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A30532 Many strong reasons confounded, which would hinder any reasonable man from being a Quaker and offences taken out of the way, but particularly foure and twenty arguments overturned and confuted, put forth and sent into the world by Richard Baxter, a professed minister, but a frequent contenter against the ways of God ... / ... by ... E.B. Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. 1657 (1657) Wing B6011A; ESTC R14497 21,411 23

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MANY Strong Reasons CONFOUNDED Which would hinder any reasonable Man from being A QUAKER And Offences taken out of the Way But particularly Foure and twenty Arguments Over turned and Confuted Put forth and sent into the World by Richard Baxter a professed Minister but a frequent Contender against the wayes of God And this is an Answer to a sheet of his cryed up and down the streets in London as some excellent piece But is proved to be full of Lies Slanders and false Reproaches against an innocent People and this is sent forth in the pursuit thereof that people may not be deceived with every lying Monster vvhich is brought forth to publike view but first let all things be tryed and onely that which is good held fast And this is for the satisfaction of honest people by a friend E. B. London Printed for Thomas Simmons at the Bull and Mouth neer Aldersgate 1657. MANY STRONG REASONS CONFOUNDED Which would hinder any reasonable man from being a QUAKER AND Offences taken out of the way c. HOW long shall it be ere the wickednesse of the wicked come to an end and the measure of this generations iniquity be fulfilled who rush into iniquity as a Horse into the battel and who hastens to fill up the largest measure of iniquity of any generation that ever went before Is it not plain and manifest to all people that have but an eye to see How doth the wicked run on greedily drinking up iniquity as an Oxe drinks water How doth the Archers of Babylon shoot at the innocent and makes the harmless their prey But this is but fot a moment the end thereof is nigh and because the Devils time is but short therefore he is come down in rage and hath filled the hearts of many people with raving envie and despite against the Lord and his people whom the Lord is a gathering out of the mouths of all their enemies and the Serpents seed it bruiseth the heele but its head is deadly wounded by the seed of God And whereas many hath set themselves in opposition against the Lord and their work is become a stinck and a proverb to be laughed at in generations to come yet must not the wicked cease their wickedness til their measure be perfectly accomplished And whereas Richard Baxter a professed Minister in Worcestershire known to many by his fruits to be a corrupt Tree which brings not forth good fruit who sends out of his study lyes and false reports and vain arguments to blind the eyes of people that they may not see the truth and hath written once and again against the people of God which he in scorn calls Quakers some of which writings hath been sufficiently answered and his shame and folly seen openly by all people yet he as a man not weary of wickednesse hath sent forth a Paper which he calls A Sheet against the Quakers wherein what was wanting of wickednesse in his former is now fully brought forth out of his vessel a malicious heart which cannot contain within it self its rage and fury and madness against the innocent but needs must his folly break forth openly that all men may see it And in this his foolish paper he hath twenty four reasons which he saith Moves him to conceive that no Christian or reasonable man should be a Quaker or approve of or excuse their way now his Reasons we shall try But first of all I say It had been more honest for him to have made a sufficient Reply to have defended his former works and cleared himself of his former lyes and slanders truly charged against him then to have past that slightly and begin a-new to revile for that Book which he often mentions and boasts of callled The Quakers Catechism was sufficiently answered and his folly laid open by a friend to the truth in a Book called An Answer to the Quakers Catechism to which Book he never equally replyed to this day which had been more honest to have cleared himself from what is truly charged against him in that answer then to have begun afresh to reproach and speak wickednesse and this all people may consider of 1. His first Reason which he brings forth against the Quakers is That they deny and revile the Churches and Ministers of Christ and yet saith he cannot tel indeed of any Church or Ministry which is to be preferred before those that they do despise Answ. To this I answer That is utterly false for we do not deny the Church and Ministers of Christ nor do revile them or any others whatsoever but speaks the truth in nakedness to all people The Church of Christ we own and are of it which are gathered out of the world through the preaching of the Gospel and seperated from the world and all its works and wayes which are evil and are joined to Christ the Head in the Spirit and one to another as members of Christ and these are born again and are redeemed out of the world and are of the kingdom of Christ and of his Church and members of his body and this we own to be a Church and are of it who hath no fellowship with darknesse nor no part with the practice of the workes of darknesse And the Ministers of Christ we own who have received the gift of the Ministry by the Holy Ghost and exerciseth that gift by the Holy Ghost whose call is from God and their work of God and their end alone his glory such we own to be Ministers of Christ and doth not revile or deny as he falsly saith such a Church and such Ministers of Christ but this we do and without offence to God too we do deny and bear our witness against such a people who professeth themselves to be a Church and yet are in the pride in the wickedness and in the evil of this world and not redeemed clensed and seperated from the works and iniquities thereof such we do reprove for their hypocrisie even all them that owns a title to a Church because they were sprinkled when they were Infants and hath not another ground and such who professeth themselves Ministers of Christ who hath not received their Ministry by the gift of the Holy Ghost neither are lead by the Spirit of Christ but are such as Christ and the Apostles declared against such we cannot own to be Ministers of Jesus Christ but doth reprove them and deny them even such who preacheth for hire and hath gifts and rewardt for preaching and set-places for so much a yeer these we disown and yet doth not offend God herein And this in honesty I do shew to all people what that professed Church and professed Ministry is which we do deny and what that Church and Ministry is which we do set up to be preferred which is a right Ministry and a right Church And thus his reasonless reason is overturned and confounded and is found to be no sufficient reason wherefore a man should
