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A55892 The principles of a people stiling themselves Philadelphians discovered in their nicest points and matters; accurately handled, shewing their rise, continuance, and tenents in doctrin and manner of proceeding, &c. Also a curious discourse between an English dissenter and French Protestant, by way of dialogue, in vindication of the Church of England against novelties in religion. Lafite, Daniel. Friendly discourse between an English dissenter and a French Protestant. 1697 (1697) Wing P3494A; ESTC R219027 36,218 131

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into visibility as coming out of the Wilderness in this present Age then will it go on to Multiply and Propagate universally not only to the number of the First-born but also to the Remnant of the Seed against which the Dragon shall make continual War wherefore the Spirit of David must most eminently revive in this Church and especially in the most Eminent Members of it who shall have Power given them to resist and overcome the Dragon and his Angels This will be standing up of Michael the Great Prince of Israel Egypt figures out the servile condition under which each one of Abraham's Seed doth groan but a Prophet and Prophetical Generation will the most High yet raise up who with Spiritual Weapons will deliver his People For Christ before his own distinct and Personal appearance will first appear and represent himself in some close Vessel to be a Guide to the rest to bring them unto the Land of promise the new Created State whereby they shall make away to the Redeemed of the Lord to return to Mount Sion but none shall stand in any considerable Office under God but such as are tryed Stones after the Pattern and Similitude of the Chief Corner Stone Christ This will be a Fiery Tryal which but a few will be able to pass wherefore those that wait for the Appearance of the Visible Church are strictly charged to hold fast that which they have and wait together in unity of pure Love praying in the Holy Ghost according to the Apostolick Pattern that they may be sent forth to multiply more universally As for this Tryal say they will be of absolute necessity to every one in particular and to all in general for the Cementing and Constituting the True Philadelphian Church by clearing away all the presiding Infirmities of Nature and burning up all the Hay-stubble and Dross which they may have added to the Work of the Lord for in the pure Church nothing must remain but what can endure the Fiery Tryal for as a Refiner will the Lord purifie the Sons and Daughters of it that they may offer unto him an Offering in perfect Righteousness Though say they the Operation of the Holy Spirit in the Waters may contend for along with many Evils and Infirmities but nevertheless if it be kept warm and watched to it cannot but work out a perfect Cure and bring about a full and total Redemption from the Earth wherefore it is required on our part to suffer the Spirit of burning to do upon us the Refining Work Fanning us with his Fiery Breath and searching every part within us until all be pure and clear and we arrive at the fixed Body from whence the Wonders are to flow out and this Body continue they will be the Sealing character of the Philadelphian Church upon this Body will be fixed the Urim and Thummim Light and Perfection that are to be appropriated to the Priests of the Melchizedekian Order whose Descent is not to be accounted in the Genealogy of that Creation which is under the Fall but in another Genealogy which is from the Restauration Hence they will have a deep Search and a Divine Insight to the secret things of God and will be able to Prophecy in a clear Ground not darkly or enegmatically but will know what is couched in the first Originality of all Beings and in the Eternal Archetys of all Nature and so will be capable to bring them forth according to the Divine Councils and Ordinances The mighty Spirit of Cyrus is appointed to lay the Foundation of the third Temple and to support its Building There are say they such Characters and Marks whereby the pure Virgin Church so Founded shall be certainly known and distinguished from others and whereby the true sound and union of the Holy Ghost shall be discerned from that which is Low False and Counterfeit for there must be a Manifestation of the Spirit whereby to edifie and raise up the Church suitable to the Resurrection of Christ This Manifestation therefore say they must be in the Absoluteness of Power as well as in the Beauty of Holiness to bring down Heaven upon Earth and represent here the New Jerusalem State In order to which Spirits that are thus pure Begotten and Born of God can ascend to the Jerusalem above and receive there such a Mission whereby they shall be empowered to bring down its Glory and none but those that are Risen with Christ in Regeneration can ascend and having received of his Glory can descend again to communicate the same and to be his Representatives upon the New Earth as subordinate under him But he that is Ascended and Glorified has made himself as it were our Debtor and will not be wanting to furnish