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B12204 An ansvvere to a letter of a Iesuited gentleman, by his cosin, Maister A.C. Concerning the appeale; state, Iesuits Copley, Anthony, 1567-1607?; Champney, Anthony, 1569?-1643?, attributed name. 1601 (1601) STC 5735; ESTC S108680 66,056 126

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from S. Peter to this day beene such that euer I reade Ignem veni mittere in terram quid volo nisi vt ardeat being a fire that Christ neuer meant as out of two flints by repercussion or out of steele by hard-edge but such a fire as hee sent downe in forme of disparted tongues ouer his sacred mother and the Apostolike assemblie at Pentecost and that which Saint Augustine our countries Apostle brought ouer to Eleutherius our king from Saint Peters sea Such is the fire that burnes in Iesus name and such the fire that flames from forth the Seminaries amōgst vs at this day Volentes trahit saith S. Paul of the holie ghost hauing his spirit nolentes non cogit The Iesuits mistake groslie if they thinke that God is to come to his spouse in turbine tonitru for such shall be the comming of Antichrist another day but in leui aura quasi susurrans Saxonie that was subdued to the Catholicke faith by armes how short time continued it therin being the last of all the Germaine-Prouinces that receiued it and the first that forsooke it In like manner at this instant hath not the Poland king receiued notable domage and daylie doth both in his owne and the Churches estate at the hands of his natural subiects the Sweathlands vnder the conduct of his vncle Fredericke whom they haue chosen their Protector and as now the newes is their king against him comming at the Iesuits instigation to conquer them to the Catholike faith Hath hee not lost not onelie all that his naturall heritage this of Poland being his kingdome but by election from euer being by all likelihood Catholicke againe it being now by meanes of such his prouocation the rather rooted in heresie but also part of Liefeland too which before was Catholicke besides his honour and all his charges of warre Such forsooth was the Iesuits religion in this case and so set they on the king to reuenge their wrongs rather then his or Gods and the irreuerence those people did them as they informd comming to take place and to preach amongst them by vertue of the kings letters-patents And thus if the Popes holinesse had anie such commission as is said the Iesuits doe vsurpe it they hauing I am sure no Breue of his to shew whereby thus to set kingdome against kingdome for religion as Poland against Sweathland and Spaine against vs. The knights of the Temple of Rhodes those of Malta at this day though they be the vowed souldiers of Christ his church neuer bore so quarrellous and irreligious spirits neither yet the Iesuits founder though hee were sometimes a souldiour left them any such rule But least of all is the Spaniard so peaceable a man amongst his neighbours as that hee neede to be nowd on to quarrels by the religious Howsoeuer that is not the way cosin the spirit of Christ being meeke and humble and what manner of Ghospelling he propounded to his Apostles and what armes viz. a scrip and a staffe you may read in the Acts. Moreouer if propter iniustitias c. as in 2. Reg. God to deliuer a nation ouer to the hands of another nation be his curse to that nation so giuen ouer and not his blessing is it meete that the Patriotts of the same should exhibit themselues instruments thereunto all people being bound to complie with their countrie as with their mother in all Gods blessings and not his maledictions Now then seeing it doth or may appeare vnto you that the king of Spaine neither de facto hath nor de iure can haue anie autenticke title or colour of title from the sea-Apostolicke to the royall Crowne of this land as for religion which of all pretences is most forceable much more easilie and iustlie may you condemne the Iesuits for perswading amongst vs a Spanish title thereunto in blood which the Spaniard himselfe neuer to this day yet pretended either in himselfe or his predecessors and lastlie if such their supposed title together with the aforesaid from the church faile then forsooth the benefit of Spaines conquering vs which of all other positions is most absurde Touching their title in blood then were it neuer so new and so true it is sufficient answer therunto to say that in respect they are meere straungers and of another nation I meane the king and his sister both such their title is voide and of no effect as well as for Fraunce to impleade their Sallicke-law in barre against Englands title vnto it Againe prescription were also a competēt estopple vnto them they pretending from king Iohn and Edward the third and yet neither their ancestors nor they themselues hauing layed in their claime to this day which during the deuision of the houses of Lancaster and Yorke at what time it continuing long and the whole land likewise therevpon deuided in ciuil warres it was a fit season for the Spaniard to haue done set in foote considering that vis diuisa debilis and also being then neerer the stemme of this pretended title which would haue made the better show Briefe if titles so farre fetcht might take place for a Crowne I wisse there are in this land a manie poore persons at this houre that might be serud before Spaine And as for king Iohn though hee were not the best Prince either to the Church or our Countrie but vnfortunate to ech and to him selfe most yet will we not hold him so vnblest of God and vnhappie as that from his loyne should be intituled a forraine-pretender to this realme ne euer built hee London bridge for a Spanish Conqueror to trample on as I haue often heard that nation bost of such a day Much lesse king Edward that our victorious king may his ghost abide to see England vnder a forraine rule who subdued forraine powers and Crownes to it Be this enough said and more then needs touching Spaines title in blood to England seeing that euen a meere English pretendant to deduce a title so farre off and after so manie changes amongst vs without making claime any time betweene were absurd much more so meere strangers present enimies as both they are to our state for which as little reason wee haue as for their religious pretence aforesaid to be any way parties to their raignes ouer vs. Touching their conquest then and the vtilitie therof to our countrie which is the last point the Iesuits perswade the other two fayling they doe well verilie to suggest it vtill at least if so seeing that vulgus amicitias vtilitate probat rather then honest and honourable which at all it would not be but contrariwise a meere wrong in them to attempt and slauerie in vs to endure So noble an Iland as this which to vse the Spanish Chronographers owne words was one of the 3. prime plumes in the helme of the Romaine Empire at her greatest the other two quoth he being Spaine and Fraunce an Iland which