duly examine it will be he that wil be sound preaching another Gospel whose practice is found in many things contrary to them who were Ministers of the true Gospel and so the curse pronounced by the Apostle will fall upon him and not upon us in the day of judgement 21. His one and twentieth Reason Saith he The Quakers themselves renounce in words the Ranters and Papists as a deluded sort Ans. To which I answer and say Yea not onely in words but in lives also we utterly abhor the Ranters and Papists both in profession and practice and do know that Richard Baxter is of the same spirit though differing in words But saith he The Ranters and Drunkards cryes out against the same Ministers and same exercise and godly people as the Quakers do To which I answer What the Ranters and Drunkards may do in their wickedness and unclean spirits is one thing and what we do in the fear of God and tender love to peoples souls is another thing but how uncharitable is this man in his judgement Let us try him as if I should say The Ranters and drunkards and prophane and all ungodly people they are our enemies and doth oppose gain say the way of God and the people called Quakers and they beat them and reproach them and slander them and doth much cruelty unto them and thus doth Richard Baxter of Kedderminster he reviles them and reproaches them and belyes them and therefore he is one with the Ranters and drunkards and prophane people and he holds part of the Papists Ranters and drunkards doctrine and practice And thus he is judged with his own Rule according as he hath judged us by the same Rule and now say I as well as he of us Let any man judge that hath not for sworn all wit and reason whether it is likely the Holy Ghost will inspire Richard Baxter and a company of Priests of England to acquaint them with the same Points Doctrines and Practices which the Papists Ranters Drunkards and all prophane people exercise themselves in for as all they are enemies to the Quakers so is he and his company And farther I ask him Whether the same things be heavenly in Rich. Baxter and his company which be hellish in the Ranters and Drunkards And whether Richard Baxter hath not condemned himself and the Priests of England in condemning the Papists and Ranters and Drunkards and prophane people in acting the very same things to wit speaking against reproaching reviling and slandering and backbiting an innocent people of God called Quakers 22. His two and twentieth Reason And saith he If I have any reason to be weary of the Christian Catholike reformed Religion what reason have I to turn Quaker more then to any other Sect Why saith he how do they prove they are more in the right then any other c. Answ. To all this I answer This is according to his knowledge who sees no difference between good and evil between such as serveth God and such as serves him not and how can this man be a Teacher of others that is so blind himself The true Christian Religion he is out of and in a Sect whose fruits are as bad as the Papists or Familists or any others for I believe not the worst of Sects could have brought forth more lyes and slanders and scoffing words in one sheet of paper then he hath done in this which now I deal withall And as for our proof that we are in the right way to every man that hath an eye to see an ear to hear and an heart to conceive it 's easie to be proved and such are satisfied but as for unbelievers and persecutors such as himself they must hear and see and not perceive and understand 23. His three and twentieth Reason Saith he The way by which they prevail is not producing any evidence for they renounce that and offers all from the Authority of the spirit within them c. Ans. The way by which we prevail is by the spirit of the Lord which is within us and that was the way whereby all the Ministers of Christ ever prevailed by the authority of that But yet this is false we do not deny to produce Evidences but is sufficiently able and hath done it to produce Evidences out of the Scriptures to prove all things which we professe or practice for Religion But saith he They must prove their Commission by Divine miracles before any reasonable man can believe it c. Many that fear God and are in the purest Reason hath believed us already and doth see the mighty wonders of God brought to passe and it cannot be believed by Richard Baxter no more then Christ was believed of the Pharisees in whom the mighty power of God was made manifest for though he did miracles yet that generation could not believe them And he tells of some that said he was blind so might they well do and not lye his blindnesse is made manifest at large And saith he But can I see the Witnesse in them that saith they have the witnesse in themselves Nay because thou art an unbeliever thou canst not but if thou wert a believer in Christ thou wouldst feele the same testimony in the Brethren but by thee we are not known and therefore by thee are falsly judged for no other testimony do we give or hold forth but the same which the Apostles did which we have received from Christ as the Apostles did not by any Authority of our own though he falsly say it but by the Authority of the power of God we shall not much seek or beg our Adversaries belief for to God are we known and one to another in the spirit and not to the wisdom of the world which is devillish and knows not nor receives not the things which be eternal His last Reason They teach but such like Doctrines and takes the like course as many of the Hereticks did and saith he Shall we run our selves into the fire which hath consumed such Heresie through former Ages c. Ans. To this I answer The Doctrines of the Gospel we hold forth and teach to all people and in that way which is called Heresie worship we indeed the God of our fathers but it is but such as this man with whom I deal who is a false witnesse-bearer and a reproacher and the company of Hireling-Teachers and such like that doth call the way of God Heresie And though he say presently after the Apostles dayes such Hereticks arose and troubled the Church To which I answer Nay it is just such like as himself who appeared in the Apostles dayes who taught for filthy lucre and for gain made merchandize of souls and it was such lying Prophets which Iohn saw the whole world run after in his dayes and they were them that troubled the Church even such as were heady and high minded and proud and covetous men and such as are false Accusers