that I deny for on the contrary Conversion presupposeth having light and grace by which and to which men are to be converted So that before a man be converted hee must have Saving grace in order to convert him even as the being healed of a wound presupposeth the plaister or salve but not on the contrary for the application of the plaister presupposeth not the being healed But whereas thou sayest what need is there of his turning when men are in this state already thou misrepresentest us for wee doe not say that all men are in a state of light and grace to be in a state of grace is to stand in grace which the wicked doe not stand in yet this hinders not but that grace is communicated unto them whereby they may come to a state or standing in it while the day of their visitation remains Againe thou undertakest to prove that all men have not sufficient light two wayes first that all men have not the Spirit of God jud 19. to which I answer that there may be a sufficient light in men who may be said after a certaine manner not to have the Spirit as being such vvho though the Spirit be in them to invite call and dravv them unto God yet resist his dravvings and so separate themselves from it so continuing untill the day of Gods visitation unto them come to an end concerning vvhom it is true that then they have not the Spirit so much as to invite and call them unto God or to give unto them the least tender of his love And though all have not the spirit bringing forth the fruits thereof in them to vvit love mecknes gentlenes c. as no vvicked persons have yet all even the vvicked in a certaine day have the Spirit in them to reprove and convince yea to call upon them and strive vvith them in order unto their Conversion for the Spirit of God reproves the world of sin John 19. 8. and Acts. 7. 50. Yee stiffe necked and uncircumcised yee doe alwayes resist the holy Ghost and Gen. 6. My spirit shall not always strive vvith or in man and many more to that purpose For a Second reason of its insufficiency thou sayest it reveales not Iesus Christ a saviour in respect it gives not a discoverie of his incarnation passion resurrection c. Citing 1. Cor. 2. 2. and from this place thou wouldst inferr that the Apostle preferred the knowledge of Christ as crucified outwardly to all other knowledge Answer Though wee willingly acknowledge that to know him even as he did outwardly come and was crucified c. Is a Good knowledge and of great profit and comfort to them who believe yet wee deny that the knowledge of him as outwardly crucified is the best of all other knowledge of him or to be preferred to all other wayes of knowing him nor does that Scripture 1. Cor. 2. 2 prove it For Paul is not speaking there of Christ as crucified outwardly in Iudea but of him as hee was inwardly crucified in the Corinthians when Paul first came unto them to preach the Gospell as the words doe plainly import being rightly translated out of the Greek for I determined not to know any thing 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 i. e. in you but Iesus Christ and him crucified This was the Apostle his care and travell in his ministrie to declare and hold forth unto the Corinthians and other gentiles Iesus Christ who was crucified in them in his suffering seed even that seed of light and truth which suffered and was crucified in them under the burden of their transgression in the time of their unbeliefe and to preach salvation and deliverance from sin and wrath through Iesus Christ according to his weak and low appearance in them in the suffering seed through their beleving in him and closing with him as manifest therein according to which hee said to the Galathians that Iesus Christ was evidently set befor their eyes crucified in them 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and Ephes. 3. v. 8. hee said this grace was given unto him to preach 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 i. e. in the gentiles the unsearcheable riches of Christ parallel to which is that of the Apostle 1. Col. 27. for so should all these places be translated which riches of Christ lay hid and wrapped up in them in the seed of the Kingdome which was the least of all seeds even as the riches and fruitfulnes of a tree lyes hid in the seed of it which coms to be brought forth as the seed takes root and gets liberty to grow up unto the due stature so for this the Apostle laboured that people might know Christ in them and might embrace him in their hearts that so hee might be formed in them Gal 4. 19. And they might know him to lâ—ve in them and his life to rule in them which is more then to know him as outwardly crucified and indeed none know the weight and greatnes of vvhat hee suffered outvvardly but vvho knovv him first as hee hath suffered in them and suffer and become crucified vvith him so as to have a Sympathy fellovv feeling vvith him even as the members suffer and are pained vvhen any thing hurts the head or heart And vvhereas thou sayest you see the Apostle judges the knowledge of Christ crucified to be that one thing necessary Wee deny that the knovvledge of his being outvvardly crucified is that one thing necessary for people must knovv him in them Know yee not that Christ is in you unles yee be reprobats 1. Cor. 13. 