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A81396 Christ exalted, and alone worthy to open the seals of the book. And the scriptures owned in their place. A true testimony of him, as is manifest, in answer to a book, intituled, The Quakers apostacy, from the perfect rule of scriptures. Given forth by John Timson, of Great Bowden in Leicestershire. And the deceits and blasphemies he charges upon the Quakers, is turned upon his own head, and he found guilty of what he reproaches them with, in what is written for the simples sake, and truth to clear from false accusations and lyes cast upon it. And the ten queries he saith he vindicateth, and would print but foure of them, they are all published, with the answers that he charges to be confused, dark and deceitfull, that the answers may witnesse for themselves against what is charged upon them. He that hath an understanding in the light, read and judge. / William Dewsberry. Dewsbury, William, 1621-1688. 1656 (1656) Wing D1258; Thomason E891_6; ESTC R206512 24,367 32

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and appear before us and many other unsavory words are there exprest Reply A wicked and adultrous generation shall seek after a signe and there shall no signe be given it but the signe of the Prophet Jona Mat. 16. 4. And whereas thou charges Howgill and Burrough as thou calls them with pernitious blasphemous opinions Reply Thy accusation is false they are faithfull men serveing their generation in the light Ministers of Christ in whom is witnessed the God head dwelling bodily Coll. 2. 9. and in him were one in God they that joyne to the Lord are one spirit 1 Cor. 6. 17. he that can receive it let him And whereas thou in the 29. Pa. saith that the Revelations of Christ that are according to Scripture are either texts of Scripture expressed or rationall deductions consequences and conclusions that naturally flow from particular passages of Scriptures and not any other revelations can be pleaded for as rule Reply Thy dark minde is shut out from knowing the revelations of Christ and though thou say that answer that was returned to these words was not to purpose it stands a witnesse against thee and will be found to purpose in the light when thy reward thou shalt have for all thy unsavory words exprest in thy Book And in the 33. Pa. where thou falsely accuses us that we will allow of no Laws of God nor Scripture but the Revelations and edicts of our owne bewitched hearts c. And when thou hast reviled us with false accusation as before written thou beseeches those thou call thy dear friends to be serious in their thoughts of what thou hast written in discovering our deceits and blasphemies denying the rule that all things are to be tryed by and make themselves the absolute rule and we must not question what they say though it be never so insolent and to be abhorred of all sober Christians c. Reply Thou hath brazned thy face to slander the truth of God with lyes and blasphemies which is the foundation of all heresy and there thou art found and thy accusation is false Christ the rule that all things is to be tryed by we owne and our selves deny and to the light of Christ in all Consciences we appeale whether thou or we deny the rule thou that sayst the revelations of Christ are either texts of Scripture expressed or rationall deductions consequences c. as before written or we who witnesse Christ the true light revealed by the father and none knows the father but the Son and he to whom the Son will reveale him Mat. 11. 27. Luke 10. 22 Let all that are in Christ with sobriety in the light judge And for the rest of thy slanders in the 37. and 38. Pa. where thou says these miserable worms uncovenant themselves and un-Christ themselves as if they cared not for grace and mercy in standing before God denying the Scripture c. and in the 40. Pa. thou sayst of those in scorne called Quakers thou can safely say they deny the benefit that comes to the Church by Christ suffering in that flesh ●hat he received from the Virgin Mary or else deny it to be are all body of flesh and so make it but a tipe and a figure of Christ in the Saints who are his true real body which he now suffers in and by his suffering makes satisfaction for them makeing the death of the Crosse of none effect Reply The miserable worms that uncovenant themselves and un-Christ themselves who denys Christ the light thou art found to be one whom thy dark minde art working abomination and makeing lies which thou hast published to the world in thy Books and thy place thou may read as is recorded Rev. 21. 27. and the rest of thy accusations recorded in 40. Pa. we witnesse against and for the Simple sake declare as followeth that benefit came to the Church by Christ suffering in that body God gave which was born of the Virgin Mary and with one offering hath Christ perfected for ever them that are sanctified Heb. 10. 14. and these are his Saints in whom he is now revealed who are his body Eph. 1. 23. which now suffered by thee and all that are of the murdering generation who bore false witnesse against Christ when he was in that body which they crucified at Jerusalem and thou hast manifest thy self to be of the same murdering generation who hath published to the world the false witnesse against the innocent to perfect thy evill intent towards the body of Christ if the Lord prevent thee not but thou shalt know the Lord faithfull that thou and all that formes your tongues against him shall fall in judgement Isa 54. 17. And what is charged upon thee in answer to thy reply to the answer to the third question that thou sets at nought the corner stone and prefers the testimony of him before him limitting the eternall son of God as thou hath in what is Printed in the 55. Pa. where thou speaks of the Scripture that they are designed of God to be the only instrument and vessel of his spirit to convey the knowledge of Christ as Redeemer to lost man and without them Christ is not knowne at all to any saveing ends Reply Who art thou that dare thus utter words without knowledge Christ is knowne where the Father reveales him to be the souls life whether they have the Scripture yea or nay according to the will of God he makes knowne his minde of his people who wait upon him in his feare and the secrets of the Lord are with those that fear him Psal 25. 