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A81336 A collection of speeches made by Sir Edward Dering Knight and Baronet, in matter of religion. Some formerly printed, and divers more now added: all of them revised, for the vindication of his name, from weake and wilfull calumnie: and by the same Sir Edward Dering now subjected to publike view and censure, upon the urgent importunity of many, both gentlemen and divines. Dering, Edward, Sir, 1598-1644. 1642 (1642) Wing D1104; Thomason E197_1; ESTC R212668 73,941 173

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to inherit Glory in the Kingdome of Grace I feare that there are some Bishops do not know how sublime a vertue Christian humility is how full of Honour Every {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} must be {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} b Let the greatest be as the youngest that is the way to be a right Elder he must be {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} c as he that serveth that is the way to be ministred unto He must be {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} d a servant that he may be {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} a prime or chiefe He must be {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} e a Minister that he may be {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} a great one These antitheses our Saviour hath placed in the text upon the former occasion From hence may well be argued as a Corollary to these undoubted premisses that no Minister of the Gospell can lawfully assume hold or exercise that power which by the Lord of the Gospell is inhibited to his Ministers But our Saviour Jesus Christ Lord and onely head of his Church hath inhibited all temporall Lordship Magistracy and Dominion unto his servants in the lot of his Clergy Therefore no Minister of this Gospell may hold or exercise temporall Lordship or Dominion These words {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} c. It shall not be so among you doe so streighten the Bishops Miters that they sit uneasie on their heads to soften and as it were to line them for their ease the Bishops that are and would be all the papall and some of the Protestant doe quilt a gentler sence into these words then can beare analogy with the text They search the originall and pretend to finde another sence in our Saviours sentence The Text saies that the Lords of the Gentiles are called gracious Lords and {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} not tyrants but benefactors a title fit for the best Princes And yet this Text say they forbids not unto Clergy men the use and exercise of worldly titles power offices dignities Cōmands dominion Lordships c. but the abuse of them domineering tyrannizing with them not exercising and holding This they pretend to make firme out of the Greeke word {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} which they would have taken in the worst sence of exorbitant power even for Tyrannizing So then they would teach us that Lord it they may and Lord it they may not Lord it they may with all pompe state power Lord it they may not with pride vanity and oppression But I shall easily prove this interpretation to be inconstant with the scope and analogy of the Context Will they frame their argument from the verbe {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} to be a Lord or to rule or from the preposition {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} added and united thereunto neither will serve And if the pompe of our Prelates cannot avoyd the power of this text they are downe for ever Let me therefore scan it to the full First {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} to be a Lord or to have rule or Lordship is never properly taken in that ill sence which they would here create as having unjust and oppressive power It is derived from the usuall and most frequent title of our Lord and Saviour whom the holy Scripture so often saluteth {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Lord Here is no shadow for Tyranny The true sence of {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} is authoritatem habens one that hath authority being derived from {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} authority which is known to be approved and ordained by God himselfe from whom all lawfull authority is derived Marke how well this word is sensed through all Authours Demosthenes calleth the heads and chiefe of the City {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} A law in force and principall authority is called by Aeschines {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Galen calleth the chiefe and principall members of a mans body {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} yet one member doth not tyrannize over another Aristotle hath a {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} propria virtus that is a vertue properly or principally so called {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} is one that is Lord or master of himselfe not one that domineers over himselfe {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} b The Lords day {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} The Lords Supper c Saint Paul saith that d The law hath dominion over a man so long as he liveth he doth not meane that the Law is a Tyrant yet the word is {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} e Christ both died and rose and revived that he might e be Lord both of the living and the dead {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} From {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Lord commeth {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Lordship foure times mentioned by the holy Apostles but never taxed as a power tending to Tyranny but to be obeyed in them who duly are therewith invested as may be seen Eph. 1. 21. Coloss. 1. 16. 2 Pet. 2. 10. and Jude 8. Clearely then in {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} there is no print of usurpation or of oppressive and tyrannicall power If there be we are then well warned to beware of our Bishops who not onely owne the title {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} but expressely plead for it as the f Bishop of Exeter in his late Episcopacy Secondly {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} the very word used by Saint Matthew and Saint Marke in these before alledged Texts whereby our Saviour forbiddeth his Apostles to exercise Dominion or Lordship is a compounded word of two {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} and {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} That is to rule as one that hath authority I may render it to be or to behave ones selfe {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} juxta Secundum according as one that hath authority This preposition in words compounded hath sometimes a signification of his owne sometimes none at all as in {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} c. clearely it hath no speciall signification in this {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} much lesse a force so exegeticall as to draw the lawfull power of {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} into the exorbitancy of a Tyranny That it hath no force here is by this apparent for that the speech of our Saviour recorded by the holy Ghost in S. Matthew and S. Marke by {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} and by {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} are rendered by the same spirit in Saint Luke {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} and {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} So that plainely you must not pretend tyrannizing to be meant in