5. As for thy charge upon the Quaker saying with what face can you blame me for being in darknes seeing your opinion is that all men have sufficient light in them It is frivolous for though the light vvhich is sufficient be in thee thy opposition to the light blinds thee and hinders thee from seing light a man may have a candle burning in his house but if hee put it under a bushell it vvill not give him the sight of things in the house That there is no other name under heaven wherby any can be saved but the name of Iesus Christ is granted but that name is another thing then the bare expression or declaration and knovvledge of vvords or things as with out becaus his name is said to be a strong tower wherunto the righteous fly and are safe vvhich is another thing then the bare nameing of his death and crosse vvithout for many unrighteous plead a right to that and can fly unto it as vve see by the example of the Papists To vvhom it seems yee vvill needs joine your selves in this matter vvho say that the outvvard naming of Christ and signing vvith the crosse puts avvay Devils and that vvee are of another mind then you in this matter is much to our advantage becaus vvee knovv the inward is the maine thing and vvher it is enjoyed the efficacy benefit of the outvvard can not be vvanting though
supposeth it night be other wise where he sayeth least preaching the Gospell to others I my selfe become a cast away And though some fall away the dishonour of the foolish builder cannot be cast upon God but upon them who fall away for it standeth very well vvith the wisdome and power of God to suffer them to fall away who knowingly and wilfully depart from the Lord and will not concurre with him in the work as subordinate Instruments but resist him though her invite and call yea draw them The next thou citest is 1. Peter 15. Answ. Such as are so kept by the power of God it is through Faith but as they abide not in that power through Faith but wandâ—r from it they fall and cannot but fall away And as for Ierem. 32. 40. cited by thee it should be translated thus I will putt my fear into their hearts that they may not depart from me so Iunius and Tremellius version or not to depart from me as the Septuagint hath it Now to say that they may not depart is one thing and to say they cannot depart is another Yet where the fear of God coms so to be raised and established in the heart over all wee beleive such cannot depart but every one is not attained to that State where yet the fear of God may have some place And as touching these other Scriptures Ioh. 10. 27. 28. 29. And John 13. 1. and. 1. Iohn 2 19. they speake of those who are come to a through Regeneration who wee doe beleive can never fall away as being be got into the perfect Nature of the elect sheep and Children Nor doth it follow from this that one may be a Child of God to day and a Child of the divell to morrow for these who are once properly the children of God through a true and through regeneration can never become the children of the divel nor be cast out of Gods speciall love that hee beareth to his owne children For to end this matter thou sayest it is safer to question the truth of the graces of those that fall away then the doctrine of the perseverance of the Saints But doest thou looke upon the Quakers as having fallen away if thou doest how comes it that thou bespeakest them in thy Epistle as those who have had reall Grace saying to them did yee attaine to that knowledge of and acquaintance with God which yee have in the use of ordinances and againe yee did run well who did hinder you And againe why should they asperse these ordinances which have beene the means of their conversion Or are these words only a Ioabs kisse by vvhich thou vvouldest kisse the Quakers vvhile in the meane tyme thou hast a svvord hid under thy cloak to strike them thorough under the fifth rib But the Quakers are avvare of thee and having on the armour of God are out of thy reach In the last place Pag. 50. thou undertakest to prove that our errors as thou callest them tend to irreligiousnes and Atheism becaus they tend to take avvay the vvorship due to God but it hath beene heretofore proved that vvee deny not true VVorship but only your idolatrous superstitious worships vvhich cannot truly be called the VVorship of God Our vvay thou sayest tends to irreligiousnes becaus frequently wee goe to meat and come from it vvithout seeking a blessing or returning thanks which is to deny God a part of that Worship vvhich is due to him 1. Tim. 4. 