and qualifie our High and Principal Instruments who shall be most humble for the drawing to them the scatter'd Flock and gathering them into one Fold out of all Nations Languages and Kindred Therefore there should be a Holy Emulation and Ambition stired up among all Lovers of Jesus that they may be the first Fruits to Him that is risen and be made Principal Agents for him and with him that they may be if possible of the First Born of the New Jerusalem Mother That all Lovers of Jesus and true waiters for the Kingdom in Spirit under what Profession soever say they or Forms dispersed ought to be numbred amongst the Philadelphian Spirits to which this Message appertains They own the Society is not the Church but a Preparatory of such as wait in the unity of Spirit for it Glorious Appearance and Manifestation This and much more they deliver but when all they can say i● done the Purity of the Worship in the National Establish'd Church and the soundness of its Doctrine ought to be adher'd to rather than new fangles and uncertainties and whimsies A curious Discourse of whose Discipline I shall now give you in a Dialogue between an English Dissenter and a French Protestant wherein many curious Points are nicely handled and controverted greatly for the Edification of the Reader A Friendly Discourse BETWEEN AN ENGLISH Dissenter AND A FRENCH Protestant Engl. Dissenter I Understand Sir you are a French Protestant I am heartily glad to see you Fr. Protestant You are truly inform'd Sir I am a French Protestant E. D. Pray Sir in what Condition are the poor Protestants in France F. P. When I left France their Condition was very deplorable and for any thing I hear it continues so still E. D. I am griev'd at my heart for them for I am so much one with them as to their Religion for which they are fo cruelly Persecuted that I cannot but extreamly Pity them F. P. Then I suppose Sir you are a Protestant E. D. Yes Sir and of the same Judgment as you are in matters of Religion F. P. I am glad to understand so much Like we say loves like E. D. Pray Sir how long have you been in England F. P. Almost
THE PRINCIPLES OF A PEOPLE Stiling themselves Philadelphians Discovered in their nicest Points and Matters accurately handled shewing their Rise Continuance and Tenents in Doctrin and manner of Proceeding c. ALSO A Curious Discourse between an English Dissenter and French Protestant by way of Dialogue in Vindication of the Church of England against Novelties in Religion LONDON Printed for W. Whitwood at the Rose and Crown in Little-Britain Price 6d 1697. The Principles of a People stiling themselves Philadelphians c. THere has lately appeared in England especially at London the great Metropolis of this Kingdom a Sect or certain number of People who attribute to themselves an extraordinary Sanctity pretending to Revelation of glorious things to come in their Church and to be very near at hand Wherefore finding the Discourse of them has made a great noise and is much talked of I have thought fit among other matters by way of Essay to give a Light into their Principles considering several who have heard of them are ignorant of what they pretend to and that from their own Writings and Sayings They seem to derive themselves from a Sect long since started up calling themselves the Family of Love now stilling themselves Philadelphians or the Little Virgin Church of Philadelphia waiting for and expecting the Kingdom of Christ and inviting all People to come into their Congregation absurdly intimating as if Salvation was no where else so sure to be obtained promising themselves to grow by degrees into a glorious Church adorned with Purity and Holiness a Virgin Church undefiled and this in some of their Writings is said to be revealed to them by the Holy One However they keep up much Mirth and Jollity sing Hymns of their own making and would make the World believe they are extraordinarily gifted above others and now hear their Principal Opinions and Tenents They hold there shall be a total and full Redemption by Christ but that it is a hidden Mystery not to be understood without the Revelation of the Holy Spirit That the Holy Spirit is now at hand to reveal it to all loving Enquirers and holy Seekers and that at present the Completion of such a Redemption is withheld and obstructed by the Apocaliptical Seals wherefore as the Spirit of God shall open Seal after Seal so shall this Redemption come in time to be revealed not only particularly but also universally That in this gradual opening the Mystery of Redemption in Christ doth consist the unsearchable Wisdom of God which continually may Reveal Truth and new things to those that worthily search after them In order to which the Ark of the Testimony shall be open in Heaven before the World shall end and the living Testimony contained therein shall be unsealed That the presence of the Divine Ark will constitute the Philadelphian Church and where-ever that is there of necessity must the Ark be and that the unsealing of the Living Testimony within the Ark of the Lord must begin the promulgation of the everlasting Gospel of the Kingdom That the proclaiming of the Testimony of