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A02912 An advertisement or admonition, unto the congregations, vvhich men call the new fryelers in the lowe Countries, wrirten [sic] in Dutche. And publiched in Englis. VVherein is handled 4. principall pointes of religion. 1. That Christ tooke his flesh of Marie, haveing a true earthly, naturall bodie, 2. That a Sabbath or day of rest, is to be kept holy everie first day of the weeke. 3. That ther is no succession, nor privilege to persons in the holie thinges. 4. That magistracie, being an holy ordinance of God, debarreth not anie from being of the Church of Christ. After these followes certen demandes concerning Gods decree of salvation and condemnation. Helwys, Thomas, 1550?-1616? 1611 (1611) STC 13053; ESTC S116912 57,734 190

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and personall presence and send precepts rules by the aucthoritie of your Office and wee and all that ●eare god will cast away your aucthoritie and office and the aucthoritie and office of all others heerein with the precepts and rules made by the power thereof and wee will onely submitt our selves to the office and aucthoritie of Th-appostles and to the precepts and rules which they have sett downe by the power of their office wch power ād office they received frō god not from men nor by man gal ● 1. Thus may you and all men see that what people chu●ch or congregation soever do challenge vnto thē selves anie previlige or prefermēt in keeping the holy thinges that they onely are to dispose of the to others such previlige ād prefermēt must needs be proper to their persōs onely and frō all such previlige to their persōs as wee have before shewed Paul and ●●phas and Appollos disclaymes although they were the ministers by whome the corinthians beleeved And will you or anie people or church challēge privilege and prefermēt to your persons over al men although by your ministrie they beleeve not and all your warrant for this is because you say you are the first If you wil yet stād for privilege by your beeing fi●●● as you Ymagine heare what our saviour christ saith vnto you for your instruction Mat. 2● 1.14 ●rend I do thee no wronge take that which is thyne owne and go thy way I will give 〈…〉 much as vnto thee these men thought because they came first into the veinya●d they should have had more wage them they that came last although there wages were agreed vpon so you thinke you are worthie of more aucthoritie them the last because you suppose you were the first but our Saviour christ teacheth you in th●● place that the honor reward in all one to the last as to the first And take heed least by this your sinne if you had no other the lord passe this sentence against you and say vnto you The first shal be last To dravve to an end in this point that the gospell is come vnto all the vvorld alike coll 1.6 to god is no accepter of persons And therefore all the world ought to receive it beleeve it obey it a like so doeing all have free libertie to enioy and administer in all the holy ordinances a like for of vvhomesoever the Lord requires obedience of all his ordinances they obeying he giveth to them the privilege benifitt of all his ordinances Then vvhat soever people receives beleeves obeyes the gospell as truely as another people do they have as much privilege libertie to einoy the gospel all the ordinances thereof as anie other people For god is no accepter of persons but in every Nation he that feareth him vvorketh righteousnes is accepted vvith him Act. 10.34.35 And if anie shall novv feare god fast pray as Cornelius did their praiers almes shall come vp in remembrance before god the spirit of god shall direct them to heare vvhat Peter saith to be directed by Peter the rest of Th●appostles not bid them send for you or go to you or anie people to make them perfect for the word of God is all sufficient to teath them instruct them make them perfect to everie good vvorke as is shevved 2. tim 3.16.17 The vvhole scriptures as given by inspiration of god is profitable to teath to convine to correct to instruct in righteousnes that the man of god may be absolute being made perfect vnto all good workes Heere may you all learne vnderstand that the vvord of god is all sufficient of it self to make the people of god absolute perfect vnto every good worke to pray to preach to Baptize to breake bread to administer in all the holy thinges to vvalke in all the vvaies of god vvithout the helpe of of anie man or men And if anie should be so vnvvise as thinke that the meaning of the holy ghost heere is onely to make a man perfect vnto everie good worke in himself it were great weaknes seeing that the holy ghost testifieth That the mainfestation of the spirit is geven to every man to profit withall 1. Cor 12.7 1. Pet. 4.10 Lett everie man as he hath received the gift Minister the same to another as good disposers of the manifold graces of god To make this plaine that he that runnes may read it vnderstād it that Christ and al things are geven to every faithfull people although