14. And the spirit of the Lord is witnesse with our spirits that we are the children of God O man repent least the Lord cut thee off and thou perish in thy gainsayings And further what thou hath written in Reply to what was returned in answer to the question before mentioned the most of the false accusations is answered in what was returned to the former part of the Book and all thy false accusations and reproaches denyed with the light and for the Simples sake there is returned in answer to thy questions which thou hast propounded 1. Qu. Where we read of a perfect law of God in the heart and where it is made the Rule and Ground of the Saints obedience Ans The Law of God is perfect Psal 19. 7. and is the rule to which the Saints are to walke in obedience to and to be guided by Psal 119. 12. and the Law to be in the heart is proved Psal 40. 8. I delight to do thy will O God yea thy law is within my heart 2. Qu. Whether the law in the heart be under another Covenant distinct from the perfect law of God declared in Scripture 3. Qu. What were to understand by the law of God i n the heart which is the same with Scripture whether the 10. Commandements written in Tables of stone onely or all those positive Precepts of Gospel worship and
Lord to that great Image set up by Nebuchadnezzars proud nature spoken of by Daniel and that that Image was but a tipe and figure of this which now shines gloriously in forms and observations And thou sayst that in his speaking to the Anabaptists and Independents he tells them they have set up a finer Image in the Gospell ordinances as they call them and what other ordinances thou sayst doth these or you set up but what vvas practised in the Apostolical Churches thus you may see hovv this Impostor doth reproach the holy things of God Reply Blush for shame vvho sayst William Dewsberry compares the holy ordinances and institutions of our Lord to that great Image c. Holy Ordinances and Institutions of the Lord is not there exprest by him where thou sayst he them so compares he vvitnesses against the Image you have set up in your minds of the truth as you conceive vvhere you are in confusion that doth you divide into forms and observations as before written to looke for the Kingdome of God to come and though you call them the Ordinances of Christ you denying Christ the light you to guide in the daily crosse you are in the same nature wherein Nebuchadnazzar cast the Lords servants into the fiery furnace because they witnessed against his Image so do you who walke in your imaginations and deny Christ the light cause the servants of the Lord that walks in the life and cannot bow to your Image but witnesse against it to be haled out of your meeting places beaten stoned whipt stockt imprisoned which are the fruits of Nebuchadnezzars nature as is manifest this day amongst those against whom he witnesseth and who is the Impostor and reproaches the holy things of God the fruit makes manifest he that hath an eye to see let him see And further thou sayst that he in the height of his insolent rashnesse and madnesse saith thus the word of the Lord came unto me saying I will gather my people out of all forms and observations and out of all Kindreds Tongues and Nations and I will power out my spirit upon them And this thou sayst he writes in a different Character as if it were all Scripture by this you may see it proved what I have accused them with in denying the Ordinances and Administrations of the Gospel Churches true and yet this impudent lyar tells me it s a lying slander they would render me a lyar for telling them the truth but it seems they can rather and with more ease deny the accusation then prove themselves Saints and stand to it thus when they are pincht they will say and un say and any thing to evade Rashnesse and madnesse is thy owne in speaking evill of that thou knowest not the day will declare the Lord will gather his people together according as is declared Rev. 5. 9. And the lye and false accusation will still rest on thee for charging W. D. as before written and the impudent lyar he will not be found when the Lord will seperate between the precious and the vile then shall it be known who walke in outward forms and deny Christ the light and those that live in the light life and power of Christ them to lead in the daily crosse which keeps them in a pure life and holy conversation and thy false accusations doth not us pinch neither doe we any thing to evade but witnesse the truth against thy false accusations and in patience doe finish our testimony in sufferings and all with us that in the light walk are in the ordinances of the Gospel Church and witnesse the everlasting Gospel where all types shadows and figures are done away which thou so much cryes up and the Lord will throw thee and all downe and a day of tribulation shall come upon thee and thou shalt not escape except thou repent And whereas thou reviles us for saying that the spirit is the only rule of faith and life Joh. 16. 13. which thou sayst that promise was made directly to the twelve Reply Who art thou that limits the holy one the promise of his spirit is to all who waite on him in the manifestation of his spirit according to the Testimony of Scripture 1 Cor. 12. 7 8 9. the manifestation of his Spirit is given to every one to profit withall for to one is given by the spirit the word of wisedom to another the word of knowledge by the same spirit to another faith by the same spirit to another the gifts of healing by the same spirit c. And for thy unsavory words which in reproach calls us proud worms that vilifie and diminish from the Scripture c. Reply Pride is thy owne we doe not vilifie nor diminish the Scriptures we witnesse them a true testimony of Christ the life and who in his light walk knowes the truth of the Scriptures as it is in Jesus Eph. 4. 