4. 5. Ansvv. to receive the gifts and benefits of God vvith thanks giving and to vvitnes it blessed and sanctified to us by the word and prayer is ovvned by us and to knovv this so vvithout taking off the hat or using of formall speaking of vvords though it be a thing frequently used by us also tends to no irreligiousnes for it is a thing usuall among us vvhen vvee sit dovvne to eat to vvait upon the Lord for some time that vvee may feel his presence and knovv ourselves stated in his fear to vvhich the blessing isâ— and as vvee there stand if any outvvard expressions be required of any then in Gods fear they may utter them and this is to knovv the blessing indeed and to be in the place that is blessed But for people that are conversing out of Gods fear stated in a Light airy Spirit not only many tymâ—s laughing and scoffing but some times even blaspheming presently so soone as the meat cometh to clap off their hats and speake a fevv vvords in a custome and so soone as they have done fall to their former vvork againe is not this Atheisme and irreligiousnes for if such did think of God aright and knovv vvhat it vvere to fear him they vvould be far from addressing themselves in such postures unto him neither could they be so impudent as to expect a blessing from him while they stand in that condition to which the curse is annexed In the second place Pag. 51. Thou sayest Doth not the taking men off from prayer tend to Irreligiousnes and Atheisme Now you teach wee must not pray in private nor in families without an impulse therefore Answ. This is no sound argument to take men off from prayer tends to irreligiousnes is granted but to say that a man cannot nor ought not to pray without the Spirits drawing and motion which you commonly name by impulse a vvord vvhich common people doe not understand hath no such tendency or that it takes any off from prayer truly so called is denied For hath that a bad tendencie which take's men off from such Prayers as are abomination are not true Prayers but hypocritical and deceitful As all such Prayers are that are performed without the help of the Spirit Wee say whosoever can pray to the Lord indeed let them pray wee are not to forbid them but that any can pray without the Spirit that wee deny according to 1. Cor. 14. 15. I will pray with the Spirit c. And Rom. 8. 26. likewise also The Spirit helpeth your infirmities for wee know not what wee should pray for as wee ought Now if wee know not what to pray for without the Spirit how can wee pray without it Paul durst not adventure upon this duty without the assistance of the Spirit yea hee said no man could say that Jesus is the Lord but by the holy Ghost but here an arrogant generation will needs by praying without it which yet is not Prayer and such families where this only is used cannot be truly said to call upon God while such truely may be said so to doe that wait upon the Lord and stand in his fear and bring forth the fruits of righteousnes though they be not so much in the external signification of words which also at times is found in our families as the Lord requireth it and giveth utterance And whereas thou sayest That thou beleivest it will be found that some of us for the space of a whole Yeare have
Scriptures cited by thee for all these Scriptures speake of works with a limitation as Rom. 3. 20 by the deeds of the law there shall no fllesh be justified and Gal. 2. 16. knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law here the works of the law are excluded but not the works of Christinus which are not of the law for the law or first Covenant was weak and gave not strength to them who wer under it to fulfill righteousnes but these who were in Christ Iesus witnessed the righteousnes of the law fulfilled in them who walked not after the flesh but after the spirit And as for that other Scripture Tit. 3. 5. though it exclude works of mens doing as of themselves yet it excluds not all works nor inward righteousnes of Christ but expressely includs it according to his mercy he saved us by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the holy holy Ghost thou cauldest not have brought a more plaine proof against thy selfe for thou citest this Scripture as holding forth justification Now the Apostle sayeth he saved us according to his mercy by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the holy Ghost and is not the washing of regeneration and renewing of the holy Ghost a vvork which comprehends many particular works of the Spirit of Christ in the Saints And is not regeneration and the renewing of the holy Ghost a righteousnes wrought in us How is it then that thou art not ashamed to charge us with rank Popery for saying wee are justified by a righteousnes wrought in us seeing the very Scripture cited by thee is expresly for it May wee not pertinently returne these words upon thee which thou misappliest to us Oh tell it