they be but two or three according to Christes owne wordes Mat. 18.20 Christ is there king Luk. 1.33 he is there Mediator Heb. 9.15 by whose blood they may be bould to enter into the holy place He is their high Priest who with one offering hath consecrated for ever thē that are sanctified Heb. 10.21.14 And made them kings And Preists vnto God Reuel 1.6 They are come vnto Mount Syon And to the citie of the liveing God the celestiall Ierusalem Heb. 12.22 whose gates are not shutt by day and there is no night there Reuel 21.25 wee conclude therefore with those heavenly wordes of comfort spoken by the holy ghost vnto everie faithfull man and men though but two or three Reuel 22.17 Both the spirit the Bride say come And let him that heareth say come and let him that is a thirst come and let who soever will take of the water of life freely VVe● with your selves now and let all mē consider whether this be not al sufficiēt Heere is the King the Mediator and the high Priest and the citie Ierusalem with hir gates open and the spirit of God bidding all come freely and all the faithfull made kings Preistes vnto God what should let the faithfull for entring in offering Sacrifices administring in all the holy thinges before the lord seeing they onely are appointed there vnto of God 1. Pet. 2.5 4.10 If the jewes cominge out of captivitie had had Salomon their kinge Moses their mediator Aaron their high Priest Ierusalem their citie with hir gates open their god bidding thē come who should have for bidden thē for bringing their sacrifices and administring before the lord freely If Pharoh should hinder thē all the plagues of Egipt should fall vpō him And though Tobiah should despise thē Sāballett cōspire against them yet they praying to their god their enimies shame should be turned vpon their owne heads and the lord should bring their counsells to nought Nehe. 4. And God hath promissed to do no lesse for his people now against his and their enimie the mistery of iniquitie the man of sinne for he will consume him with the spirit of his mouth abolish him with the brightnes of his coming 2. Thes 2.8 And he will smyte the earth with the ●od of his mouth and with the breath of his lipps shall he slay the
your owne shame and humble your selves repent of this error VVill you now with patience suffer vs a little to declare and try your best ground f●r these thinges wich wee have received from some that are greatest amongst you wee could repeat divers of your arguments and reasons but wee spare you wee will take your strongest ground which if wee can by the ground of truth shewe to be most vnsound wee will hope that they amongst you that seeke the lord in singlenes of hart will forsake it first knowe this and let all knowe that you have never bene able at anie time to produce anie one scripture and mainteyne it for your Succession although wee have had divers conferences with the cheifest amongst you but you reason by simelies and proportions of your owne devisings for the most part To come to your ground this is the some of that you saie That baptisme being once raised vp by one vnbaptized after none did neither was it lawfull for anie vnbaptized to baptize but all must have it from him so you follow on with your proportion from baptisme to the church and ministry And this is the waie you runne not knowing whether it leads jou wee praie you marke what the wiseman saith Pro. 4.19 The wa●e of the vngodlie is as the darknes they knowe not vvherin they shall fall even so little do you knovve into vvhat pitt you shall fall or vpon what rock you do cast your selves others in this your way first whereas you say that when baptisme was once by one vnbaptized raised vpon 〈◊〉 none after being vnbaptized did or might This John never taught you nor 〈◊〉 of Th●appostles where els you have learned it wee know not but you 〈…〉 in it and say it is the course order of the scriptures But wee require you with godly consideration to consider that heerein vnder a 〈◊〉 of binding to the due 〈◊〉 course of the matter manner of the scriptures which all oug● to follow you bring men to a due perticuler course● persōs vvhich none are bound to follow except anie da●ie say of themselves as that excellent vvorthy Appostle Paul said Phil. 2.17 Brethren be followers of me In short see if you would not be blynd vvhether you rule leades you if you wil tye the vvord ordinance of God vnto men Prist for baptisme you must bring man prophecied of as Iohn vvas that shalle able t● annsvvere as Iohn did to them that asked him vvha● art thou that vvee may giue aunswere to them tha● sent us vvhat saiest thou of thy self vvhy baptize● thou Iohn aunsweres I am hee that the Prophet Esaia● prophecied of c. I am the voice of him that crieth i● the vvildernes make straight the vvay of the lord Thus doth Io prove his office ministration to be lawfull and therefore might Ierusalem all Iudea of faith come faith to him to be baptized And this man vvas sent in the power of the spirit of Elias Therefore vvhatsoever he did in his ministry vvas true and vvarrantable so