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A54003 A just rebuke to one & twenty learned and reverend divines (so called) being an answer to an abusive epistle against the people call'd Quakers subscrib'd by : Thoman Manton, Thomas Jacomb, John Yates, John Sheffield, Anthony Palmer, Thomas Cole, Thomas Doelittel, Richard Baxter, William Cooper, George Griffith, Matthew Barker, John Singleton, Andrew Parsons, Richard Mayo, Thomas Gouge, William Jenkyn, Thomas Watson, Benjamin Needler, William Carslake, Stephen Ford, Samuel Smith / by William Penn. Penn, William, 1644-1718. 1674 (1674) Wing P1131; ESTC R208998 24,420 33

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them you must needs have offered great Violence to your Understandings in giving your Approbation which anon we shall so undeniably evidence as it would have been comparatively your Virtue to have recommended the Book without reading it or examining the Citations Besides the most of what he chargeth upon us to be our Principles are not so laid down by any one of us nor say we sayable by any of us upon our real Principles but are such Consequences as he through Ignorance or Malice hath indirectly drawn from our Words For Instance That there is no other Judgment Heaven or H●ll then what is within us in this Life Which is so far from being our Principle in Our Words that it is as inconsistent with the Truth of our Creed as Darkness is with Light Charge this upon him and he will tell you I doubt not That this is not the Quakers Faith in terminis but the Consequence of it but then it is to be observed that he must have the making of it I would fain know of you if you would be so treated with the Respect to the Articles of your own Creed Would you esteem it just in me to give my Consequence for your Principle supposing I thought it a true Consequence especially if you reject it For Example You are most if not all of you strict Calvinists in the Point of Election and Reprobation would you take it for a candid Representation of your Judgment that I should proclaim it to the World T. Manton T. Jac●mb c. believe That God is the Author of Sin That God's Secret Will crosseth his Revealed Will That no Man is oblieged by the Laws either of God or men That Men are not the Cause of their own Destruction That there are neither Rewards nor Punishments c. because perhaps I believe those Consequences to be deducible from the Calvinistical Principle I am perswaded you would look upon me as an Injurious Person in so doing yet this hath been the Practice of your Reverend Author J. Faldo and which is le●s to your Credit you have notwithstanding commended him in it which how well it suits with On● and Twenty Learned and Reverend Divines I leave to their Judgment who understand what Persons of such a Character ought to do and be But I hope you do not think this to be Imitating of God if you do your Case is desperate But ●ad your Carriage been less blamable in these Particulars it had not only been your Discretion but Duty to have enquired if ever any thing had been writ in Answer to this Discourse you recommend by any of that People that it was writ against if there had to have procured and perused it before you had so freely spent your peremptory Judgment against us You generally fling Infallibility at us though it be about Matters of highest Importance to Salvation as if it were a Capital Sin to be assured of what a Christian ought not to make a Doubt of and yet nothing below asscribing such an Infallibility to your Reverend Author can excuse you in not examining him by our Discourses before you conferr'd so kind ●n Epistle upon his Book I ask you if the like Practice would please you in your own Ca●e you have prov'd it doth in ours which makes not for your Honour Some of you are Writers your selves and thereby have ascended to no small Degree of Fame for some thing or other tell me honestly if you would think it a Piece of Justice in any Class of Men to recommend a Book most abusive of your Religion to the World for an Ingenious Essay an Exact Account of your Belief a Tract that in Matter Proof and Style your own Words merits the Notice of all such as desire an Information concerning your Principles of Religion whilst you both disown the Principles of Religion it calls yours and in Two large Answers have detected him of several hundred Miscarriages against your Persons and Principles I am perswaded you will