the Kingdom will be done as with the sound of a Trumpet to give notice of it to all the Nations upon Earth and particularly to the Professors of the Christian Religion because it will be all ended with the power of acting Wonders and Miracles so that there shall be an Authoritative Decision immediatly given forth from Christ for the putting an end to all Controversies relating to the True Church and this Decision will be by the actual Sealing of the Members of the True Church with the name of God giving them a Commission to Act by Virtue of the same and this new Name say they will distinguish them from the Seven Thousand Names of Babylon but however the Election and Preparation of this Church is to be after a secret and hidden manner as in his Minority David was approved before his other Brethren and anointed by the Prophet Samuel and though by that means appointed King yet did he not presently enjoy it in its outward Possession till after Saul's Death Of the Stem of David afterwards arose a Church and another Virgin Church is yet to arise from the same Stem that has not known Man but as yet not Born and shall be ignorant of Humane Constitution And if it be yet to be Born then some considerable time will be required before it can outstrip its Minority and come to considerable Age or Maturity The Birth say they of the Virgin Church was visionary Tippified to St. John by the great wonder in Heaven a Woman bringing forth her First-born which was caught up to the Throne of God Revel 12. For as a Virgin Conceived and brought forth Christ after the Flesh so say they a Virgin is designed by God to bring forth the First-born after the Spirit who shall be silled with the Holy Ghost and with Power and the Virgin hereto designed must be of a pure Spirit and a Radiant Body purged from Sin and Dead Works impregnated with the Holy Ghost c. The Church so brought forth shall be Sealed with the Mark of the Divine Name and have the gift of Miracles and Power beyond whatever hath been so that all Nations thereby shall be brought unto it and so it shall be the Catholick Church according to the utmost Latitude and genuine sense of the Word and Signification It also must be an anointed Church whereby it may truly bear the Nature of Christ or Christian being with him Anointed to the Priestly Prophetical and Kingly Dignity and hence there will be no Impositions or Bonds but the Holy Unction among the new Born Spirits will be all in all and this Catholick anointed Church must be truly holy as Christ himself is holy so worthily bearing the Name of the Lord our Holiness or the Lord our Righteousness That until there be such a Church prepared on the Earth so Holy so Catholick and so Anointed that is without Spot or Blemish Adorned as a Bride to meet her Bridegroom Christ will not personally descend to solemnize this Marriage say they nor present it to his Father but when such a Bridal Church shall be made ready then he will no longer delay his Personal coming There is not continue they at this day visible on Earth a Holy Catholick Anointed and Bridal Church all the Churches and Professions being found light when weighed in the Ballance therefore they cannot be termed this Church but out of them a new and glorious Church shall arise up in whom there shall be no fault to be found like as he findeth none with Philadelphia then shall the Glory of God and the Lamb be so rested upon it as the Clouds on the Tippical Tabernacle that it shall be called the Tabernacle Church and the Tabernacle of Wisdom Tho' this Philadelphian Church is not yet known in visibility yet it may lie hid at this time in the Womb of the Morning though time will bring it
to stem the violent torrent of the Mobile and to hold out against the Persecutions of all the wicked Now that they might be qualified and capacitated for this strange and wonderfull undertaking God was pleased to indow them with many miraculous Gifts and Powers as of Prophecying speaking all sorts of Languages working of Miracles c. in order to which the Holy Ghost who is the true and alone Spirit of Prayer came down upon them in a visible and miraculous manner Which things being so for you to fetch an Argument from the Example of the Apostles either in respect of their Person Mission or extraordinary and miraculous Gifts and apply the same to your Ministers is every-whit as improper as if you should go about to prove that you or I can stop the Sun in his Course because Joshua did so E. D. I never intended by producing the Example of the Apostles to prove our Ministers equal to them as to their extraordinary gifts and graces neither do I suppose will you dare to compare the Coiners of your Liturgy or Common-prayer with those holy Men the Apostles of our Lord and Saviour F. P. I never did I onely said that the Compilers of our Liturgy were some of the most Pious and Learned men that ever England did afford E. D. They were no better than bigoted Papists F. P. How can that be when it is known that they suffered Perscution nay Martyrdom it self in the defence of the Protestant Religion and sealed and ratified the Common-prayer they had composed with their Bloud E. D. But pray