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A27216 The coppie of a letter sent to a gentlevvoman one of the separation in Holland in answer to a letter of hers, written to her sister, being a member of one of those societies, commonly (though falsely) called the new Anabaptists in London, wherein are briefly set down their reasons against the baptizing of infants : together with the grounds of their denyall, of sprinkling water upon the face in any name whatsoever, to be baptisme : and them of the separation justly charged for not walking answerable to their owne principles / by R.B. R. B. 1642 (1642) Wing B163; ESTC R38562 7,300 12

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Idoll and lying signe and let all men judge whether the being under an Idoll and lying signe will enable persons to communicate true Baptisme Lastly the Scriptures and Arguments produced by the Separation and others for the baptizing Infants we shall briefly summe up and answer and then will leave o●● grounds with our selves to your judicious censure The grand argument of theirs in confidence of the strength of which they insult like unto Goliah against the Armies of Israel is to all those that are within the Covenant doth the Seale belong but all the children of beleeving Parents are within the Covenant Ergo. Here wee humbly aske what covenant it is they intend if the old Covenant to the old Covenants Seales we send them if they say they are all within the New Covenant we must needs say they speak falsely if God bee true who is so for Abraham Isaac and Iacob were beleevers by the Scriptures owne Testimony and yet of their children God testifieth though the number of them be as the sand yet but a remnant of them shall be saved Rom. 9.27 And of Isaacks children God loved one and hated the other Rom. 9.13 And Gods New Covenant was not made with Ismael Gen. 17.19.20 Now if the New Covenant be as Ieremiah reporteth Ier. 31 32 33 34. and as is expressed Heb. 8.8 and 10.15 16 17. Then God who keepeth Covenant must needs to be true in what he promiseth write his Lawes in the hearts of all beleevers children they being within his Covenant and except that ●●thlesse doctrine may be allowed for truth that men may fall from grace beleevers children must all be saved which yet the Scripture denieth Rom. 9.27 Isaiah 1.9 and Rom. 9.29 They further affirme that the covenant made with Abraham and with his seed is made with the faithfull and their seed to speake in their own words in that Abraham was but faithfull and they thinke so of themselves foolishly erring in not considering that they if they be within the Covenant come in not in the place of Abraham but in the place of his seed and so are not Abrahams Fathers of the faithfull there being but one that ever had that Priviledge now they being themselvs but seed to Abraham and the promise reaching but to his seed and not to his seeds seed their Children are manifestly excluded the promise or Covenant unlesse they become Abrahams seed and the Apostle teacheth us but one way by which the Gentiles doe become the seed of Abraham Gal. 3. and if yee be Christs then are yee Abrahams seed and Heires according to the promise so likewise Rom. 9.8 and they that are Christs have crucified the flesh with the passions and lusts Gal. 5.24 and Luk. 19.9 Lastly the Lord teacheth us how to understand the seed of Abraham to whom the promises were made that were made to Abraham and to his seed in Gal. 3.16 now to Abraham and to his seed were the promises made he saith not and to seeds as to many but as of one and to thy seed which is Christ wherefore unlesse these persons would runne into manifest wickednesse wee might say Blasphemie against God in making themselves Fathers of Christ their greatest honour lying in their being Children unto him if they be so the promise cannot descend through them unto any person The promise being but to Abraham and to his seed which is Christ and to those that are Christs seed which to be is more then to be seed to them Isa 53.10 compared with Rom. 9.8 and Gal. 3. 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Their next hould is that of the Apostle Act. 2.39 for the promise is to you and to your Children and to all that are a farre off even as many as the Lord our God shall call whence they conclude believers to be within the Covenant with their seed But we here likewise expostulate in three particulars First What that promise is Secondly who these people were to whom it was proposed 〈◊〉 the proposall of it Thirdly what is the extent and Latitude of that promise the promise as is most plaine in ver 17. and 33. of that Chapter is the guist of the holy Spirit which God at this time powred out upon the Disciples and Peter in his speech houlds out no more Repent saith he and be baptized every one of you for the remission of sins and yee shall receive the guift of the Holy Ghost Secondly it is no lesse plaine manifest that the persons to whom Peter so speaketh were in his Judgement as yet converts For all that he heard from them was what shall we doe and we find the Jaylor went further in his expressions and yet Paul bids him believe in the Lord Iesus intimating that he not yet believed though he had made a further inquiry after Salvation then these men The last thing proposed was the extent of that promise what is might be the place it selfe we thinke in that particular is cleare enough for Peters exclamation must be considered even to as many as the Lord our God shall call for to no more of them nor of their children nor of them a farre off then the Lord our God shall call doth Peter in any wise apply that promise If you object that he applyeth the promise there to no more of them a farre off then the Lord our God shall call but he applyeth it to them and to their Children absolutely without the reservation of being called of God c. Wee answer that if we take these at this time to be unbelievers as the truth is then who sees not the consequence if we take them to be believers then all believers Children must have the Holy Ghost though they never be called which who will owne Let them be believers or unbelievers it matters not much in the question in hand for they were Iewes and therefore were in opposition to the Gentiles who are there by your owne Judgement spoken of as a farre off and to those a farre off as the Objection yeeldeth yea and that text also belongs not the promise but upon being called and thus are your children by your owne graunt excluded the promise till they be called The next hold they have is in 1 Cor. 7.14 which many strike at we wish you to consider that the same holinesse of which the Child partaketh is the unbelieving wife during her Infidelity a partaker of and whether that be reasonably concluded that thence she may be Baptized which yet will hold as well as the other we leave to you The opinions of those that deny election that hold free will and falling from grace c. Wee protest against and do abhorre but because we write a letter and not a Book wee must conclude as wee do wishing peace to all that obey God onely Amen FINIS