that men might safely joyne themselves to his baptisme Neither could men learne baptisme the maner thereof but of Iohn of them that received it from him vvil you now in the behalf of your first beginner aunswere us that aske vvho art thou that baptizest And saiest all men must have their baptisme from thee VVhat saiest thou of thy self VVhere is thy vvarrant VVil you aunswere vs as you have done that Io his example is your vvarrant VVee vvil aunswere you as vvee have often done wee also do the like by the same example And wee say farther that Iohns example and al the examples rules in the scriptures to be followed are generall and there is no one perticuler example or rule in all the new Testament wch is onely to be ymmitated observed by anie one man anie two Tenn twenty or a hundreth but what soeuer example in the scriptures anie one Man may followe and what soever rule or commaundmēt anie one man may observe kepe even so another man may followe the same example keepe the same comādmēt so of two men ten twenty or an hundreth And the like may be said of time place for there is no example or rule in the new Testament that is onely proper or appirteyning to anie one person or persons time or times place or places for the new testament is the Covenant of Grace which Christ hath purchased with his blood and there is no part of it can be abolished till he come to iudgment But if anie part of it anie example or rule in it be tyed to anie particuler person or persons time or times place or places these al may be abolished before Christes coming and therefore no part of the new testament can be particulerly tyed to anie one of them To shewe for example the question in hand If Iohns example of Baptizing being vnbaptized or rather not being of anie other first baptized If his example be a particuler exāple for one man onely as you say thē jt follovveth was it abolished when your predecessor had once begun to Baptize and so is that example now of no vse and it may be for anje thinge you knowe or ever can knowe that he was not the first and then if your rule be true how wretched is your case that challeng apreregative that by your owne rule apperteynes not vnto you and your best advantage is that you can but jmagine that you are the first and you would have vs jmaigine so with you VVell wee beseech you consider throughly this one point especially That the new testament nor anie part of it neither rule nor example doth perticulerly apperteyne to anie one person or serve onely for anie one person or serve onely for aine one time or place wch if you deny you abolish 〈◊〉 and the Testament purchased with his blood and makes it a carnall covenant for no spirituall covenant can eve● be abolished And if you confence that the new Testament and all the rules examples therein are generall to all Then may all men in all places whome the lord by his word and spirit shall stirr vp and indue with gifts and grace preach the go● and men being converted baptize them so is your Succession fallen to the groūd And therein have you no 〈◊〉 if you love the lord his holy truth for thereby shall the holy ordinances of Christ be sett at 〈◊〉 which you have kept in bond● to the great 〈…〉 of God and to the 〈…〉 divers soules whose blood wil be required 〈◊〉 your hands though they be perished in their owne sinnes if you repent not Moreover as wee have shewed before Iohn came in the power and spirit of Elias therefore what soever he did 〈◊〉 office and ministrie was warrantable and according to truth and he could not 〈◊〉 therein This no man that knovves anie truth vvill
Magistracie is sinne and that Magistrats by reason of their office and aucthoritie are sinners For although a Magistrat should manifest never so great faith and repentance yet these men will not yeild that he may be of the Church of Christ for except be cast away his Magistracie his saith and repentance is nothinge This vnholy Office vnsanctified and horitie doth vtterly overthrowe faith and repentance Let it not displease you that wee write thus plainely set if it be a holie Office and Sanctified aucthoritie then it cannot debarr anie frō being members of the church of Christ Thus may you all see that these among you which teach that Magistrats may not be of the Church And that it is not lawfull for them to punish evill doers with the sword nor by the sword to mainteyne warr for the preservation of their contries people these are they that privily bring in damnable heresies despising goverment and speaking evill of these that are in dignitie and aucthoritie in that hereby they seeke the vtter overthrowe of all goverment and acc●●pt aucthoritie and magistracie most vise because evill doers are punished thereby which you teach ought not to be but is sinne wickednes to be done And if all men in these Provinces vnder the goverment of the lords stats generall were of your mynds as you would have them where were goverment and magistrats were it not all in the dust Thus is it evident that you would have Kings Princes magistrats vtterly abolished Is not this heresie