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A44501 The Quakers proved deceivers and such as people ought not to listen to, or follow, but to account accursed, in the management of a charge formerly given out against them to that effect, by J. Horne, preacher of the gospel at South-Lin in Norfolke. Which charge was managed and made good by him against George Whitehead, in the chancel of South-Lin, before some hundreds of people, Jan. 13. 1659. to the great baffling of the said George Whitehead and his party, through the merciful and gracious hand of the Lord appearing for his truth and servants therein, as is known to, and witnessed by the generality of the audience of understanding. Published as a warning to all to beware of the said people called Quakers, and their erroneous principles herein also in part discovered. Horn, John, 1614-1676. 1660 (1660) Wing H2807; ESTC R221604 29,025 16

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that I am and he was led captive by the Law of sin and death T.M. Where sayes he That he was led captive by it He sayes He found a law in his members leading him captive to the law of sin and death but where sayes he that he was led G.W. He sayes With his flesh he served the law of sin so then he was led by it and could do against the truth Doth not fin do against the truth J.H. But Paul sayes not That his flesh or members waited for the adoption the redemption of his body but that he himself waited for it and though his flesh served the law of sin yet that was not he that did it but fin that dwel● in him T.M. While he waited for the adoption the Redemption of the body though fin acted in him yet he did not walk after it but was led by the Spirit and so could do nothing against the truth or to that purpose G.W. George still pleaded That his members the creature that waited for the redemption could do someth●ng against the truth till it was deliver'd from the bondage to corruption and then it had the Redemption of the body for which he waited T.M. Paul while he waited for the Redemption of the body was led by the Spirit of G●d and such as are the sons of God and they that are born of God cannot sin or do any thing against the truth or to that purpose G.W. still insisted upon the creature waiting to be deliver'd that it night a●d that Pauls 〈…〉 which were yet in bondage to corruption might act against the truth not receiving the A●●wer given That th● was not he that did it but sin that dwelt in him ●nd so 〈…〉 him 〈◊〉 That such as are led by the Spirit and are sons of God 〈◊〉 at such and so in 〈…〉 Paul sayes it of himself do any thing against the truth but for it 〈◊〉 at is not find in his heart to yeild up to sin inticing or striving in his members to do any thing against it Besides a by-Note Paul sayes in the same Chapter vers 35 36 37. That he was perswaded nothing could seperate them from the love of God in Christ Jesus and therefore 〈◊〉 he could then do nothing against the truth but for it But this that G.W. pleaded clearly argued their gross corruption in not believing the Redemption of the body from death and grave and that made him put it upon a Redemption of Pauls members only from sin from which yet that he was perfectly freed as ●o its inherency in him before death he was not able to prove J.H. calling oftentimes to be heard by G.VV. what he had said and had to say and G. going on in a discourse to no purpose about the creature being in a travail and waiting for th● Redemption and applying that to Pauls body or members to be redeem'd from sin and acting then ag●st he truth J.H. said I came here to prove you Deceivers and to make good my charge and 〈…〉 heard wha● I have to say Thereupon J. Lee without our approbation called out to him and said G.VV. why caust thou not bee patient now and hear what is said to thee as well as thou 〈…〉 other day with Mr. F. G.W. Here G.VV. could hear that and take occasion to spend a little time in commending 〈◊〉 as he call'd him as better and more moderate than we J.H. We are not desirous of thy commendations or think them any great praise to us if 〈…〉 them I came here to make good my charge against yon and you run on to other things and 〈◊〉 not hear what I say to you That which thou talkest of the creatures groaning and waiting 〈◊〉 deliverance is a distinct thing from what we have in hand and pertains not to Pauls waiting for the deliverance in his body or members thou talkst of read the Text and here J. H read the 〈…〉 8.19 The earnest exspectation of the creatures waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God The creature that waiteth for the manifestation of the Sons of God is distinguished from the Sons of God to be manifested and is not the Sons of God themselves and so in vers 21. The creature itself shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the Sons of God See the same distinction again And th●n again when he had said The whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together untill now he adds And not only they but we our selves also who have received the first fruits 〈◊〉 the spirit See an evident distinction between the creature before-mentioned and that travailed in pain about which thou mak●st a stir and Paul and the Believers that waited for the Redemption of the body from mortality and corruption they were the Sons of God to be manifested and being sons of God born of God could then do nothing against the truth but for it in such sense as he that is born of God sinneth not nor can sin and yet they had the Redemption of the body as a father thing to wait for And therefore that saying That he could do nothing against the truth but for it proves not that he could do not that he had in this life the Redemption he here speaks of Prove that Paul had this Redemption of his body before he dyed or else own the charge proved The people calling upon him to make good that or else own the charge made good he replyed G.W. If I should own that he hath made good his Charge against me I should prove J.H. to contradict himself for he saies in his Paper That people should not hear us and yet you and he would have me answer that you might hear me what I have to say He read the Paper G.W. jangling with some of the people about that frivolous put off J.H. called to be heard and answered thus J.H. I did explain the meaning of that word when I writ the Paper and gave it out and desired I might by hearing be understood to listen to and receive your Doctrine as I appeal to Esq Sho●ter if he be here G.W. Then people you may see his deceit that he w●ires one thing and means another that is not here vvritten for here it is hear J.H. I gave my meaning to the vvord expresly vvhen I gave my Paper to G.F. and Ed Shitter nor did I publish the Paper G.W. Many have seen it J.H. I gave it to none but Ed. Sheoter or G. Fox and gave my sense to them vvith it If they shevved it many that vvas their act T.M. The next vvords explain the meaning because it follovvs but to account them accursed It is not so to hear as to receive them People This is a mere cavil Let him ansvver to the business in hand or yeild the 〈◊〉 pr●oved G.W. Do you think I vvill grant or ovvn That people should count us 〈◊〉 J.H. I do not think you vvill nor did