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A31362 The moderate enquirer resolved in a plain description of several objections which are summed up together and treated upon by way of conference, concerning the contemned [sic] people commonly called Quakers who are the royal seed of God and whose innocency is here cleared in the answers to the many objections that are frequently produced by their opponents : which may be profitable for them to read that have any thing against them, and useful for all such as desire to know the certainty of those things which are most commonly reported of them / written in behalf of the brethren, in vindication of the truth, by VV. C. Caton, William, 1636-1665. 1658 (1658) Wing C1515; ESTC R29186 28,001 70

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live in the life of immortality which was made manifest in the Saints of old so that the same light life spirit and power is now made manifest among the Saints and to the truth of this these people can set their seals who are made partakers of the same according to their measure Enq. Have they then revelations now by the same Spirit Or is there any miracles wrought among them by the same power Res. Yea they have revelations by the same spirit which revealed the my●teries of God in former ages to the Saints for if they had not revelations how should they come to the knowledg of the Father whom none knows but by the revelation of the Son and by the mighty power of God miracles hath been wrought amongst them and miraculous things hath been brought to pass in a mystery which is hid from all vulterous eyes living and they are privy to these things who are witnesses of the power of God which hath wrought them but from scoffers scorners dispisers and wonderers these things are concealed Enq. But such would have a sign that they might believe and be convert●d also would they not Res. Yea but none must be given them but that of Ionah for they are of the adulterous generation that seeketh one saying Shew us a sign or work us a miracle that we may believe that your God is the living God and that he hath sent you c. Now they that will not believe and be converted without a sign would no more believe be converted if one were shewed them then they would have been perswaded to have repented by one that had been raised up from the dead when they rejected Moses and the Prophets Luke 16. 31. Enq. But thou spake of miracles being wrought among these people do they all work miracles Is the gift of prophesie given to all Or have they diversity of gifts Res. They do not all work Miracles neither do they all prophesie for they have differences of administrations but the same Lord diversities of operations but the same God who hath given to one by the Spirit the Word of Wisdom to another the Word of Knowledge by the same Spirit to another discerning of Spirits so that they have received diversities of gifts but the same Spirit Enq. Have not every one of them received● according to their ability and are they not in several states and conditi●ns Res. Yea some of them have received one talent some two some five and they boast not of that which they have because they have received it from him who is the giver of every good and perfect gift their conditions are also divers for there are fathers young men and babes among them and some there are who do not yet witness the birth brought forth which is begotten by the immortal Word of life no●v he that is the strongest among men will bear with the weakest and he that is the greatest among them will become servant to the least and when one among them is overtaken with a fault they that are spiritual doth restore such an one with the Spirit of meekness for sometimes they that are weak among them doth that which the witness of God in them alloweth not to the witness they consent wch convinceth them of the evil that they do through weakness which their soul hates and a law in their members they find which warreth against the law of their mind by which they are somtimes brought into captivity to the law of sin so that they cry out as Paul did in his warfare O wretched man that I am c. yet herein they find comfort that with their minds they serve the law of God though with their flesh in which no good thing dwelleth the law of sin these are such as are not yet come through the law nor to the end of the warfare but finds daily the flesh lusting against the spirit and the spirit against the flesh Enq. Well is not that a good condition Did ever any Saint come further in this life Or are any of these people made free from the law of sin by any other law Res. The time of the warfare must be known and passed through by as many as comes to be made free through him who is the end of the Law for righteousness sake and he that is faithful to the Lord in the light which brings to the warfare the same will bring him through the warfare yea to the Law of the spirit of life by which some of the people are made free from the law of sin and death in Christ Jesus and this the Saints witnessed in whom the righteousness of the Law was fulfilled through which they are come unto him who is the end of the Law and the Prophets by whom they are made free from the Law that being dead wherein they were held and they become dead to it by the body of Christ which was made a curse for them to redeem them from the curse of the Law so that they are now no more under the Law but under Grace Enq. But what do they expect to be perfect or free from sin in this life What ground have they for this in Scripture Was such a state ever commanded or witnessed by any of whom the Scripture doth speak Res. That which is perfect is manifested in them and by that they wait to be perfected for perfection is that which they earnestly press after and have hope to attain unto the fulness of it for they do believe that God would not command and require that of men which could not possibly be attained for he that said Be ye perfect as your heavenly Father which is in heaven is perfect he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified and among such as were sanctified and perfected for ever did Paul preach wisdom their perfection he wished who had not then attained to it but were pressing after it as many of these people are now who expecteth to be made free from sin as the Saints were Rom. 6. 18. and by the blood of Jesus they hope to be cleansed from all sin that being throughly sanctified and cleansed with the washing of water through the Word they might be presented to him a glorious people not having spot or wrinkle nor any such thing but that they might be holy perfected for ever but this seems incredible unto many who are not yet come to the godly sorrow for sin which worketh repentance but these people whose eyes the Lord hath opened do see a possibility in the thing they are not without faith but that they shall obtain it and therefore go they on unto it and will proceed if the Lord permit who hath manifested that in them which is perfect by which he will bring them and hath brought some of them to the perfection of purity and to the beauty of holiness where Halelujah is sung unto the Most High Enq. 