provide better for your selves But if you must needs be so liberal me thinks your Recommendation had been better bestow'd upon his Vindication since his writing That proveth This wanted it and if it wanted it then it wants it still and yet it seems the Book Vindicated must be the Defence of the Vindication and all the Return I am like to have to my Rejoynder bating The Epistle of many L●arned Reverend and Worthy Divines in Praise of such a Book and ●uch an Author May none of you at least in this Temper be Inquisitors when I am to be examin'd for my Religion I shall now fall more closely to the Matter of your Epistle One and Twenty Divines The Quakers preach another Gospel and endeavour to seduce well-meaning Souls to whom they speak in unintelligible Words and from whom they hide the Poyson of their Antifundamental Doctrines W.P. Here is a great deal in a little and very sowerly said Were it as True as it is False the Day were yours You say We preach another Gospel You do but Say it and I thank God You can Do no more But doth it become One and Twenty Learned and Reverend Divines to give so general and black a Charge without making any the least Offer to Prove it Is not this to Calumniate rather then to ●onfute us If you say your Reverend Author John Faldo hath done it for you I must tell you that he is an Irreverent Abuser of God the Christian Religion and the Quakers and which is more to my Contentment whatever it be to his and yours Some and No Quakers too think I have prov'd him such And let me ask you If it be Another Gospel To own Remission and Eternal Salvation by the Son of God both as he appear'd above 1600 Years ago in the Flesh and as he reveals himself within in Power and Spirit What is the Gospel or Glad Tidings but Deliverance from Sin here and Wrath to come And what can effect this but the Powerful Grace of God that bringeth Salvation which is dispens'd by Him to all men who is full of Grace and Truth For the other part of your Accusation That we should Say one thing Mean another It is by Consequence to call us the worst sort of Knaves by how much a Deception in matters of Eternal Moment is more impious then any Cozennage about things of this Life and yet you would be thought Charitable Men and say We want it Is this the Way to supply us But I would willingly know of you By what Skill you arrive at the Knowledge of our Hearts Inspiration is one part of our Heresy if your Reverend Author is to be credited The Scripture can not be your Rule in the Point for that nowhere saith The Quakers Say one thing and Mean another and if you measure us by our Words you must grant that either you do not understand us or we mean very Good Things for you elsewhere say That our
been who have sacrificed Vniversal Love Natural Affection Relation the Liberties and Lives of Men diff●rently perswad●d to the Promotion of your so much Beloved Interests Remember T. Edward's Gangraen and the London-Ministers Petition and the New-England Tragedy How exceeding short doth this fall of the Admirable Sweetness of his Nature who is Lord of the Christian-Religion that was so far from Indulging Hatred to his Conscientious Friends that he forbid it to his greatest Enemies Can you call for Fire from Heaven upon Dissenters and rather then not compass their Destruction kindle Fire on Earth to devour them and yet with any the least Pretence to Modesty cheek others for Incharity and S●paration But take this with you that good Notions will signifie little to the Comfort of an ill Soul at God's Bar it will not be Well H●ld but Well Done Good and Faithful Servant Preferring Opinion before Piety hath filled the World with Perplexing Controversies and Mens Censures have been according to Notion not according to Conversation It is not what Works but what Faith though Works best of all define and evidence what Faith is But this Age hath no Kindness for Good Works the more the Pitty Loose Men slight them in Life and you in Doctrine A Man cannot plead for them but at the Hazard of being counted a Papist Tell you such an one is a Virtuous Person and you an●wer us commonly He is a Good Moral Man but he hath no Saving Grace as if Grace and Morality were at as great Distance as London and Constantinople These Notions have abused Religion and greatly injured the Souls of People 1. By giving them to conceit themselves Christians though Vnlike Christ 2. In Distinguishing between a Good Man and a Christian