now of late seeing that euen as such the Libeller if they marke it asseuers them to be no lesse then Rebels too much lesse so very opposite as many of them are and notably the twelue Assistants of whom not one that I heare is a partie for them little reason I say haue they or these to be such considering that therein they betray their owne and the Seminaries honours wholy to the honouring of the Iesuits and forget that implicitè euery one of themselues in particular is inuolued in the same disgrace For to haue it spread throughout all the Christian world that thirty English Seminaries are at one clap become Schismaticks Rebels c. to the Catholicke Church what a blot will it be aswell to all that are of the nurserie as of the number and in especiall how much may it contrist the holy Ghost ouer the Seminaries and also iustly alien from them their benefactors were such a scandall true Namely the Popes Holinesse how deepely may he feele it in his Apostolike and paternall spirite Whereas on the other side it not being true that so many yea or any of the Libellés are such Schismatickes Rebels c. to our holy mother as the libeller doteth how heartily ought the whole bodie and all the members of the Seminaries applaude the same and vnanimously concurre to propulse the reproch But alas too many of them we see are bought and solde to the Iesuits thus from their brothers and their owne honors they hauing the Ecclesiasticall purse of our Countrey wholy in their pocket like the Steward in Scripture who betrayed his and our good Lord and Master and these others so deiect nay abiect mindes For were they truly zealous it were possible enough for them to hold out against the double persecution to wit both that of the Protestant and this of the Iesuits and Arch-priest with and for their brethren especially such brethren as without offence be it spoken are the very creame of our Clergie Not that I thinke any of them so vnlearned no not of the Assistants who it seemes were most called to the place for their insufficiencies though in faith sufficient enough for such employment as to iudge the Appealants Schismaticks c. by the booke whereby to be parties against them or neuters but only of meere pusillanimitie This Mammon is such a Monarke that it bribes and bridles all but Capuchines tainting their humours and honours both especially where Authoritie concurres as in this wrong of the Iesuits Maister Blackwels such as it is doth who whom their largesse allures or parfimonie not his Authoritie makes good in each For as for his late answere to the Appealants booke that importeth no such reason or satisfaction why they should thinke his proceedings and consequently their partie thereunto any waies iust against their brethren it arguing onely a meere ostentation of his Arch-priestship and a bare Ipse dixit and nothing else fo full is euery line besides of absurdities and contradictions as touching the matter onely the sayings of the Doctors hee hath therein not vsed whereby nor abused which is a maruell Great pittie therefore it is and a scandall our Cleargie which for being a persecuted Cleargie should be the more vnite as per antiperistesin to be found guiltie in this case so much concerning their honours of that vice which the Scot noteth nationall and naturall to our people that is like dogges all to take part with the iniuring dogge against the iniured or rather not like hogs which quoth he the Welchmen are to ayde the fugitiue and weaker hogge against the stronger Great pitie likewise and a shame it is vnto our Seminaries who being Luminare maius in our Fermament then the Iesuits they notwithstanding to eclipse and obnubulate them therein by disseuering them as thus by libell they haue done Briefe that Iesuits who in their institution are but Confessors vz. but Graduates Beson̄os and Proficients towarde perfection shoulde dare so basely to blemish the Seminaries whose institution is far more hautie vz. Pascere gregem and ponere animas suas pro ouibus suis which implies perfection alreadie acquired as then which maiorem charitatem nemo habet they I say to blemish them so libelliously as is said not onely by seuering them thereby one from another but which worse is by setting them one against another Is Christs supreme Vicar in earth a secular Clearke yea so farre forth secular as being once chosen out of a Monasticke-order to that Sea for a Iesuit Pope neuer yet had yee any straight his Monasticke-nature dies And also are all Bishops vnder him in the Vniuersall Church such whereby they haue authoritie as such to visit and correct the religious person and not the religious them that thus the religious should insult ouer our Seminaries being likewise such and that without encounter nay with their own assents I speake it boldlie and I hope abest inuidia verbo not so glorious by ods is the Iesuits societie as the Seminaries either for institution or practise especiallie practise here in our countrie whatsoeuer it be elsewhere For the institution as afore is touched for practise as for example Shew yee mee from Father Ignatius time their founder to this day which is now well nigh a hundred yeeres since halfe so many Martyrs thoroughout the whole world in all that time of the Societie as haue beene of our Seminaries within these thirtie yeeres here in our countrie omitting that euen to this day there is not so much as one Canonized Saint of the order Confessor or Martyr no not their founder himselfe whom neuerthelesse with a great manie moe of the Societie I reuerentlie thinke to be such and as such doe verie humbly commend me to their praiers Which defect of honour to their Order which all other religious Orders haue they would excuse by saying as some of them haue done that the Canonizing of Saints is but a superfluous pompe in the Church which may verie well be spared Wherein surelie cosin besides that it founds hereticallie and against Catholicke religion they haue little reason euen in moralitie seeing that euery gallant Champion is well worthie of his Bay And therefore as little reason haue they to beare themselues so superlatiuely aboue all other holy Orders were it but for the Puneisme of the societie which blemish to counteruaile together with all other blemishes in it they haue giuen it the name which is aboue all names and holy aboue all holies the name Iesus In which name well I graunt them they may iustly and victoriously goe against all Gods enemies but not against his friends especially bearing no more crosses along with them wheresoeuer they goe then we see they doe quaerentes in most places quae sua sunt rather then quae Dei both worship and wealth Whereby they haue purchast them a hard opinion of all religious Orders euen so farre forth as to be written against by some of them in most