not in Gath publish it not in the Streets of Askelon c. That a man who pretends to teach others aright in the matter of justification hath so confounded himselfe that to prove that justification is not by a righteousnes wrought vvithin bring a Scripture which speaks expresly of a righteousnes vvithin to wit that of regeneration and renovation by which wee are saved And if any should say the vvords doe not say vve are justified by the vvashing of regeneration and renevving of the holy Ghost but vvee are saved therby as intending sanctification and not justification I answer This helps not the Author out of the ditch for he brings this Scripture forth applying it to the matter of justification But againe if these vvords exclude all works generally and vvithout any limitation then they exclude all works vvhich are vvrought by the Spirit of Christ from sanctification as if men vvere sanctified by no vvorks of the Spirit of Christ within them or if it be said that vvorks of our ovvne doing selfe-righteousnes are only excluded from having place in our sanctification but not the vvorks vvrought in and by the Spirit of Christ then I say vvhy may not the same distinction have place in all these other Scriptures vvhich say vvee are not justified by vvorks c. and indeed in all these Scriptures it holds true no lesse concerning sanctification then concerning justification As thus by the deeds of the Law there shall no flesh be sanctified knovving that a man is not sanctified by the works of the Law c. but it vvere vaine to infer from this that men at Sanctified by no vvorks of righteousnes wrought in them by the Spirit of Christ therefore it is as vaine to infer that men are justified by no vvorks of righteousnes wrought in them by his Spirit Pag 22. Thou sayest wee can shift of popery with this that they are not our good works which deserve and merit justification but the good works of Christs working in us yea I say wee doe justly cast of the accusation of Popery as having the expresse testimony of Scripture that wee are justified by works to wit such as are wrought in Christ and by him in us Iames. 2. 24. you see then that a man is justified by works and not by faith only compared with Tit. 3. 5. before-mentioned and as for the Papists works by which they seeke to be justified wee doe not acknowledge them to be such works as whereby or wherein any can be justified And vvhereas thou pleadest that the good vvorks of Christs vvorking in us are ours citing Isai. 26. 12. Matth. 5. 16. c. Wee grant it but they are not ours in that signification as vvhere it is said hee that is entred into his rest hath ceased from his owne works Hebr. 4. 10. There are works which are so ours that they are not the works of the sanctifiing renevving Spirit of Christ in us and such are works both of open unrighteousnes and of selfe fained righteousnes vvhich has no better root to bring them forth then mans ovvne will and Spirit and by such vvorks vvee deny to be justified yea vve deny all such vvorks and the justification by them and desire to stand in a continual denyal unto them and forbearance from them But againe there are such vvorks vvhich are so ours that they are Christs also vvho vvorks them in us and by us and are ours by his free grace and by such works vvee affirme men are justified Pag. 23. Thou pleadest That men cannot be justified by any works of Christs working in them because they are imperfect And for their imperfection thou instancest 1. Faith becaus it is said O yee of litle faith why doubt yee Answ. By this thou mayst as well exclude faith from justification every way as vvorks if it vvere granted that their faith vvas imperfect but that Scripture nor no other speaks not of imperfect faith but of little faith Novv little Faith is perfect in the measure of it as a little Gold is perfect Gold And though the Disciples had doubting yet the faith vvas not the doubting nor vvas it made impure by it for the least measure of true faith can never be defiled othervvise it could not purify the heart it is like the fire vvhich cannot be defiled vvith the impurities of those things it vvorks upon And as for the Disciples at that time as they vverein part justified or approved by the Lord in relation to their faith so were they reproved and not justified of him in relation unto or becaus of their doubting But this Scripture nor none other provs not that faith was or is alwayes accompanied with doubting Abraham beleived Gods promise without doubting and was strong in the faith giving glory to God and it was imputed to him for Righteousnes Rom. 4. 20. 21. 22. And said James His faith was perfected by works Chap 2. 22. For that which is perfect in a lesse measure can be further perfected in a greater Secondly Thou pleadest that knowledge is imperfect becaus the Apostle saith VVe know but in part 1 Cor. 13. 9 But the Apostle does not say our knovvledge is imperfect or impure Wee may knovv a thing in part and yet that
