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A42464 Mysterious cloudes and mistes, shunning the cleer light, a little further disclosed in a short answer to Mr. John Simpsons long appendix, entituled, Truth breaking forth through a cloud and mist of slanders, wherein the charge of slander, so far as it concerneth, both himself and some others, is taken of and removed / by Tho. Gataker ... Gataker, Thomas, 1574-1654. 1648 (1648) Wing G324; ESTC R21793 15,658 16

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or proceeding to examination of witnesses they were by the Committee entreated to deliver their minds in writing for the better clearing of themselves concerning such points as were suggested to have been either taught or maintained by some of them or to go for currant among their followers that so the businesse might be in a fair and friendly way if it were possible composed without proceeding in any such judiciary course But this they utterly at first refused to doe nor without much urging and pressing by the Committee could be induced at length to condescend unto And when they had by such importunity been drawn to undertake it and a day assigned them to bring in their answer how willing or desirous they were to clear what they had taught or to make manifest what their mind and judgement was may appear by their answers returned to some of the Questions in writing delivered unto them which out of the Copies remaining in the worthy Chairmans hands I shall here word for word insert Question 1. Whether the morall Law did oblige a beleeving Iew to obedience Answer That the beleeving Iew before Christ if any such one was meant was kept under the Law shut up unto the faith that should after be revealed Gal. 3.23 Quest 2. Whether the morall Law doth now as strongly oblige a beleeving Christian to obedience Answ That the beleeving Christian after Christs death if any such one be meant is not under the Law but under grace Ro. 6.14 Quest 3. Whether a beleever be bound to conform his life to the morall Law because God in that Law requires it Answ That the righteousnesse of the Law is fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit Rom. 8.4 I through the Law am dead to the Law that I may live unto God Gal. 2.19 Quest 4. Whether he that maketh the Law his Rule be a Papist in heart whatever he be in practise Answ That though the Law be an eternall Rule of righteousnesse yet he that putteth himself under it contrary to Paul is so farre a Papist Quest 5. Whether the Law be a Rule by which unbeleevers shall be condemned and not a Rule by which they ought to walk Answ The Law abstracted from Christ is no Rule for unbeleevers to walk by for life Quest 6. Whether a beleever may make threatnings a motive to deterre him from sin and the promises a motive to encourage him to duty Ans. That to serve God for the hope of a legall reward and for fear of legall punishment is no Christian service or in Mr. Tindalls words That to serve God for fear of hell or the joyes of heaven are but shadows of good works Quest 7. Whether Peters person sinned in denying Christ or his flesh only Ans. That as it was in Paul so in Peter No longer I but sin that dwelleth in me Rom. 7.17 Quest 8. Whether a beleever in sinning breaks any morall Law Ans. Sinne is the transgression of the Law 1 Joh. 3.4 Quest 9. Whether when Peter wept bitterly for denying Christ he did it out of weaknesse of faith or duty to God Answ Peters weeping might be from weak faith and so from fear or from strong faith and so from love but whether we know not only we hope it was an Evangelicall duty· Quest 10. Whether a beleever be as well pleasing to God in the act of adultery or murder as before Quest 11. Whether a beleever in the act of adultery or murder may see the discharge of that sin in Christ and his part in Christ before his repentance and humiliation for it as well as after all the humiliation in the world Ans. 1. They are framed in very odious and ambiguous terms 2. That a true beleever seldome or never falls into such wilfull scandalous wickednesse because the love of Christ constrains him far above all legall motives 3. That if perhaps a beleever should fall so yet ought he not to adde infidelity to this other sinne Quest 12. Whether a beleever in the act of adultery or murder may enjoy as sweet communion with God as in the performance of any holy duty Ans. That the repetition of it is unfit for any Christian mouth and eare Quest 13. Whether God doth chasten a beleever for sin Ans. That the chastisement of our peace was upon him that is Christ and that by his stripes we are healed Esay 53.5 Quest 14. Whether a beleever falling into sinne ought not to pray for the actuall pardon of it in the sight of God or only for the manifestation of it to his own conscience and the continuation of it Ans. That when it shall be explained to us out of the Scripture what is meant by actuall pardon and what by the sight of God then shall we be better able to answer to this proposition Quest 15. Whether there ought to be dayes of fasting and humiliation appointed under the Gospell Ans. We know nothing to the contrary Quest 16. Whether a Christian ought to afflict his soul with sorrow for sin in a day of humiliation and whether it be sin to sorrow for sinne Ans. That all humiliation and sorrow for sin which is not of faith is sin Quest 17. Whether a beleever humbling himself for sin in these sad dayes seeking Gods face and returning unto him may not expect a blessing from God and the Nation for Christs sake in so doing and whether the doing of these duties for this end be the cause why our fasting and Prayer prevailes no more with God for the healing of the land Ans. That although a man pretend to humble himself yet if he make his humiliation repentance and reformation a fortresse and tower of defence the munition armour and wall of brasse to defend the Kingdome and Nation if he makes his repentance of such omnipotent efficacy that there is no thunder-bolt so great no wrath so furious in God but it will abolish it without so much as mentioning the Lord Iesus who only delivereth us from the wrath to come who if he had not delivered us from the desert of the sinfulnesse of our humiliation repentance and reformation the just wages thereof would have been everlasting fire we beleeve such humiliation is neerer the pride of Lucifer then true Christian humiliation 2. That among the great sinnes of the Kingdome we beleeve that the great esteem dignifying and exalting of our own works doings and duties to make our peace with God is a dethroning our great and only peace-maker and thereby a most dangerous enemy to the peace of this Kingdome Now besides that from some of these Questions it may be observed what wholesome and savoury documents their followers at least deduce from the tenents by these men maintained to let I say that passe let any intelligent and indifferent reader judge by most of their Answers whether these men desired to have men know their mind and judgement as this man pretendeth that his desire and endeavour was