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A34470 A blow at the serpent; or a gentle answer from Madiston prison to appease wrath advancing it self against truth and peace at Rochester. Together with the work of four daies disputes, in the Cathedral of Rochester, in the Countie of Kent, betweene several ministers, and Richard Coppin, preacher there, to whom very many people frequentlie came to hear, and much rejoyced at the way of truth and peace he preached, at the same whereof the ministers in those parts began to ring in their pulpits, saying, this man blasphemeth, ... Whereupon arose the disputes, at which were some magistrates, some officers, and souldiers, peaceable and well-minded, and very many people from all parts adjacent, before whom the truth was confirm'd and maintained. The whole matter written by the hearers, on both sides. Published for the confirmation and comfort of all such as receive the truth in the love of it. By Richard Coppin, now in Maidston Prison for the witness of Jesus. Twenty five articles since brought against him by the ministers, as blasphemie, and his answers to them, how he was Coppin, Richard, fl. 1646-1659. 1656 (1656) Wing C6094; ESTC R215454 85,329 113

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and such a one enjoyes it as possessingly and the other doth not and that makes it more especially unto him and so he have a greater assurance then the other hath because he trusteth in the living God who is the Saviour of all men of which all he knows himself one and so believes it upon a sure ground till which time I could not assure my self Article 15. That if there be but one man of all that ever were or shall be in the world damned no man can assuredly know that his soule shall be saved Answer And if Christ were not the Saviour of all men and I hear but of one man that shall be damned to all eternity and this man not yet pointed out as knowne from all the rest to be the man and Christ come to save the worst of sinners what full assurance then can I have of my savlation more then another of his salvation but some doubts and some feares will arise within me who shall be that man that is to be damned till I see a pardon come forth for all men to be saved and then I knowing my selfe to be one of that all cannot but have a good assurance of my owne salvation this axperince-in me doth witness as also saith the Scripture that I can no more judge any man to eternall damnation but that which is not of God in man Therefore who art thou O man that judgest another and dost the same things thy selfe for wherein thou judgest another thou condemnest thy selfe for thou that judgest dost the same things and who hath made thee to differ from another that thou shouldest be saved and not another wherefore think not better of thy selfe then of another for there is no respect of Persons with God that is more accepted with him but only Christ in all and all in Christ for he hath concluded all men as men under sin and unbeliefe that he might have mercy upon all and then O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God how unsearchable are his judgment and his wayes past finding out for who hath knowne the mind of God or who hath bin his councellor for of him and to him and through him are all things to whom be glory for ever Article 16. That the unpardonable sin of the Holy Ghost is nothing but flesh opposing and quenching the spirit till Christ come into the soule and destroy the flesh Answer To explaine this the Holy Ghost is the spirit the sin against the Holy Ghost is the opposition and war that is made against the Spirit by the fleshly carnall mind for the flesh wa 〈…〉 against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh and these are contrary one to another in man and so saith Paul I find saith he a warring within me that when I would do good evill is present with me 't is no more I that do it but sin that dwelleth in me for with my mind I serve the Law of God though with my flesh the Law of sin and this flesh opposing the Spirit is for a time in every man as a man of sin ruling in them till Christ come into the soule and destroy it which shall never be forgiven in this world nor in the world to come but is the only enemy that God will destroy in man Article 17. That when a soule is once regenerated then he is free from all sin that the flesh is quite destroyed Answer Regeneration is a new birth and the new birth is to be in Christ a new creature free from all sin without which man nor his prayers nor any thing is accepted of God for he heareth not sinners and without holiness no man shall see God but if the Son shall make you free then are you free indeed and him that is in Christ is a new creature old things are past away and all things are become new by the washing of Regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost Article 18. That no man shall receive any good by any good that he doth that it shall no way further his salvation Answer If man by his good works could merit heaven then salvation by Christ were