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A32902 A testimony to the fulfilling the promise of God relating to such women who through the pouring out of Gods Spirit upon them are become prophetesses, daughters, and handmaidens and their prophecying, teaching, preaching,and praying through the operation of the Spirit of Christ, in the church proved lawfully by several plain Scripture testimonies and examples, out of both the Old and New Testaments, both under the time of the Law and also in the Gospel despensation, and the common objection alleged against the same from the Apostle Pauls words in I Cor. 14, 34 and I Tim. 2, 12 &c. clearly answered : recommended to the consciences of all that value the testimony of Holy Scripture / by one who hath diligently searched the Scripture, and hath had an high esteem thereof from his youth, Thomas Camm. Camm, Thomas, 1641-1707. 1689 (1689) Wing C396A; ESTC R5431 15,913 20

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to a great Reformation Moreover in Luke 2. you may read how that at the time that the Child Jesus was by the Parents brought into the Temple to do to him after the Custom of the Law There was one Anna a Prophetess a Widow of about Fourscore and Four Years old who departed not from the Temple but served God with Fasting and Praying day and night and in that instant with good old Simeon gave thanks likewise unto the Lord and spoke of Jesus there in the Temple Mark in the Temple to the Church or Congregation there yea to all them that looked for Redemption in Jerusalem now observe she was a Prophetess and departed not from the Temple then where did she Prophesie but in the Temple Pray in the Temple gave Thanks in the Temple and spake of Jesus in the Temple to all that looked for Redemption in Israel And we read not that any of the Priests or Ministers of the Temple did forbid Her neither good old Simeon that was filled with the Holy Ghost and came by the Spirit into the Temple and knew the Mind of God he did not forbid Her to Speak or Pray or Prophesie in the Temple the Church or Congregation no they joyned and was at unity in their Testimony in that blessed Spirit by whom both their Mouths were opened to speak in Prayer and Prophecying to Gods Glory and the Comfort and Edification of all that looked for Redemption by Jesus Christ in Israel Further you may read in Luke 1. how Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost and did Prophesie and Mary blessedly magnified the Lord what gracious Words proceeded from them through the operation of the holy Spirit that 's one in Male and Female Again in John. 4. it may be read how the Woman of Samaria that discoursed with Christ at Jacob's Well went into the City Syehar and Preached Christ to the Men therein and what an effectual Sermon it was though but short Come said she See a Man that hath told me all that ever I did Is not this the Christ and many of the Samaritans of that City believed on him for the Saying of the Woman which testified He told me all that ever I did now by what 's above-said it s plainly evinced that God in the time of the Law poured out of his Spirit upon Daughters and Handmaiden as well as upon Sons and Servants and they Prophesied Preached and Taught yea and Prayed too and Praised the Everlasting God in the Church or Congregation in the Temple and in the prefence of the High-priests and other Ministers of the Temple and we read not that they were for bidden But it may be Objected This was in the time of the Law but now the Gospel time is come and hath not Paul that was a Minister of the Gospel prohibited Womens Speaking in the Church in 1 Cor. 14.34 1 Tim. 2.12 c. To which is answered that by what 's above written its manifest how God did pour out of his Spirit upon some Women Daughters and Handmaidens according to measure in the time of the Law and they Preached or Prophesied and Taught in the Church or Congregation and Praised and magnified God there also through the operation of the Spirit then poured out upon them though but in the time of the Law which was to be fulfilled and come to an end mark that And then God promised that cannot lie to pour out of his Spirit more universally upon all Flesh as may be read in Joel 2. And it shall come to pass afterwards that I will pour out of my Spirit upon all Flesh and your Sons and your Daughters mark Daughters also shall Prophesie your old Men shall dream Dreams your young Men shall see Visions and also upon the Servants and upon the Handmaids mark Handmaids also in those days will I pour out my Spirit O blessed Promise to be fulfilled in the latter Days the Gospel Days yea the Apostle Peter bears Record to the fulfilling thereof as may be read in Acts 2. This is that saith he which is spoken by the Prophet Joel And it shall come to pass in the latter Days saith God I will pour out of my Spirit upon all Flesh and your Sons and your Daughters shall Prophesie and your young Men shall see Visions and your old Men shall dream Dreams and on my Servants and on my Handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit and they shall Prophesie mark God saith they shall Prophesie here is the time of the fulfilling of the Promise this is the Gospel Day wherein