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A49772 A brief answer to three books, one by John Faldo, called an Independent, and two by Thomas Hicks a Baptist, put forth against the people called Quakers wherein the Presbyters, (Inde)pendents, and Baptists, though they differ among themselves, yet like Herod, Pontius Pilate, Judas, and the Jews are all joyn'd against the truth : but that which is not of God, shall not stand. Lawrence, Thomas, 1645?-1714. 1673 (1673) Wing L683; ESTC R7733 6,061 8

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with God and the Word was God all things were made by it But the Scriptures were not in the beginning with God nor Scriptures never was God nor were all things made by the Scriptures 2. They deny the Scriptures to be as the Rule of Faith and Practice to Christians Answ The Spirit of God was and is the Unchangeable Everlasting Rule of Faith and Practice to all true Believers in all Ages Who can understand the Scriptures but by the same Spirit that gave it forth Then how can it be an infallible Rule without the Spirit to open and apply them 3. Quakers deny the Person of Jesus Christ Answ They do believe the One M●diator between God and Man the Man Christ Jesus Where do the Scriptures that T. Hicks calls his Rule say That Christ is a Person or that the Son is One Person and the holy Ghost Another ●erson We own Christ Jesus born of the Vigin Mary his Death Resurrection and Ascension and his Coming again in Spirit who said He that is with you shall be in you 4. Quakers deny the Resurrection of the Body Answ They believe All that are in the Graves shall come forth they that have done good to the Resurrection of Life and they that have done evil to the Resurrection of Condemnation And it shall be raised a Spiritual Body But that the Body of Flesh and Blood shall rise in the same Form and inherit the Kingdom of Heaven let T. Hicks prove that by that which he calls his Rule if he can but that saith Thou sowest not that Body which shall be 5. They say that the Light in every Man is sufficient to guide unto Salvation if it be obeyed Answ The Light is sufficient whether any obey it or not but none shall be saved by it but they that do obey it and yet not saved by obeying only 6. Also ye maintain Perfection attainable in this Life but what Perfection do ye mean Answ 1. There is Perfection to which nothing can be added and so no Man but God only is perfect 2ly There is Perfection from Sin and so the first Adam was made perfect by Creation and true Believers are made perfect by Redemption else Christ Jesus the second Adam hath less Power to deliver Man out of Sin then the first Adam had to bring him into Sin The most do not believe there is such a State as Freedom from all Sin in this Life some others do believe there is Yet none know it but they that are in it nor none can come into it but they that are led and guided by the Word and Spirit of God in them There is Perfection from Sin and Growth in Holiness The Man Christ Jesus was free from all Sin and grew in Wisdom and Stature And such as come to this State grow up in Christ the Resurrection and the Life in the Unity being set down together in the Heavenly Places have fought a good Fight and know the Overcoming and enjoy a State which the World knoweth not but make War against it II. There are many absolute Lyes recorded in T. Hicks's Book I give a hint but of some 1. He saith All things necessary to Salvation are contained in the Scriptures and in no other Record in the World either without or within Men. Answ The Record of God is true which is within men 2 He saith That the Light within is so far from being a sufficient Guide that it ought to be rejected Indeed Thomas Hicks doth reject it which he ought not to do 3. T. Hicks saith That p●rfect Freedom from all Sin will cause much Pride and Presumption and hinder holy Fear and holy Watchfulness and industrious Endeavours to walk in a holy Course to the end Answ If T. Hicks's Sins and Imperfections would have kept him from Pride and Presumption why then is he so proud and presumptuous hardly any like him as his Books do manifest III. Now besides his absolute note some of T. H's suspected Lyes 1. P. 9. T. H. saith A Quaker told him that he esteemed the Blood of Christ spilt at Jerusalem no more than an Vnholy or Common Thing 2. P. 29 T. H. saith That G. Fox and R. H. said It is dangerous for Ignorant People to read the Scriptures Who will believe this 3. Pag. 30. T. Hicks asked J. Story Whether the Light in every man is sufficient to guide to Salvation J. Story answered as T. Hicks saith in his Book That he did not come to be Catechised Answ But J. Story did not answer three Priests so at the Town Hall in Marlbrough where I dwell before the Magistrates and a Multitude sixteen years ago but answered so that they never desired or not endeavoured to dispute with Quakers since 4. The Ill Report that T. Hicks hath cast upon as he calls Fox Dewsbury Atkinson Whitehead