Selected quad for the lemma: spirit_n
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A45319
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A short answer to the tedious Vindication of Smectymnvvs by the avthor of the Humble remonstrance.; Works. 1648
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Hall, Joseph, 1574-1656.
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Wing H417; ESTC R4914
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