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A39364 Polemica Christiana, or, An earnest contending for the faith which was once deliver'd unto the saints in I. a letter to the author of the Dialogue, &c., II. a vindication of the doctrine of Mr. Richard Hooker, against the mis-representation of an anti-trinitarion, in a pamphlet entitled, Considerations on the explications of the doctrine of the trinity, III. reflections upon some passages in a book entitled, The history of religion, IV. a vindication of Vincentius Lirinensis, from the unjust reproach cast on him, by an anonymous writer, in a book entitled, Animadversions on Mr. Hill's book / by Edmund Elys ... Elys, Edmund, ca. 1634-ca. 1707. 1696 (1696) Wing E685; ESTC R41121 13,781 30

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And let him tell me if there can be greater Evidence for any Assertion concerning the meaning of any Word or Phrase than we have for this That by Fellows we are not to understand Angels but Men. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 In your Clear Confutation as you call it you have these words A Trinity supposes Three Persons in God And why but Three Surely all between One and Infinite's imperfect if divers Personality were a Perfection in God therefore Infinity should be the Number Answ The Divine Infinity is Absolute Infinity and 't is the grossest Nonsense to say That Number can be absolutely Infinite since it has a Beginning We believe that The Father is God The Son is God and the Holy Ghost is God and yet they are not Three Gods but One God because the Onely Wise God himself in the Holy Scriptures has Reveal'd it unto us Our Trinitarians would tell us say you that God is the most pure and simple Being and yet again they can say That he is Three Persons and has Three Wills and Three Understandings c. Answ Nothing can be more False than to say That we hold that God has Three Wills c. we grant that it implies a Contradiction to say There are not Three Natures Numerically Distinct where there are Three Wills and Three Vnderstandings as in Three Men we affirm That The Father The Son and The Holy Ghost as they have One Divine Nature have but One Will and One Understanding But God the Son as he has Two Natures the Divine and Humane has Two Wills c. but his Humane Will is most perfectly united to the Divine Will in all things It was so in all his Sufferings which were the Objects of his Aversion being consider'd as in themselves but of his Volition being consider'd as the Effects of the Divine Will This calls me to an Animadversion on those words which I tremble to recite I am confident no truly Learned sincere Christian that was to write in Confutation of the Religion of the Turks would pour out such Contumelious Speeches against Mahomet and his Followers as you do against the Blessed Jesus Our LORD and Our GOD and against Us his Followers Your Present Mystery-men and Metaphysical Mad-men Sometimes say you by a kind of Ventriloquy they make Christ as God to be able to tell us all things but by and by again as Man they attribute Ignorance to him So sometimes again they make him Omnipotent and yet by and by again Hocus pocus we must have an Angel to comfort him against his Sufferings Good God! shall we never be deliver'd from these Labyrinths Answ We do not attribute Ignorance to Christ as the word Ignorance signifies Imperfection viz. Any want of Knowledge but as it signifies simply Not knowing all Things Such Ignorance the most Perfect Finite Understanding must be subject unto And Christ's Understanding as Man is Finite Upon supposition that He subjected Himself to Sufferings where 's the Absurdity that he should be Comforted by an Angel in that Nature in which he suffered But say you What! Did only the Man dye Was only the Man Tempted Christ then was but inhabited by the God-head and when the Man was in his streights God left him to comfort himself but where is the Room for the Merit● and Sufferings of the God-head then Answ God the Son Assum'd or United to himself the Humane Nature that so he might be capable of Suffering to Demonstrate that the HOLY ONE hates Sin with an infinite Hatred and loves Men tho' SINNERS with an infinite Love In which Demonstration of the Divine Justice and Mercy towards Men is implied the greatest Efficacy that can be to bring Sinners to Repentance So that the Onely Cause that any Sinner does not Repent is the Perverseness of his own Will in that he Shuts his Eyes against this Demonstration and so Rejects the Offer of the Onely Effectual Remedy for all his Diseases I beseech Almighty God by the Death and Passion of the Holy Jesus who together with The Father and The Holy Ghost is Worshipped and Glorified to have Mercy upon you to give you true Repentance and his Holy Spirit that you may be Reconcil'd unto God before you shall Go from hence and be no more seen If You or any of your Companions have a mind to Dispute with me in Private if You will send me any Letters by the Post I promise you that by the Help of God I shall return an Answer to every Letter I shall receive from any of you And that I shall never Publish any of your Letters without your Consent but I will not Promise not to Publish mine own I am Your Servant and the Servant of all Men For CHRIST's Sake Edmund Elys Totness in Devon May 1st 1694. A VINDICATION OF THE DOCTRINE OF Mr. RICHARD HOOKER c. THis Anti-Trinitarian tells the World and that truly that Mr. Hooker saith That the Substance of God with this Property To be of None doth make the Person of the Father The very self-same Substance in Number with this Property To be of the Father maketh the Person of the Son The same Substance having added to it the Property of Proceeding from the other Two maketh the Person of the Holy Ghost So that in every Person there is imply'd both the Substance of God which is One and also that Property which causeth the same Person really and truly to differ from the other Two On these words of the Excellent Mr. Hooker this Disputer maketh this Animadversion Now to be of none to be of the Father and to proceed from both are but other words for this Sense To Beget to be Begotten and to Proceed But that Father of Modern O●thodoxy Peter Lombard denies that these before-mention'd are Properties in the Substance of God or that they can belong to it He saith Essentia n●● est Generans nec Generata nec Procedens i. e. The Substance of God neither Begets nor is Begotten nor Proceeds 'T is impossible to make this consist with Mr. Hooker who expresly ascribeth those Properties to the Divine Substance or Essence and saith that being in the Divine Substance they make it to be Three Persons To this I answer That Mr. Hooker does not Contradict Peter Lombard For 't is Evident his meaning is this That the Divine Substance or Essence as in the Father is of None as in the Son is of the Father as in the Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son The Property belongs to the Person and not to the Essence as Communicable to Three Persons In every Person says Mr. Hooker there is implied both the Substance of God which is One and also that Property which causeth the same Person really and truly to differ from the other Two It is a most palpable Falshood which this Man delivers in these words Here is the same Substance Unbegotten and Begotten Answ The Person of the Son is Begotten in that he