looking upon the ground vvhereas if ever thou comest to knovv the Scriptures a right or to confer a right concerning them so as to proffit thou must first come to that silence thou novv so much despisest So that these things very vvell consist though the vvorld may judge othervvayes vvhom thou vvilt have to be judges in the case but in the judgement of those vvho are redeemed out of the vvorld vvee shall be found to put the scriptures in their true place Thou canst not but smile thou sayest that a man of understanding should grant the Scriptures to be a declaration of Gods mind and yet deny them to be Gods VVord for what is a VVord but a declaration of ones mind Ansvv. Here thy lightnes appears vvhich darkens thy understanding if thou must needs smile doe it at thy impertinent reason for though a mans VVord be the declaration of his mind yet every declaration of his mind is not his word for signes may be a declaration of a mans mind without his word and people usually distinguish betwixt a mans VVord and his writ And so though the scripture be a declaration of Gods mind yet it is not his VVord properly nor can those properties which are declared of the VVord belong to the scriptures as hath oft beene demonstrated but to that inward and living VVord as it doth declare it selfe whether in the heart or in the mouth The VVord of God is like unto himselfe spirituall yea Spirit and life and therefore cannot be heard or read with the natural externall senses as the Scriptures can nor does the Scriptures cited by thee as Hosea 1. 1. Ioel. 1. 1. Isaiah 38. 4. Ieremiah 14. 1. prove thy intent For that VVord vvhich came unto the Prophets vvas that from vvhich the scriptures vver given forth vvhich VVord you confesse vvas immediate from God but you say it is ceased to come novv And did not all the Prophets prophecie from Christ the Word Thou mightest ss vvell reason thus that vvhen it is said the Spirit of the Lord came upon such a one or to such a one that therefore the scripture is the Spirit and so deny all Spirit but that vvhich is the Scripture as some doe in other Sects calling the vvritings of the Apostles and Evangelists the Spirit and denying the necessity of any other thing vvhich is abominable deceâ—pt and vvresting of Scriture and that the Prophets declaring their message said thus saith the Lord provs that vvhat God spake in them and through them as the living VVord declared it selfe vvas the VVord of God but not the letter or vvriting And vvhereas thou sayest it is all one to say the scripture saith and God sayeth Answer by vvay of inference and collection it may be said they are one becaus of their agreement yet the living VVord and speech of God is not the scripture more then the sun beame is the shadow â—hough the one agrees vvith the other every one that reads or hears the scriptures read hears not God immediatly now that vvhich God speaks to any or in any immediatly that is only his VVord properly unto them As they vvho only read my Letter cannot be said properly to hear me by VVord of mouth Christ said to the jewes yee have not heard his voice though they heard the scriptures and though the Apostle useth some scriptures out of the old Testament it prove not hee had not the VVord of the Lord speaking them immediatly in him and to him That scripture thou biddest remarke 1 Thess. 2. 13. provs not thy intent neither for the VVord which they heard of the Apostles was that living VVord declaring it selfe through the Apostles which was answered by the same in them who heard they heard Christ of in and through the Apostles does it therefore follow that Christ is the Scripture And lastly Mark 7. 13. Servs thy purpose no more then the rest for the Pharisees in striking at the fift commandement did conesquentially strike at the living inward VVord which gave it forth as those who strucke at any of the Apostles struck at Christ yet none of the Apostles was Christ as nether is the 〈◊〉 as it is outwardly vvritt to speak properly the VVord of God And truly the reason why vvee may not call the Scriptures the VVord of God to speak properly is that people may be directed to that invvard living VVord for by their being so much called the VVord of God they have beene putt in Christs stead and have beene set up as an Idoll in stead of that from whence they came so that to avoid this hazard vvee have putt them in their due place Pag. 14. To prove that it is the mind and VVill of God that the Scriptures should be the Rule thou citest Isay. 8. 20. To the Law and to the testimony c. But it rests to be proved that the Law and testimony vvas not the inward Law and that that Word according to vvhich they vvere to speake vvas not the inward VVord vvhich is said to be in the heart It is observable that to prove this thou bringest Ioh. 7. 