made void or if any thing of man which is imperfect were to joyn with Christ in the work of salvation then mans salvation were not all by Christ but by man and would so far be imperfect and then man might boast and say he was able to help Christ to save his soul and so robing Christ of his work would rob him of his honor also but not of works saith Paul lest any man should boast neither by any other name under heaven but by Jesus Christ is any man saved that no flesh might glory in his presence but he that glories let him glory in the Lord that his soul was saved by the Lord Article 19. That no man shall receive any hinderance by any sin he committeth that shall do him no hurt Answer If any sin of man should hinder mans salvation by Christ then that sin would appear to be too strong for Christ to conquer and then no man could be saved for there is no sin but every man is guiltie of for all have sinned and all are guiltie but this I say with the Prophet Elihu that his bad works may hurt a man as he is and his good works may profit men but shall no way profit the salvation of his soul But because good works are good to men therefore would I have all men observe and do them doing unto others as they would others should do to them which is the sum of the whole Law for he that loveth God will also love his Brother Article 20. That our Lord Jesus Christ is the three persons in the Trinity God blessed Father Son and Holy Spirit and that the blessed Trinity is but three manifestation of God Answer The blessed Trinity Father Son and Spirit I acknowledg the Father as begeting the Son as begotten and the Holy Ghost uniting as being the compleat union of all three together in one spirit where they all meet as copartners together in one work that what the one is the other is the same and what the one doth the other doth the same as all but one God manifesting himself under various appearances of Father Son and Spirit to the creatures apprehension Article 21. That our Lord Jesus Christ himself was the Leper that was cleansed and returned to give thanks Luke 17. 15. Answer I say not that Christ was a Leper but there were ten Lepers that were cleansed and one of them when he saw himself cleansed turned back and glorified God and Christ saith Where are the other nine There are not found that returned to give glory to God save this stranger and who was this stranger but Christ in that man that gave glory to God for the work done as Christ saith Father I have glorified thee on
take it up again And this Commandment he received from his Father to do for us Now he that must take on him the sins of the people must take the curse on him also therefore was Christ accursed for us Gal. 3. 13. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the Law by being made a curse for us as it is written Cursed is every one that hangeth on a Tree but Christ his own self did bear our sins in his bodie on the Tree And friends I call you all friends though enemies and brethren though strangers for I hate no man but do love all as Christ my Elder Brother hath given me Commandment and shewed me an example that I should follow his steps I say there is no believer now but once he was an unbeliever and there is no sheep now but once he was a Goat at Gods left hand and under the curse till Jesus Christ the blessed Redeemer freed you from it and blessed you by it at his Fathers right hand Now while man is an unbeliever the Scripture saith he is condemned He that believeth not is condemned already so that the best of us all are in a prison in the state of condemnation and in hell under the curse one as well as another till Christ the Lord Jesus doth free us from it by breaking open the prison doors and puting himself into this prison hell and condemnation with us standing there in our steeds to receive that curse and condemnation which by the law is due to us without him and so deliver us and himselfe together as one man according to those Scriptures he was himselfe taken from prison and from judgment he was given for a Covenant of the people and for a light to the Gentiles to open the blind eyes to bring out the prisoners from the prison and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house that they might be where he is all comes out with him he leaves not one behinde but delivers himself and them together and then shuts up the doors and locks in the divell and so keeps the keyes of death and of hell saying Feare not Roswell Christ was never in hell Coppin Sir will you denie your own Faith which you have so often confessed in your Creed that he descended into hell Robison What do Christ goe into hell to turne us out before him and then come out himselfe Coppin As we are first in hell before we are in Heaven so he comes into hell to us and with himselfe brings us out and carries us to Heaven according to those Scriptures He hath raised us up together and made us sit together in Heavenly places in Christ Jesus and together with my dead body shall they arise and I saith he if I be lifted up will draw all men unto