Crisp Burroughs Howgill Penn and others is a suspected Lye Who will believe T. Hicks but such as are deceived with him by the Accuser of the Brethren in whose Steps he treads Now I expect what I shall receive It is likely the same which T.H. saith in his Title page and Postscript of his Dialogue namely That the Method and Manner of the Quakers reasoning is Scurrilous Language though they speak Scripture-words as to name Dog Swine Viper Serpent Lyar c. but when the Persons spoken to are such then it is Truth and no Scurrilous Language To J. Faldo and Tho. Hicks Friends YE are both Strangers to me I have no certain Knowledg of you but by your Books which when I received and took Notice of your Waters I found your dis-ease Your Waters are not Rivers of Living Water which flow out of the Belly of such as believe in Christ as Joh. 7 38. nor the pure River-Water clear as Crystal out of the Throne of God and of the Lamb. Rev. 22. but brackish foul Water out of the foaming Sea that casteth up Mire and Dirt out of which the Beast rose Rev. 13. Waters upon which the Whore sits that hath made the Nations Drunk with the Wine of her Fornications Rev. 17 So according to these Scriptures your Dis-ease is a Beastly Drunken Whorish Distemper Consider in your own hearts and be wise Paul Persecuted that Truth which afterward he preached Come I hope your Day is not wholly over I can assure you of a Remedy if ye in Faith and Patience take it It is this Turn into the Light of Christ within you notwithstanding ye have spoken all manner of evil against it slighted reproach'd and vilifi'd it Yet come now submit to it and follow it it will cure all your Maladies Ye have a sufficient Warrant for what I tell you Joh. 8.12 Jesus saith I am the Light of the World he that followeth me shall not abide in Darkness but shall have the Light of Life Object But if ye should object and say what is one sheet in Answer to Three Books containing 556. pages Answ I did fear ye were affected with Tautology more then Brevity with Obscurity more then Perspicuity John saw in the Hand of the Angel a little Book Rev 10. I have answered the Sum and Substance of your Three Books though brief yet plain particulars in them of little Value are reduceable and comprehended in the Summary There is enough charged against you clear your selves of that first and make invalid my Proofs if ye can Thomas Lawrence ONe day before I came forth I met with another Book of Tho. Hicks intituled A Continuation of his former Dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker Why Thomas are not Quakers Christians what are all Pagans but whom T. Hicks will allow the name of Christian Some Baptists whose dwelling is in Marlbrough said in my hearing That Master Hicks having a Book in his hand written Dialogue-way cast it away with great dis-like and said It was an unjust way of Printing And gave his reasons for it First said he The Translator hath all in his own hand and can make his Opposer say what he pleases to serve his own Turn Secondly he will take the weakest part of his Opponent to work upon and as I may say rather then fail make Lyes of his own and fence with them as he hath done in both his Books So instead of Repenting of doing that which he then condemned he Continueth in his Sin after Conviction as if he were wholly hardened regarding neither Justice nor Honesty nor his Account at the Day of Judgment when he must answer for all his Deeds done in the Body He saith That Printing Dialogue way is unjust and hath given his Reasons yet hath printed two Dialogues himself and so hath done the same thing for which he hath condemned another and therefore he is inexcusable Rom 2. So to conclude he hath condemn'd all his own Writings what need any more Proof or Arguments against him Friends J. Faldo and T. Hicks I wonder that Men so Learned and Eloquent as ye would seem to be and would be accounted solid and leading Men should be so much in the vain Jangling Contentions and needless Repetitions In the tenth part of the Paper you might have written more and to better purpose Though Quaking and Trembling is that which some of God's dear Servants have known yet who hath ever said That Quaker or Quakerism is Christianity or in what Tongue or Language have ye found the words Ye fight against less then a Shaddow a Figment of your own as T. Hicks calls I 'le tell you from whence your words are from the Beast that rose out of the Sea from the blind World that lies in Wickedness from the Stock of Ishmael who are Mockers born after the Flesh from the Devil the Father of Lyes Now take notice of your Original and what your State and Condition is whilst ye stand where ye are If I had had more time I know not that I should have written any more There is enough charged against you already answer that first if ye can There be some Books printed already and some to print to lay open your Weakness more at large Ye had better proceed no further lest ye be found Fighters against God T. L.