49. vvhere the Pharisees say have any of the Rulers or Pharisees beleived in him but this people that know not the law are accursed This place sutes the matter very vvell but makes much against thee For the Pharisees here were crying up the outward Lavv and the knowledge of it averring that the ignorance of it caused the meane people to beleive in Christ. So doe yee novv yee pretend to cry up the Law and say the ignorance of it occasions so many to leave you And as they then were setting the Law above Christ and covering themselves with a zeal for it persecuting him and reviling his followers as ignorants So yee now whilst yee are boasting of your great knowledge in the Law and in the scripture and your high esteeme of them yee are despising crucifying the same Christ in his spirituall appearance and upbraiding his followers now as thâ—y did then as ignorants and contemners of the Law And as to Luk. 10. 26. how readest thou This was spoke to one that was a Lawyer or interpreter of the Law and relyed upon it so Christ spoke this to check him and beside the dispensation of the Law which this Lawyer was under was different from that of the Gospel in this matter as may appear Heb. 8. 10. Againe as for Christ and his Apostles useing the Scriptures for convincing of their opposers so doe wee and yet this proves not that either hee or wee judge them to be the Rule wherby to try all things and Spirits yea even the Spirt of God himselfe Pag. 15. Thou seemest to lay much stresse upon this that it wer impossible for us to prove to a Iew or a Turk that Iesus the Son of Mary is in very deed the Christ without the Scripture But I Answer thee to that easily by what way wilt thou perswade a Turk to believe the Scriptures or
hee humbled himselfe unto death even unto the death of the crosse tasting death for every man This is an honest and plaine and true account of our beleife in this matter and is in substance one and the same with that which at sundry tymes thou and thy brethren hast received from us notwithstanding the bare scanty and disingenuous account thou givest of us in this matter Secondly As to the vast difference that lyeth betwixt us and the Papists any who are not willfully blind may see it who know their Doctrine and ours in this thing It is not the works of Christ wrought in us nor the works which wee work in his Spirit and power that wee rest and relye upon as the Ground and foundation of our justification but it is Christ himselfe the worker revealed in us indwelling in us his life and Spirit covering us that is the Ground of our justification and wee feeling our selvs in him feeling him in us and his Spirit his life covering us wee feel our justification and peace with God in him and through him the alone Mediatour betwixt God and Man Now this manner of justification by the indwelling of Christ in the Saints and of his Spirit is not held by the Papists but is expressly denied by them and disputed against particularly by Bellarmine And Christ Iesus himselfe is both first and last our justification and foundation of it and as to being justified by works the Scripture is plaine for it and so wee may not deny it but plead for it according to the true sence and mind of the Spirit as wee are taught of him But to be justified by him is more then to be justified by works and therefore are wee justified in our works which wee work in him because wee are in him and work them in him and because the Lord accepteth and justifieth us in him therefore hee accepteth and justifieth our works wrought in him and accepteth and justifieth us in relation to these works and though it hath beene said by us that Good works which are wrought in Christ and are rather his then ours are meritorious yet wee understand it not any otherwayes then thus that all their Merit or worth is from Christ and seing they are said in Scripture to have their reward and Reward and Merit are relative terms inferring one another in that sence wherin they are said to be rewarded they may also be said to be meritorious which yet hinders not the freedome of Gods grace in justification for wee doe verily beleive and confesse that both the VVorks and the Reward are of the free grace of God and that the Lord giveth us all things not of Debt or as being in our Debt but of free gift and his infinite goodnes and VVisdome hath seene it meet to promise a Reward to good works and so hee doth reward them becaus of his goodnes and faithfulnes and not because he is addebted unto any of us otherwise then as hee hath bound himselfe by his promise And this is contrary to that â—alse Popish Doctrine which affirms that men deserve a Reward from God for good works upon the account of strict justice without respect to the Promise And if it be answered that all Papists doe not say so but are more moderate well then I say If some of them be moderate and passe from the erronious opinion of Popery and speake that which is true if