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who have never been baptized with outward Water since they believed Enq. Own they the Lords Supper Res. Yea the Supper of the Lord they own and at the Table of the Lord which is richly furnished they sit and do eat abundantly to the eternal refreshing of their souls Enq. Well but do they break bread and drink wine at that Table like as professed Christians do Res. The Bread that they break is the Body of Christ and the Cup that they drink is the Blood of Christ but many professed Christians who talks of the Lords Table discerns not his Body and so eats and drinks their own damnation yet notwithstanding Christians in Christ breaks one Bread and drinks of one Cup they have unity one with another even as these people do witness with whom Christ doth ●up and to the substance they are come and therefore go they not by Imitation ●ike as many do who are called Christians who yet never came to eat the flesh of Christ nor to drink his blood and therefore have they no life abiding in them Enq. But yet there is something more in which I desire also to be satisfied concerning these People for many exclaims out against them for judging and condemning others Now pray thee tell me what do they judge in others any thing besides that which is condemned in themselves Res. Nay It is that onely to wit deceit and unrighteousness which the judgements of the Lord hath passed upon in their own particular and when they meet with such as pleads for that which is ordained of old for condemnation perhaps they may sharply reprove them if they judge not the deceit in them then the party reproved being one that cannot stand in the judgement exclaims out against them as if they were censorious Judges and horrid blasphemers when they have judged and reproved nothing but deceit in them and that which is to be eternally condemned even the very same that is judged in their own particulars Enq. Well but duth not Christ say Iudge not that you be not judged And Paul saith The man that judgeth is inexcusable whosoever he is Res. Yea those are the words of Christ and Paul by the way take notice of the following words did not Christ there speak to the hypocrite that beheld the Mo●e that was in his brothers eye but considered not the beam that was in his own eye And ●ake Paul's words also as they are Thou art inexcusable O man saith he whosoever thou art that judgest for wherein thou ●●udgest another mark wel thou condem●nest thy self for thou that judgest dost the ●●ame things There is now the man that is ●nexcusable who judgeth another for that which he is guilty of himself and if thou ●or any man can tax these people in this ●hen say that they are inexcusable who are ●●ound guilty in this thing Enq. There is another thing which men ●●ath against them which is this They say ●hat they will not respect persons but to a Prince or Lord or whatsoever that he is they will say Thee and Thou to him and stand with ●heir Hats on in his presence as if he were a ●an of no reputation Is this true Res. He who is their God who hath ●ade of one blood all Nations of men for ●o dwell upon the face of the earth he is no respecter of persons and if they who ●are his people should have respect to persons they should commit sin and would be convinced of the Law as Transgressors and for them to have respect of persons that were not good and as for the properness of Thee and Thou I have shewed thee before And vvhy may not they stand vvith their hats on in the presence of the greatest man upon the face of the earth ●e●ing that they stand daily covered in the presence of their God vvhose Name is the Lord of Hosts vvho filleth Heaven and Earth in vvhom they honor all men vvithout the respecting of any ones person or the greatness and magnificency of any for vvhat is man but dust and vvherefore should he be adored by his Fellovv-creature as if honor pertained to him vvhich indeed is onely due to his Creator vvho formed him of the dust to vvhich he must return and then his honor shall be laid in the dust vvith him Enq Well but hear these people say that they are moved of the Lord to do this and the other and that they are sent of God to publish his truth now if this were true they should turn many from their wickedness should they not Res. The truth they must acknowledge whether they before whom it is acknowledged can bear it or no the which truth hath been often rejected by such as resist the Holy Ghost by the which these peo●le have been often moved to declare un●● the sons of Adam their sin and to shew ●hem their transgression and to exhort ●em to repentance amendment of life ●nd many have been turned from darkness 〈◊〉 light from the power of Satan unto God by those among them that were sent 〈◊〉 publish his Tr●th and to preach his e●erlasting Gospel unto the Spirits in Pri●●n yea thousands are converted tur●ed from iniquity and wickedness and are ●rought to serve God in purity and holy●ess in his own Temple and therefore they ●ave not run as uncertainly or without ●●●ding neither have they fought as one ●●at beateth the air for they who are tur●ed from wickedness by them are the seal 〈◊〉 their Apostleship in the Lord Enq. It is said that they permit women to ●eak or prophesie among them Is not that ex●es●y against the Scripture For did not Paul 〈◊〉 that he would not permit a woman to speak 〈◊〉 the Church And where do they read of any ●omen in the New-Testament that prophesied Res. For Women to prophesie upon ●hom the Spirit of the Lord is poured out ● not expresly against the Scripture but a ●●●filling of the Scripture for the Scripture ●ith That is shall come to pass afterward ●●at I the Lord will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh your sons your daughters shall prophesie Now the fulfilling of this these people do witness who will no● permit a Woman upon whom the spir●● of the Lord is not poured out to speak in the Church but notwithstanding every Sister in Christ upon whom the spirit of the Lord is poured out who by that spirit is moved to prophesie they forbid not fo● the same Paul that did not permit a Woman to speak in the Church he wrote un●to the Church that they should not quench the spirit nor despise Prophesie neither do we read that he nor none of his company did forbid Philip's daughters to prophesie Acts 21. 8 9. who were Virgins and four in number upon whom the spirit of the Lord was poured out who wil say that he would have quenched the spirit in Phoebe if she had been moved by it to prophesie in that Church of