me But take this with you also as a bone to pick against the next time that as you are unbelievers before you are believers so are you to be damned before you are saved and in hell before you are in Heaven for the way to Heaven is through hell He that hath an eare to heare let him heare DISPUTE II. The Heads of a Dispute between Daniel French Minister of Stroud and Richard Coppin on the nineth of December being the Sabbath Day after Morning Sermon in the Cathedral of the City of Rochester Mr. Coppin coming into the place to Preach his Morning Sermon and Mr. French having left his own Congregation and being there did before Sermon propound to Mr. Coppin a question as follows FRench Sir on Munday last in the Dispute with Mr. Rosewell I did hear somthing from you which did seem very strange to me and I came now desiring to be satisfied Coppin The Truth is alwayes a stranger to those that are strangers to that and know it not till the Truth hath made them free For I was a stranger saith Christ and ye took me not in and 't is the Truth it self that must satisfie you and not I. French I desire to speak somthing to the people after you have done Coppin Truly the time will be but short after I have done therefore if you have any thing to say to me you had better take a day to your self some other time and I shall be willing to give you a meeting provided it be in love and for edification to the people French I professe before the Lord I have no hatred nor prejudice to any mans person but their opinions Coppin Then it seems those opinions which are not one with yours you hate and judg to be wrong and your own only to be right but I must tell you I am not of your spirit for I hate no mans person nor opinion but am reconciled to all men in their several judgements and opinions leaving them all to the Lord knowing that the manifestations of God are various to some more and to some lesse but as every man hath received Jesus Christ the Lord so let him walk speak and act standing still in that light which the Lord hath enlightened him withal and be content with his wages till the Lord shall give him more French 'T was never well with us since there were such new lights Coppin 'T is true that which you call new light will out-shine your old lights and yet no new light but the same that ever was so he proceeded to Morning Sermon CHAP. IIII. Christ no sinner mans nature redeemed what 's meant by the grave death hell and hell fire how man is in it and how long FRench Having some opportunity I shall declare semthing among you to shew you the errors of this man Mr. Coppin how he hath abused Jesus Christ by saying he took on him our sinful nature as hath been delivered from his own mouth in the last Dispute and now which I shall shew to the contrary from severall Scriptures that there was no sin in him and endeavour to undeceive you of this error first in Heb. 7. 26. For such an High-Priest became us who is holy harmlesse undefiled separate from sinners and made higher then the heavens Here you may see he had no sin so in 1 Pet. 1. 19. We are redeemed with the precious Blood of Christ as of a Lamb without blemish and without spot still you see he was without sin verse 23. Being born again not of corruptible seed but of incorruptible by the Word of God therefore there was no sin in the nature of Christ as appears by these Scriptures and I think I have given you Scriptures enough now and yet I have more Coppin But Sir let me answer this first you said you came for satisfaction and not to preach therefore pray let me answer as to the holinesse of Christ himself as he is in himselfe the Son and Seed of God so he is holy and without sin but our nature which he was to offer up and make holy was sinful and unholy before he took it
in due time it shall be manifest to all for there is but the want of faith in men to believe it which is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen by which all men are assured and draw nigh unto God which in due time shall be manifest to all men Now if this Spirit of Faith and faithfull Witness the Lord Jesus thus manifest in men for the salvation of their soules will not keep men from licentiousness there is nothing will for which seriously consider the Apostles words in Titus 2. 11. We were wicked and sinfull saith he as well as others but when the grace of God which bringeth salvation to all men had appeared to us teaching us that denying all ungodliness and worldly lusts we should live soberly and righteously in this present world speaking evill of no man for we our selves also were sometimes foolish disobedient deceived serving divers lusts and pleasures living in malice and envie and hating one another as well as others but after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to his mercie he saved us how why by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the holy Ghost and so saith Peter see that you lay aside all malice guile and hipocrisies and envyings and evill speakings and as new born babes desire the sincere milk of the Word that you may