different sense of the word Episcopacy Sir It will be maintained upon good ground that Episcopacy is of divine right it will be maintained upon grounds as good that Episcopacy is not of divine right The ambiguity lyes in the word Episcopacy and it must be put into a certainty or else we shall runne our selves into a certaine Labyrinth of words lose the matter Three sorts of Episcopacy I have observed no more pardon me if I use expressions which you have received before They were his they are mine and Beza taught us both who gives them thus 1 Episcopatus Divinus 2 Episcopatus Humanus 3 Episcopatus Satanicus Others in milder language do keepe the same sence So you may please to say there is 1 Episcopus Pastor 2 Episcopus Praeses 3 Episcopus Princeps The first of these we all do reverence it is the ordinance of God You may safely write a Noli me tangere upon that you have the holy text to warrant you Noli tangere Christos meos The second also in its degree I doe highly honour it is of right venerable antiquity And for my part if I can find such Episcopacy among us I shall willingly submit thereto though it should prove but the ordinance of man Kings are no more themselves Yet being once invested obedience is due unto them by Divine right You have another Text for this also Submit your selves to every ordinance of man for the Lords sake So then the first is the ordinance of God to be obeyed for God The second although the ordinance of man yet whilest it stands so ordained is to be obeyed for God also The third Episcopacy hath too much of the Principality This I detest this I abhorre This is originally and really Antichristian Away with this if you please both Root and Branch If you will give me leave and patience I will as briefly as I can touch them over and explain my selfe First Episcopus Pastor This I say is of divine right Every Spirituall Shepherd is to have a flock and every congregation must have a Pastor to oversee that flock This is originall and of no lesse then Divine institution I need not prove this Bishop If there be any doubt of this Episcopacy look S. Paul in the twentieth of the Acts there he gives this charge Take heed saith he to the flock over which the holy Ghost hath made you Bishops I know well that this text is by some Expositors construed of other Bishops But how ever here are Bishops by divine right And mark you the holy Ghost God for ever to be blessed he first made Bishops The Originall is plain {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} S. Peter speakes by the same spirit Feed the flock of God saith he which is among you taking the Bishoprick thereof Our english reading is the oversight thereof both the same Overseers and Bishops differ no more then a Greeke name and an English severall sounds but the same sense The originall is {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} being Bishops thereof nothing can be more plaine Now Sir this Episcopacy we shall not we must not we dare not remove This is that Bishop of whom the most ancient Ignatius thus Episcopo subjecti estote velut Domino ipse enim vigilat pro animabus vestris Away then with their impertinent objection who say that there is a malady in the very name of Bishop that the name is odious you see the holy Ghost hath honoured this name and title with approbation Nay this name and title must never sinke into obloquy it being one of the attributes of our blessed Saviour He is the Bishop of our soules The second is Episcopus praeses If this be but Humanus Episcopatus for I doe not determine the point already warme betweene a reverend and worthy Bishop and his Anti-pent-agonists if it be not founded upon Divine institution yet certainly it stands on good grounds and pleads its own right by a good title and that either jure Apostolico or jure Ecclestastico or jure civili constitutivo or jure rationis convenientiae All or any of these do entitle it jure bono And that by so good so approved a right that Mr. Speaker I am bold to stand up and to forbid any man from this houre for 1600 yeares upward to name any one age nay any one yeare wherein this Episcopacy was out of date in the best part of Christendome By the word Bishop I do here understand a man of the Clergy eminent in honour and power by vertue of a superiour degree above other men both Ministers and people within a certaine circuit or territory allotted and subjected to his particular care and survey in matters spirituall and affaires Ecclesiasticall I will not trouble you to repeat the character of this Bishop I have formerly been bold with you in that kind He had a precedency He had a presidency He had a power potestatem directivam it cannot be denied I gave you an instance very accommodate to my sence Master Speaker your selfe are our Bishop we are your Presbyters It is true that we have made you our Bishop our Overseer our President and now it is as true that neither we without you nor you without us can establish any one order Not you without us we must be your Assistants So Ignatius of old The Presbyters are saith he {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} as the Senate of God and the band of Apostles Nor we without you for so the same Ignatius give me leave to presse his venerable authority although Ignorance and Arrogance have of late decryed both him and all Antiquity They saith he who doe all things {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} without a Bishop to such men Christ will say Why doe you call me Lord Lord and doe not the workes I bid you Such men doe seeme to me {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} not to be of good conscience but to be counterfeiters and dissemblers Mark his judgement on such as would do all things without a Bishop Of this Bishop the Bishop President and I plead for no other it must be meant which I read in the same Ignatius I will not trouble you with any yonger or any weaker authority and I will hold my selfe within those Epistles that are indubiously his the words are these {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} It is necessary necessary he says that you do nothing without the Bishop Clearely then the Bishop President in the best and purest age was of the Quorum in all Ecclesiasticall affaires And for this last age Reverend Calvin Beza Bucer Zanchy Danaeus learned Chamier all admit none reject this kind of Episcopacy They who deny that ever any such Bishops were in the best the purest times I intreat some one of them if any such be here