Daughters and Handmaidens is to Prophesie more universally then in the time of the Law though then God poured out of his Spirit upon some and they Prophesied as before said This is so glorious a Dispensation that the Apostle Paul saith You may all mark all Prophesie one by one yea he adviseth all to follow after Charity and desire after spiritual Gifts But rather saith he mark that that you may Prophesie for he that Prophesieth speaketh unto Men to Edification and Exhortation and Comfort yea he that Prophesieth Edifieth the Church 1 Cor. 14. Now that the Church might be thus Edified hath God Almighty in his infinite Kindness in this latter Day and Gospel Day poured out of his Spirit upon both Sons and Daughters and they may both Prophesie in the Church or Congregation yea God that 's above all hath said they shall Prophesie who therefore can limit the Spirit of the Almighty who can set bounds thereto it s one and the same in the Female as the Male and is through both to speak yea for all in this Church of God that hath the Spirit of God poured upon them may by the same Prophesie to Edification For you may all mark all Prophesie one by one that all may Learn and all may be Comforted c. 1 Cor. 14.31 For it s not the Woman that speaks but the Spirit of the Father through the Male and Female according to Christ's Saying in Mat. 10.20 It s not you saith Christ that speakes but the Spirit of the Father that speaketh in you Now it s not the Man nor the Woman that speaketh but the Spirit that God the Father hath poured upon Sons and Daughters Servants and Handmaids in this Gospel Day that Holy Day and Sabboth testified of in Isa 58.13 as followeth thus viz. If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabboth from doing thy Pleasure on my Holy Day and call the Sabboth a Delight the Holy of the Lord Honourable and shalt honour him not doing thine own Ways nor finding thine own Pleasure nor Speaking observe nor Speaking thine own Words here neither Man nor Woman is to speak their own Words for every Woman or Man either that speaks their own Words are forbidden to speak in the Church in the Congregation in the Meetings and Assemblies of Gods People for such regard not the Holy Sabboth the Gospel-Day and Holy in which
A TESTIMONY TO The fulfilling the Promise of God relating To such WOMEN WHO Through the pouring out of Gods Spirit upon them are become Prophetesses Daughters and Handmaidens And their Prophecying Teaching Preaching and Praying through the Operation of the Spirit of Christ in the Church proved lawfully by several plain Scripture Testimonies and Examples out of both the old and new Testaments both under the time of the Law and also in the Gospel Despensation And the common Objection alledged against the same from the Apostle Pauls words in 1 Cor. 14.34 and 1 Tim. 2.12 c. clearly answered Recommended to the Consciences of all that value the Testimony of holy Scripture by one who hath diligently searched the Scripture and hath had an high esteem thereof from his youth Thomas Camm This is that which is spoken by the Prophet Joel And it shall come to pass in the latter day saith God I will pour out of my Spirit upon all Flesh and your Sons and your Daughters shall Prophesie your young Men shall see Visions and your old Men shall dream Dreams And on my Servants and on my Hand-maidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit and they shall Prophesie Acts 2. Follow after Charity desire spiritual Gifts but rather that you may Prophesie for you may all Prophesie one by one that all may learn and all may be edified 1. Cor. 14. For as many of you as have been Baptized into Christ have put on Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek there is neither Bond nor Free there is neither Male nor Female for you are all one in Christ Gal. 3.27 28. Printed by Andrew Sowle And sold at the three Kyes in Nags-head-Court in Grace-Church-Street 1689. THE PREFACE To the Reader NOtwithstanding that several have written upon the same Subject and that both plain clear and weighty as the Lord by his blessed Spirit hath moved and assisted you yet was I under obligation to cast in my Mite amongst my Brethren that by many Witnesses the matter may be Established in Testimony to the fulfilling that blessed Promise of Almighty God in pouring out of his Spirit upon both Daughters and Handmaidens as well as Sons and Servants and their Prophecying to Edification in the Church and the more especially because the following Testimony hath been a weighty concern upon my mind for several days in the movings and openings of the holy Spirit And now in the tender B●wels of Love sincerely as a Christians Duty and Service Recommends the same to the Consciences of all sort of People that profess Christianity Yet more particularly And first unto such as have taken occasion to render and conclude those People called Quakers to be deluded and sleighters undervaluers and den●ers of the holy Scriptures only because Daughters and Handmaidens through the operation of Gods holy Spirit in the divine movings thereof do in their Meetings and Gatherings together Speak and Prophesie as the Spirit gives utterance that the gain-saying Reflections and common Objections of