grow thereby if so be you hav● tasted that the Lord is gracions CHAP. XVII The complaint of Ministers to Magistrates against those that Preach without Orders from the Vniversitie the dutie of Magistrates not to forbid any but to reprove such complainers AGaine you say you would have men learn and study the Scriptures but not to Preach of them but sure that is for feare your trade of Preaching should goe downe and you to keep it up will cry out to the Magistrates to forbid and suppress all that declare any thing of the love of God to their soules and have not the like Orders from the Universities as you have concerning which read Numbers 11. there was Moses a Magistrate of the Lord and the Lord commanded him to gather unto him seventy of the men of Israell to assist him in the work of the Lord and to bring them up to the Tabernacle where they should receive the Spirit and to prophesie Now there were two men which did not come up to the Tabernacle as the rest did but tarried behind in the Camp and there received the Spirit and Prophesied whereof complaint was made to Moses of them saying Eldad and Medad doe Prophesie in the Camp my Lord Moses forbid them why saith Moses enviest thou for my sake I would all the Lords people were Prophets and that he would powre his Spirit upon them though they came not up to the Tabernacle yet having the Spirit let them prophesie So now if any man do declare any thing of God which hath not been at the Universitie woe he is immediatelie cried out against to the Magistrate as a blasphemer to be forbidden but God is not tied to place nor persons nor learning it is not your your Schools will make you Ministers of the Gospel no it is the Spirit of the Lord that doth make a Minister of the Gospel and it was the Spirit that made Christ a Minister for saith he the Spirit of the Lord is upon me therefore will I preach glad tydings of the Gospel and as everie man hath received the Spirit so let them administer without any forbiding Now you Magistrates you are set up for the punishment of evill doers and for the praise of them that doe well but are you like that godly man Moses a Magistrate of the Lords to discern the good which is to be praised and the evill which is to be punished and so to doe justice and righteousness to countenance Godliness if you were you would fordid none to Preach that speaks their experience of the things of God but would incourage all men and wish all the Lords people were Prophets and that he would powre his Spirit upon them and so like Moses reprove any that would have them forbid and then you would appear to be Magistrates of the Lord as Moses was and to doe the worke of God as Moses did for which the Lord instruct you all CHAP. XVIII A childs condition is Christs Kingdome their coming to him his hand laid on them they blessed by him of his arm to all men and when AGaine there is one thing more which you have said and that I must open That is you say that thousands of Children are now in hell for their originall sin which is a trouble to many people to heare such things asserted therefore what the Lord may discover to me at this time concerning this thing that will I declare to you That when the Lord Jesus would declare unto his disciples who were subjects fit for the Kingdome of God he takes a little child in his armes and sets him in the midst of them saying except you become as this child you cannot enter into the Kingdome of Heaven that is to become a child in the knowledg of things below Christ to know no more sin nor divell then a child doth and to be as meek and as humble as innocent and as harmlesse as a child is now Christ tells them they must be borne againe into a childs condition that is to be little even as nothing in their owne wisdome and not to know themselves able to act themselves forth in any thing neither in thought word or deed but in all things to be acted by another even God and this Spirituall birth Nicodemus a Ruler among the Jewes was ignorant of saying unto Christ How can a man be borne when he is old can he enter the second time into his Mothers womb and be born no saith Christ not so but except you be borne of the Spirit of Regeneration and the new birth and so become as a little child to know no evill sin nor divell nor any thing of selfe wisdome knowledge or righteousness which he was concieved in by that Mother the flesh or carnall mind but to be as one dead in all old things borne by that Mother and liveing againe in a new life to behold all things made new in him and Christ knew that a little child was the fitest subject he could compare a soule unto whereby he might know himselfe a subject fit for the Kingdome of God free from all sin Againe there were some that brought little children unto Christ that he should touch them and his Disciples reproved those that brought them and Christ said suffer little children to come unto me and forbid them not for of such is the Kingdome of God this Scripture I know is brought by the Ministers to prove the baptizeing of children with water though I denie