clear a matter is this that Infants are the Lords and Christ and so have his spirit We shall conclude with the holy Spirit that the children of the faithfull have right to Baptism as it is written can any man forbid water that these should not be baptized which have received the holy Ghost as well as we Acts 10. 47. Now let none reason with Nicodemus How can these things be John 3. 9. But in sobriey say with Solomon As thou knowest not what is the way of the Spirit nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all Eccle. 11. 5. Object If any further object and say that Abraham was commanded to command his children and his houshold supposing that a mans servants are his houshold Answ Abraham was a Prophet and at that time the Church of God was under his government so that as he was a Prophet and Over-see● the Lord knew he would feed the Church of God as he was a Father he would teach his Children the nurture and admonition of the Lord Eph. 6. So that he and all true Pastors that was fit according to the rule must both rule his own children having them in subjection with all gravity for if a man know not how to rule his own house how shall he take car● of the Church of God 1 Tim. 3. 4. 5. And that a mans servants are not called his house or houshold but are distinguished by the holy Ghost called houshold-servants Acts 10. 7. As a mans goods are called houshold-stuffe Nehemiah 15. 8. Thus I suppose the Objection is fully answered And now my friend I shall endeavour according to that small understanding I have to
to agree in one as the Apostle saith They that are unlearned and unstable wrest as they do also the other Scriptures unto their own destruction 2 Peter 3. 16. Now then the whole Scriptures are called the Word of God 1 Thes 2. 13. Luk. 8. 11. Yet as it hath many sentences or words as every word of God is pure Prov. 30. 5. Yet it is called the word of God because it agreeth in one harmony together as when a controversie fell out among the Church at Antioch it was ended in reconciling both Old and New Testaments together As it is written to this agreeth the words of the Prophet Acts 15. 15. And all the Apostles Doctrins agree with the Doctrins of the Prophets Rev. 21. 12. 14 19. Ephes 2. 20. Acts 26. 22. Acts 17. 11. Rom. 15. 4. Again the Apostle saith For there are three that bear record in Heaven the Father the Word and the Holy Ghost and these three are one And there are three that bear witnesse in earth the Spirit the Water and the Blood and these three agree in one 1 Joh. 5. 7. 8. Even so there are three baptisms the baptism of the Spirit Mat. 3. 11. the baptism of suffering Mark 10. 38 39. John 18. 11. and the baptism of Water Acts 10 47. Yet the Apostle saith there is but one baptism Ephes 4. 5. So that there is but one word or tearm for these three baptisms and when they be rightly understood the signification of the word baptism will agree in one so I shall begin with the first in order The signification of the word baptism is opened by the Spirit of God in the administration thereof in the spiritual baptism to be a pouring forth as saith the Prophet Vntill the spirit be poured on us from on high Esa 32. 15. Ezek. 39. 29. Joel 2. 28. which was fulfilled in Acts 2. 17. 18. and 10. 45. So that by this one Spirit the whole Church or body of Christ consisting of men women children are baptised into one body 1 Cor. 12. 13. Being an holy nation by the gift and sanctification of that holy Spirit 1 Peter 2. 9. 1 Thes 4. 8. Rom 15. 16. Heb. 11. 2. And this baptism of the Spirit is by the Spirit of God called sprinkling Ezek. 36. 25 26. Heb. 9. 14. 1 Pet. 1. 2. in the manner of Rain Psal 77. 17. Secondly There is also the Baptism of suffering Mark 10. 38 39. Col. 1 24. which the Saints or Members of Christs Body do partake of Phil. 2. 17. 2 Cor. 1. 5 6 7. As for example one suffers reproaches Heb. 13. 13. others reproaches and losse of goods Heb. 33. 34. others banishment Esa 51. 14. Rev. 1. 9. others losse of life Rev. 1● 11. So every one according to the measure the Lord is pleased they shall be exercised with and these degrees of suffering some more and some lesse is the word Baptism signified by but shall a man say that he that suffers reproaches and not losse of goods is not partaker of Baptism of suffering or he or they that suffer losse of goods and banishment and not losse of life is he not partaker of the baptism of suffering because he doth not partake in the largest sense of the signification of the word baptism in suffering consider these things And thirdly There is also the Baptism of Water which being the same word as the two former in signification and we see the baptism of the Spirit is administred by pouring or sprinkling and also in Isa So shall he sprinkle many Nations Isa 52. 15. ye we see every one hath not a like measure of the Spirit Rom. 12. 3. but to every one is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ he gave some Apostles some Prophets some Evangelists some Pastors some Teachers Eph. 4. And he that received least received one tallent and all the baptism of the Spirit but shall a man say because he that received but one Tallent or the least gift of the Spirit that he is not partaker of the spiritual baptism because he hath not ten Tallents or the largest gift of the Spirit he would be deceived in his understanding of the true meaning of the word so as the word in the two former significations is not nor cannot be tied up to one sense according to the Scriptures nor the testimony of the Learned but signifieth more or lesse water in the administration of the baptism of water being performed in the order of God therefore it is evill to confine the word in the signification to dipping or greatest measure of the use of water unlesse the two other baptisms of the Spirit and suffering could or ought to be confined to the greatest measure of the Spirit and suffering but the learned in the Tongues as I conceive durst not confine the signification of the word Baptism to one sense as you presumptuously do but not only to dip but to wash to water and sprinkle and did very faithfully to leave it in the tearm baptize to be understood of all Gods people as his holy Spirit should direct them by context of Scripture comparing spiritual things with spiritual one Scripture unfolding another by harmony of agreement and this may be observed for a general rule of Faith that whatsoever Doctrin Collection or Observation for a truth believed out of holy Scripture by any If an absurdity will fall upon it then their supposed truth is but error as for example when some denyed the Resurrection of the Body the Apostle Paul overthrew their collection by an absurdity that justly would fall upon it in these words If the dead rise not then is not Christ risen then is our preaching vain and your faith is also vain the like 1 Cor. 15. So likewise if according to your understanding of the word Baptize that it is only to be understood of the greatest measure of washing by dipping plunging or overwhelming it will then upon it this absurdity follow that he that hath not the greatest measure of the baptism of the Spirit as the Apostles Prophets and Evangelists hath not the baptism of the Spirit then the whol Church are not baptized by one Spirit into o●e Body for every one had not a like measure but had diversities of gifts then there is * Contrary to 1 Cor. 3. 1. 1 Pet. 2. 2. no babes in Christ but only those that have the greatest measure of knowledge contrary to the Apostles doctrin 1 Cor. 12. 4. 7 8 9 10 11 12 13. seeing that it hath the same word for the spiritual baptism as for the water it must needs have the like sense in signification and if one may be tyed up to the largest sense only there is like reason for the other and if not the one then not the other thus my friend R. A. consider how you are deceived in your understanding of the true sense of the word Baptize and observe farther what