such may be repelled and fully answered Secondly That all such as are well satisfied in the aforesaid Practice of Womens Speaking and Prophecying in the Gatherings of Gods People which is his Church and Congregation may be furnished with Scripture Testimonies and Examples to answer the Objections of all Gain-sayers And Lastly For the information and help of such as may through a kind of respect to at least the Letter of holy Scripture yet being but little or rather unacquainted with the holy Spirit that opens the mystery therein doth either read them in too literal a Sence or else through Ignorance wrest them and therefore may scruple or doubt of the Fractice of Gods People in this particular now if thou Reader be such a one I tenderly beg of thee to wait low in thy Mind to feel the Illumination of the holy Spirit by which holy Scripture was given forth whereby thou mayst not only have the mystery thereof opened in thee but also receive benefit by what hereafter in this following Treatise out of holy Scripture is in the Love of God recommended to thee in order to thy Satisfaction I have only made use of Scripture Testimony and Examples as through the holy Spirit that good Remembrancer they were brought into thy mind yet I believe much might be added not only from holy Writ but also from the Practice of many Godly Women in the dawning of the Gospel-Day and beginning of Reformation in these latter Ages when the Superstition of Popery began to be discovered and protested against who through the Spirit were made Instrumental in the Hand of God for the building up and confirming others in their Meeting and Congregating together as by Hystory of credit amongst Protestants may more fully be demonstrated but at present omitted for Brevity sake wherefore read and receive the following Lines in true and sincere Love to the Truth as it is in Jesus abandoning all Prejudice that the benefit designed thou mayst reap to Gods Glory Truth 's Praise and thy own Satisfaction and Comfort wherein my end will be fully answered who is one that heartily wisheth to thee and all Men the knowledge of the Truth as it is in Christ Jesus to whom with God the Father be Glory and Praise in all his Churches World without end Amen Thomas Camm Camsgil the 10th Month 1684. A TESTIMONY TO The fulfilling of the Promise of God c. AND first in the time of the Law you may read in Exod. 25. that Miriam Moses's Sister was a Prophetess and prophesied in the Church or Congregation for the Word Church is by worthy Tindal most frequently Translated Congregation And in Num. 11.29 you may read how Moses the Man of God who had the Spirit of God and knew the Mind of God wished that all the Lords People Mark all the Lords People both Sons and Daughters did Prophesie or were Prophets Again you may read in the 4th and 5th Chapters of Judges how Deborah that Judged Israel and was a Mother in Israel through the Spirit of Christ Prophesied and Praised the Lord amongst the People the Congregation or Army to whom the Lord had given a great Victory over their Enemies further it may be observed that Deborah was a Mother in Israel and it s the concern of Mothers to Instruct and Teach their Children yea all others over whom God hath made them Judges and Overseers Again in the 1st and 2d Chap. of 1 Sam. you may read how Hanah Pray●● to and Praised the Lord and rejoyed in Gods Salvation in many gracious Expressions yea and in the Temple and in the presence of the High Priest Eli and we read not that he for bad her And in 2 King 22. you may read how good Josiah King of Judah sent to Husdab the Prophetess to enquire of the Lord by her and not by any other Prophet And you may also read what a blessed effect her Words had upon both King High-priest and People
come to the Knowledge of the Truth Here are the Women described that are not permitted to speak in the Church also the Speaking the vain Babling and unlearned Questions that grenders Strife from them that have a form of Godliness but deny the Power such Speakers and speaking is not permitted in the Church this tends not to Edification and Comfort and teaching good things and Prophecying doth that all may do in the Church that hath the Spirit poured upon them But such Questions are not proper or convenient in the Church they usurp Authority that are found in the Practice thereof there 's no such Order or Custom in the Churches of Christ for what 's there done is to be to Edification if Women that are thus idle busie-Bodies and Disorderly shall propose ask or speak any such things or Questions ought not to do it in the Church they are not permitted there but rather let them ask their Husbands or others at home such are unlearned not come to the knowledge of the Truth that sets Free but in the Sin and Bondage in the Transgression and Fall from God where the Subjection is to be kept under and the Husband is to rule over as saith the Law It s a Shame for such to Speak in the Church such are not Witnesses of the Restoration by Christ in whom Male and Female are all one and he in both may Speak in his Church Prophesie in his Church to Edification and Comfort that all may Learn and that all may be Edified and Comforted Secondly As to the Words of Paul to Timothy