others speake what is true also in that particular should the truth be accused and condemned for ranck Popery because some Papists at times confesse to it You your selvs know that Papists contradict one another in divers things and where men directly contradict one another one of the sides must speake true But as to that wherin the justification stands and on which it is grounded to wit Christ himselfe as in dwelling in the Saints none of all the Papists for ought wee ever heard or read doe owne it but are against it Againe as to the works by vvhich the Papists seeke to be justified they are such as vve beleive none can be justified by viz. their outward observations their invocation of Saints bovving to images saying Ave maries telling their Beads their Pilgrimages their whipping themselvs their keeping Lent and many other such like works of voluntary humility by which they seeke to be justified though they are evill vvorks as not done in the faith and povver of God nor does it serve thy turne to say that Papists think not that vvorks considered as evill and sinfull are sufficient to justify them for that is not the question vvhether the Papists think to be justified by vvorks sinfull and evill but this is the Question vvhether the Papists think to be justified by VVorks vvhich are really sinfull and evill hovvever they may imagine them to be good and herein I say vvee differ vastly from Papists they think and seek to be justified by such VVorks as are evill in the sight of God vvhereas vvee beleive that by no such vvorks can any man be justified Other vveighty differences cold be shevved in relation to this matter but vvhat is here in short declared may suffice to evince that vvee differ vvidely from the Papists concerning justification Thirdly looke hovv near a kin yee are to Papists as in many other things So in these relating to justification First doe yee not say that yee are not justified by Christ in dvvelling in you so say the Papists Secondly Doe yee not say that the vvay to attaine to a state of justification is not by beleiving in the VVord of faith vvhich is in every man and in the Light vvhere vvith Christ has enlightned every man that coms into the vvorld And so say the Papists vvho though they talk of universall Grace yet they deny that this Vniversall Grace is an Evangelicall principle of Light by beleiving in which men can attaine unto a state of justification immediatly 3. Doe yee not say that Gods act of justification is not an immediat testimony of his Spirit declaring or pronouncing men righteous And so say the Papists 4. Doe yee not say that men are not to know their justification or that they are in a justified state by an immediate testimony of the Spirit in them by vvay of object for this vvere to assert immediate revelation so doe the Papists So by these fevv instances given here and by many other instances given by others in other particulars try your selvs and first clear your selvs of Popery before you or thou doest throvv it upon us Now wher as thou alledgest that the Apostle in the matter of justification excluds all works even those of Christ his working in the Saints and which they work in him 'T is falfe nor doe the Scriptures cited by thee prove thy intent as Rom. 3. 20 gal 2. 16. Tit. 3. 5. thou sayest the Apostle speaks of works in generall without any limitation But herein thou contradictest the very expresse
seeketh after miracles and though Miracles should be given they who will not beleive the testimony of the Spirit of God in their consciences bearing witnesse to the truth will not also beleive becaus of Miracles as wee see plainly in the Jewes And whereas thou sayest Iohns immediate call is evident by the special predictions both of Malachy and Isayas concerning him So are there many speciall predictions concerning the Lord his pouring forth of his Spirit upon many in these latter dayes to prophecy or minister as the Spirit should putt words into their mouths And as for these Scripturs Tit. 1. 5. Ast. 14. 23. which thou bringst in the Fifth place they prove not that those Elders had not the Authority and call of the Spirit of God in themselves And whereas in the Sixth place thou sayest though Ministers be set apart and ordained by men yet their Ministry is not from men but from God I answer where the inward call and Authority of the Spirit of God is not witnessed it cannot be said to be of God And though Moses be said to consecrate Aaron yet it doth not follovv that Aaron had no immediat call from God Seventhly thou sayest The ministry is so necessary that it is the will of Iesus Christ that it should continue unto the end of the VVorld Eph. 5. 12. 