privily brought in vnder so great a shewe of godlines to destroy the holy ordinance of god and how manie of you vnderstand that this heresie leads you to accompt magistrats the ministers of god but as the devills are wee hope there are thōsands of you that have no such thoughs and yet it is most evident and cannot be avoyded but it is the end of your ground rule is not this privily brought in●●e not therefore deceived by f●re humble speaches for weep● feste vnto you that it by this that is already said it do not plainely appeare to anie indifferent reader that your ground leads you to this that all that magistrats do by vertue and power of their Office in punishing evill doers is sinne in them if anie thinke good to oppose wee wil by gods assistance make it most clere that all may see it that wincke not with their eies If therefore you like not to hold that magistrats are no otherwise the ministers of god but as the devils are then leave of also to hold that magistrats by reason of their magistracie are to be debarred out of the kingdome of Church of Christ And also it shall appeare that this your ground doth evidently overthrowe all Magistracie in the whole earth for if God would have all Kings Princes saved and come to the knowledg professiō of his truth which Th-appostle saith he would 1. Tim. 2.2.4 and you confesse the same and if they cannot come to the knowledg and profession of the truth except they cast away their Magistracie as you say and hold then must all Magistracie be cast away in the whole world for God would have all the Kings Princes and Magistrats vpō the earth to come to the knowledg of the truth be saved And if you like not to overthrowe all Magistrats and Magistracie in the earth then leave of to hold that they may not be of the kingdome church of Christ One other marke that shewes you are the false Teachers Th-appostle speakes of is that you stand in your owne conceite this wee have found in some of you and wee require wee may not now find it in you all for then shall it appeare evidently vnto all men Thus have wee in these pointes wherein wee differ from you spoken so farr as God hath enabled vs beseeching you all with singlenes of hart to try your standing in these thinges wee have spoken of and that you would not hold these opinions because you have held them long but that you will loveingly be advised to search the Scriptures and see whether you have any Good warrant thus to hold and professe and teach men so Approve your selves now vnto vs and vnto all men that you walke not blindly in the stepps of them that have gone before you but that you disire and endeavor to walke by true sanctified knowledg from the Scriptures and that you do not so much seeke to heape multitudes together and build vp great Churches and congregations as to gather together a holy people and biuld vp pure Churches in the profession of the true faith that you may be approved of God which neither you nor anie people can ever do except you first make sure that your doctrine be pure and vndefiled for though a people should never so much excell in all holines of conversation yea though they should excell in works in love service in faith patience that their workes should be more at laste thē at first Reuel 2.19 yet if they suffer false doctrine false teachers they are impure polluted churches for a little leavē leaveneth the whole lumpe Gal 5.9 the lord will not approve of them but will certenly come against thē with the sword of his mouth will remove their candle suckes out of there places This the Lord saith but who beleeves the word of the lord herein If Churches and Congregations did beleeve these words of the lord it would make them try their doctrines by the word of the lord go vpon sound grounds with knowledg vnderstanding from the word of truth being testified vnto them by the teaching of the spirit of God and not receive doctrines vpon the good opinion they have of their Teachers knowledg holines faithfulnes although they should excell in all these thinges neither would the people of God be carried away after anie doctrines by the stronge working affections of their mynds judging it to be the working of the spirit of God when it is nothinge but the spirit of their owne affections wherein they may have great motions and feelings with much zeale but not according to knowledg Rom. 10.2 Therefore are wee comaunded not to beleeve every spirit neither in our selves nor in others but to try first whether they be of God And hereby shall wee knowe the spirit of error If wee heare Gods wo●d 1. Ioh. 4.6 That is if wee search and try everie thinge thereby 〈◊〉 that Churches and congregations would thus looke vnto their waies and not hold errors for companie sake nor walke in by pathes by affections It is better to hold the truth alone to walke in the waies thereof co●rary to all the affections of the hart which is deceitfull but this is a hard doctrine who is able to heare it It is a pleasing thinge to walke in a profession of Religion with a multitude and especially it but some of the grounds of