Sir who gave them the power to compose the Common-prayer-book F. P. They had their Power and Authority from God and the King E. D. I shall be glad to hear you prove it F. P. That I will Sir for it is no such difficult matter as you may suppose I say therefore first that they had their power from God for they being Bishops and Governours of the Church had an unquestionable Power and Commission by virtue of their Charge and Office to redress and reform whatsoever was amiss in the Divine Service and forasmuch as in some foregoing Ages the Prayers of the Church had been corrupted and adulterated by inserting doubtfull Stories and Legends with a superfluous multiplicity of Responsals Prayers to the Blessed Virgin and other Saints Frayers for the Dead vain Repetitions Commemorations and Synodals c. they very wisely and prudently cast away all that was Popish and Superstitious retaining onely what was sound ancient and edifying and added f●●●e Prayers that were truly Apostolic●● and Primitive And besides they had a special Order and Command from King Edward VI. authorizing them so todoe E. D. I find all your Discourse comes to this that the Compilers of your Common-prayer-book onely chop'd and chang'd the Romish Liturgy and out of it with some Additions of their own patch'd up the Liturgy which is now used by the Church of England and which you do so much admire Now you know the Popish Liturgy is no other than their Mass-book which I think might to much better purpose have been quite laid aside than reform'd and patch'd up again F. P. I am not of your opinion and the Reasons that hinder me are these First Those Holy Men we are speaking of had no Power or Authority committed to them to plant or institute a new Religion but onely to reform the Abuses that were crept into the Church and the Corruptions of the pulick Worship of God which is the chiefest part of the Christian Religion now in this case it is evident that it was none of their duty or office to take away the whole publick Service or Liturgy which indeed at that time was very corrupt though not to that degree but that some good was still found amongst it but onely to change what was amiss to supply the defects of it and cast away whatsoever was corrupt or superfluous Secondly It was great wisedom in them to observe the mean between two extreams by shunning on the one hand a Spirit of bitterness and hatred against the Party they reformed from and on the other hand avoiding a sinfull compliance with the corruptions of those who were so unwilling to part with their Idolatry and Superstition And farther to illustrate my Argument I must tell you that the Reformers of our Church acted according to this commendable Maxim of Christian Charity and Moderation viz. That in love and condescention to the Church of Rome we ought not to reject any thing used by them but what is found contrary to the Word of God whereas the Reformers of your Party proceed according to this Rule That in hatred and detestation of Popery we ought not to admit the least thing the Papists make use of in their Divine Service and onely for this reason because they use it Now I would fain know of you which of these two you take to be the most Christian and Charitable method and whether the Principle our Reformers went by be not preferable to that of your Party The Reason is evident beyond dispute because our Reformers by retaining what was good and of primitive Purity in the publick Service of the Romanists and rejecting onely what was manifestly corrupt and superstitious they left a door open for them and as it were friendly invited them to leave their Adulterous Church and to enter into our Communion E. D. But pray tell me what great or good effect this Condescension did ever yet produce for I never understood that this their moderate and designing way of Reforming the Church has been a means to persuade the Papists to leave their Idolatry and Superstitions and to become Converts to their Church F. P. If I should grant you that the number of Popish Converts to our Church is not very considerable will it follow from thence that the means used for so good and charitable and End were undue or unlawfull For though God hitherto hath not been pleased to bless these good means with the greatest success that might be wish'd for yet we know not how soon he may especially considering that we had never more reason to expect the total downfall of Popery which according to outward appearance can no way so probably be brought about as by the Papists embracing the Protestant Religion Let us therefore take heed of deriding as you seem to do those lawfull moderate and Christian-like methods the Church of England hath made use to facilitate the Papists Conversion E. D. I find then you take your Common-prayer to be a lawfull moderate and Christian-like method or means to facilitate the Conversion of the Papists F. P. I do so and I question not but in due time it will prove very effectuall that way to the stopping of the mouths of all gain-sayers E. D. Ay you may look for it long enough I suppose and if by great chance it should ever prove to be an effectual means I dare say for all that