13. But thy proofe from that Scripture is altogether impertinent as to you vvho believe not that the Saints can be perfected in this life seeing the Ministry is given for the perfecting of them And that this perfection is on Earth is clear from the follovving verse That hence forth wee be no more as Children tossed to and fro for in the other life there is no hazard of being so tossed And if the Ministry perfected not men in this life it no where perfecteth them for in the other life it hath no operation upon them The Law and Priesthood therof was abolished becaus it made nothing perfect and if the Gospell Ministrie should not make perfect it should also be abolished And seeing your Ministrie perfecteth not it is not the true Ministrie of the Gospell as indeed it is not for it standeth not in the power of God nor is it exercised in the will motion of God your Ministrie being such that the whole ESSE or BEING of it may be without saving grace or true holines you expresly affirming that holines is not necessary to the being of a Minister but that a man may be a Minister of the Gospell who ought to be received and heard though hee have not the least graine of holines Eighthly thou sayest they who cast off the Ministerie of the word wrong their owne soules c. Ansvv. if it be understood of the Ministry of Christ it is granted but of yours it is denyed In the Fifth place Pag. 44 Thou vvouldst prove that the Lords people are under a tye engagement to keep the first day of the vveek for a Sabbath For a First Reason thou sayest the Fourth commandement requires the keeping holy of one day of seven but as it requires the observation of one day of seven so it expresly instanceth that day to be the seventh vvhich day yee keep not vvherfor as to the Second Reason If the command be morall and perpetuall as thou callest it it ought to be kept in every point of it vvhich yee not doing therein condemne your selves but the outvvard Sabbath or the keeping one day of the vveek for a Sabbath is not perpetuall but abolished together vvith the new moons and other feasts of the Jevves see Coloss. 2. 16. 17. Let no man judge yâ—u in meat or drink or holy day or new moone or sabbath dayes which are a shadow of things to come See also Rom. 14. vvhich plainly holds forth all dayes under the Gospel to be alike and said Paul to the Galathians yee observe dayes c. I am afrayd of you For a Third Reason thou sayest that Iesus Christ plainly intimates the continuance of a Sabbath becaus that speaking of the desolation of Ierusalem he said pray â—hat your flight be not in the winter nor on the Sabbath day Ansvv. but that Sabbath day is neither here nor else vvhere said to be the first day of the vveke The Jevves vvere to fly at that time and Christ holds forth their difficulties that it should be grievoâ—s unto them to be put to it to fly on their Sabbath day or be killed For they kept it in the strictnesse of it but as for any of your Sabbath keepers they are not so strait-laced but they will doe lesse necessary things then to fly from a danger on that day And as the outward Jew deâ—ireth that hee may not be putt to fly on his outward Sabbath so the inward Iew in Spirit desireth much more that hee may keep his Sabbath which is his Spirituall rest in Christ that the enemy oft seeketh to breake to cause him to fly on his Sabbath day but this to you is a Mistery Viz. what the Sabbath of them who beleive is Heb. 4. 9. 10. There remaineth therfor a Sabbatism to the people of God and hee that is entred into his rest hath ceased from his owne works as God did from his And that this Sabbath or rest is not an outward day is plaine becaus in the next verse hee saith let us labour therefore to enter into that rest But if it were an outward day it might be easily entred into but this is such a rest as none can enter into who hearken not to the voice of the Lord by beleiving and obeying it For a Fourth Reason thou sayest though yee keep not the same day the Iewes did yee have the same authority for keeping your day that they had for theirs Hence this day that wee keep sayest thou is called the Lords day Rev. 1. 10. it being set apart by the Lord for his service and as a Special memorial of his Resurrection Answ. but for all this here is no probation at all but meer assertions If yee have the same Authority produce it and let us see it Iohn was in the Spirit on the Lords day therfor the first day of the week ought to be kept how hangs this together Prove that Iohn meant the first day of the week wee read much in Scripture of the day of the Lord which is the Lords day but no where doe find it called the first day of the week or any other naturall day For it is spirituall and as God called the naturall light day so hee calleth the Spirituall light of his appearance where the Sun of righteousnes ariseth with healing under his wings Day And this is the day of the Lord wherin his people rejoice and are glad And whereas thou sayest it is set apart by the Lord as a Speciall memoriall of his resurrection This is thy naked assertion without any shadow of proofe if thou wilt say that therefore it is to be a holy