which are as followeth viz. But I suffer not a Woman to Teach nor Vsurp Authority over the Man but to be in Silence Here is not one word of Teaching in the Church but hath only relation to such as would usurp Authority over the Man which Paul permits not suffers not to teach in that Usurpation but such as are taught by the Spirit he permits and commands to teach others good things to Love and Obey their Husbands not to usurp Authority over them for all that comes to learn of Christ and his good Spirit they learn Meekness Humility and lowliness of Mind and such know how to Honour their Husbands Obey their Husbands and are thereby preserved out of the Usurpation though God by his Spirit that 's not to be limited may make them Instrumental to Instruct their Husbands as he did by Sarah and Abraham her Husband was commanded of God to Obey and Answer what she Taught or Instructed him in yet the Apostle saith She called Abraham her Husband Lord here is no Usurpation there Wherefore its clear that Paul's Words of not permitting or suffering Women to Speak had only relation to the Unlearned Unruly the Usurpers of Authority amongst the Corinthians or other Churches such as usurped Authority over the Man such are to be slent they are not permitted to Speak in the Church they Minister Strife and Contention and there 's no such custom in the Church of Christ Further it may very properly be queried of all Objecters in this wise That if Women must Learn of their Husbands at Home of whom then must they Learn that have no Husbands if there be no other way of Learning then must they be concluded in Ignorance to remain But Philip's four Daughters had no outward Husbands to Learn of Paul saith they were Virgins yet well Learned they did Prophesie wherefore the prohibition by him of not speaking belongs not to nor hath any relation to them nor such other they may notwithstanding Speak and Prophesie in the Church and all others who have the Spirit of Prophesie poured out upon them as the same Spirit moves and gives utterance Now to conclude God Almighty that 's greater then all hath said They shall Prophesie and Daughters and Handmaids have Prophesied both in time of the Law and Gospel Dispensation in the Churches or Congregation Christ the Lord and Law-giver hath Commanded and Commissioned Women to Teach or Preach or Prophesie in the Church as before is clearly demonstrated and they obeyed and practiced moreover Paul hath commended Daughters and Handmaids to the Churches Commanded to receive and assist them and to help those Women that laboured with him in the Gospel they did Prophesie saith he Therefore let all Gain-sayers and Contradictors of God Alimighty of Christ Jesus the Lord and Law-giver and the Apostle Paul cease therefrom and stop their Mouths for ever and let the Unlearned and Unstable cease to pervert or wrest the Holy Scriptures for such know not the meaning of the Spirit that spoke in the Prophets and Apostles Holy Men and Women that have given out the Holy Scriptures by Inspiration of God and is profitable for Doctrine for Reproof for Correction for Instruction in Righteousness and are able to make wise unto Salvation through Faith which is in Christ Jesus that the Man of God may be perfect throughly furnished unto all good Works Glory to God for the unspeakable Comfort thereof administered through the Holy Spirit A POSTSCRIPT of some Testimonies shewing that the Apostles Precepts against Womens Speaking was not universal and that Women have had a Service in the universal Church in several Ages BEfore the Law was given Miriam was given for a Prophetess Exod. 15.20 Mica 6.4 And among the Gentiles under the Law of Nature as 't is called the Sibyls in several Ages prophesied Augustin saith By the same Spirit of God that the Prophets did to the Jews Decivit dei l. 18. c. 18. And Bishop Montagues writes a whole Book about that matter Acts and Monuments before Christ the 9th Book And for Womens Services under the Law and under the Gospel Bishop John Bridges writes near a whole Book Defence c. 9th Book where he shews that though Calvin was the vehementest against Womens Teaching of all that he had read yet he makes his concession this That as necessity might require this Precept of Paul of the ordinary course maketh no absolute debar to all manner of Women but that now and then some may speak lawfully Yea and their Voice is requisit even in the most sacred publick and greatest Assemblies of the Churches The said J. Bridges also brings the further Concessions of Peter Martyr Musculus Marlorat Alesius Aretius and other emnient Teachers all granting Paul's precept not to be an universal restraint bringing the Examples of Women under the Law as well as Gospel times for instances as Philip's Daughters Anna Deborah Hulda Hannab The Womans Claim Deut. 25.7 9. Abigal the Woman of Abel 2 Sam. 20.18 The Mother of the seven Sons 2 Mac. 7. Judith The Woman Luk. 11.27 The Virgin Mary The Woman Matth. 9.20 and Luke 8.44 The Woman of Canaan Matth. 15.22 The Woman of Samaria Miriam Elizabeth Samson's Mother Judg. 13.22 The captive Maid 2 Kings 5.2 and others That though they be under subjection yet they may speak counsel and teach So Bridges says Defence lib. 1. which I