from whence hath flown that Stinginess of Spirit that denies any to have Saving Grace that fall not in with their Principles and so divides Gr●ee from Virtue which God hath Inseparably joyned This is the Doctrine that deceiveth Men which make them too great for the rest of Mankind Moral Men are no Company for them they may be that and go to Hell for their Pains if what some of you say be true It is the Presbyterians special Grace that saveth for Morality's Part alas she is a poor Heathen an Alien an Infidel without the Pale of the Church and Mercies of the Covenant but then it is to be understood of the Scotch One Oh I beseech you for the sake of Jesus Christ by whom alone God will judge you and I in the Dreadful Day of Account let the Vniversal Principle in your Consciences have Power with you the Divine Fruit of which is first A Discovery of Duty to be done and as clo●ed with there next Power and Ability to perform it which strips you of Self and Glorying in it and will work all necessary Works In you and For you It will first correct and then comfort you Its Wayes are Wayes of Pleasantness and all her Paths are Peace To Faith it adds Virtue to Virtue Knowledge to Knowledge Temperance and to Temperance Patience and to Patience Godliness to Godliness Brotherly-Kindness and to Brotherly-Kindness CHARITY Contend not against it your Credit is a Temptation to you sacrifice it for the sake of your own and other Mens Souls upon the Altar self-Denyal and that Humble and Heavenly Obedience you owe to the God of the whole Earth and think not Repentance a Work to Mean for you because you have been so long Preachers of it to others your Time hastens on and in the Grave it will be too late If it was John's Honour to receive him when he came in Flesh let it not be your Judgment to reject his coming in Spirit God knows I have no Ill-will but much Kindness for you I wish you were as truly taught of him as you are great Teachers of others could my Desires prevail you should be such upon better Terms but as Wo be unto them who are sent and don't preach so Wo be unto them who do preach and are not sent It is not hard in this Sense to be Righteous overmuch to be too Officious and to act Thanklesly for God Oh that we may all consider what we are Building with and whether our Works will stand the Tryal of God's Fire whose Terrible Day hastens upon the World in which he will severely plead with all Flesh that hath corrupted its Way before him as with the Gentile so with the Jew as with the Prophane so with the Professor VVho hath had a Name to live and yet will be found Dead who calls himself a Jew and yet is not a Christian and is not who runs and God hath not sent him who cryeth thus saith the Lord and God hath never spoaken by him Let us therefore be perswaded into a Serious Examination of our selves and Preparation for this Great and Notable Day of the Lord that the Sound of the last Amazing Trump may not surprize us or any of us be overtaken at unawares but in Godly Fear wait till our great Change comes that with Holy Habakkuk we may all find Rest to our Souls in the Day of Trouble Amen Your Friend in much Sincerity W.P. A POSTSCRIPT AS for his Appendix it s an arrant Cheat obtruded upon the Reader The Title-Page be speaks it a new Piece whereas it is no other in the Matter and for a great Part of the Words of it then what hath been answered by me again and again It consists of two Parts 1. Two Letters of our Friends with his usual disingenuous Discants which Letters are justify'd from his Black Imputations in my Rejoy●der and another Discourse call'd Judas and the Jews The second Part of the Appendix is a Collection of our Principles which both in my Answer and Rejoynder I have prov'd to be his own Indirect Foul Consequences from our R●al Principles which lye at his Door or rather now at his One and Twenty Learned and Reverend Divines that have so Imprudently espoused his Cause and recommended his Endeavours Qu. no Chr. pag. 45. My Answer pag. 42. Rejoynder pag. 60 61 62. Rejoy ibid. Qu. no Chr. p. 117 119 My Rejoynder from pag. 141. to 157. Qu. no Chr. pag. 41. Answ p. 35. Rejo. p. 424. Vind. p. 50. Rejo. p. 194 195. Qu. no Chr. part 3. p. 88. Answ p. 250. Qu. no Chr. pag. 89. Answ p. 251 252. Rejoy p. 395 396. Qu. no Chr pag. 163. Vindic. from p. 75. to 87. Rejo. p. 348 349 350. Qu. no Chr. p. 9 10. Answ p. 14. Rejo. p. 420. Qu. no Chr. pag. 190. Rejo. p. 126 127 425.