20 21. And whereas thou sayst in confession to what was declared to thee that Abel Enoch and Noah had saith before the Scriptures was written to which thou quotes Heb. 1. 1. God who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in times p ast unto the fathers by the Prophets hath in these last dayes spoken to us by his son and thou sayst before there was any thing commit to writeing the Lord did more visibly reveale his will by voice vision Angels c. But since he hath committed his whole will unto writeing by the Prophets and Apostles these former manners are ceased and thou sayst to look for the same discoveries still by voice vision or inspiration is madnesse we run into Reply Thou vain man who dare to say the Lord hath ceased makeing himselfe known to his people by voice vision or inspiration holy men of God did speak and doth speak as inspired by the spirit of God and mooved by the Holy Ghost 2 Pet. 1. 21. An● the Lord hath promised in the latter daies I will power out my spirit upon all flesh Joel 2. 28 29. Acts 2. 17 18. Jer. 31. 33 34. Heb. 8. 9 10 11. Isa 54. 13. All the Children of the Lord who are led by his spirit doth witnesse these Scriptures fulfilled and knoweth the Lord is fatithfull according to his promise who will recompence into thy bosome thy just reward for speaking evill of his truth and whiles thou denys the manifestation of his spirit which the Lord manifests to his people as is recorded in the Scripture of truth thy pride and confusion thou hast made manifest and neither knows Moses ministry nor the Apostles which thou in a buisy minde speaks of in thy dark understanding which leads thee to fill thy Book with false accusations as in thy 10th Pa where thou sayst we doe not make any clear difference between the outward declaration and the word of faith Reply For the Simples sake as we have declared the truth we doe declare it which is witnessed with all the Children of light
not any can be saved by what they doe in their own wills all that is done in that nature is abomination to God as is plain in the Answer to what thou hast writ in the 70 Page It is not of him that willeth nor of him that runneth but of God that shewes mercy Rom. 9. 16. which he makes manifest in the riches of his grace in Christ the light who leads all that obey him in the strait way of self-deniall and the daily crosse in obedience to the will of God which is our sanctification And he that sanctifieth and they that are sanctified are one Heb. 2. 4. 1 Thess 4. 31. He that can receive it let him For the truths sake that the simple be not turned out of the way by the false accusations reproaches and aspersions thou hast cast upon it what is before written in Answer to thee the truth doth clear and the Answer to thy ten Questions which thou charges to be deceitfull that they may witnesse for themselves against what thou hast cast upon them that all that desire to know the truth may them read The Questions and Answers are as followeth 1 Qu. Whether the writings of the Scriptures are a declaration of the Holy will and mind of God that necessarily oblige the servants of God that professe them to believe and observe whatever is revealed therein to be believed and done and whether the Scripture alone be a perfect Rule of faith and life unto all of years amongst us yea or nay Ans The Scriptures is a true declaration of the things believed amongst the Saints and a true testimony of Jesus Christ but not any doth them know neither can believe what is written therein by the outward declaration and testimony of Scripture but by the word of Faith which is in the heart and in the mouth which is the word of Faith which we Preach Rom. 10. 7 8. 2 Qu. Whether any other Revelations and Observations not to be found in the Scripture be binding to the consciences of those persons that have the benefit of the Scripture or whether such revelations or dictates within a mans heart and soul be as binding to the conscience and to be urged to a mans self or others as the Scriptures are Ans The revelations of Jesus Christ is according to Scripture which Revelations binds up the Testimony and seals the Law in the hearts of his Disciples and what dictates is in the conscience or heart of man contrary to the Law and Testimony is not to be regarded but disowned and judged with the light which comes from Christ the Saints life who guides them in a pure life and holy conversation according to Scripture Isa 8. 20. 3 Qu. Whether any thing besides the Scripture is constituted of the blessed God to reveal Christ as Redeemer and Saviour to the spirit of miserable lost man to bring man unto happinesse or whether corrupt man without the knowledge of Scripture may ordinarily attain unto salvation yea or nay Ans No man can come to the Son any other way but whom the Father draweth by the power of his unlimited Spirit and never any shall know the Father but he to whom the Son reveals him and he that thinks to attain the way to eternall life by reading the letter of the Scripture and regards not the light that comes from Christ that witnesseth for God in the secret of the heart and conscience he deceives himself for the mystery of eternall life is sealed up in the sealed Book from all the Sons and Daughters of men and none shall ever know it by the outward testimony of Scripture but by the inspiration of the Spirit of Jesus Christ the Lyon of the Tribe of Judah who is found worthy to open the seals of the Book and is the way the truth and the life to all that in his light wait his power them to guide in faithfull obedience to the righteous and perfect Law of God written in the heart for the exercise of the conscience which keeps them void of offence towards God and towards men according to testimony of Scripture Acts 24. 16. 23. 1. 4 Qu. Whether that light of conscience which is more or lesse in all since the fall be the remains or some reliques left of the first Adam in reference to the Covenant of works or whether common to all from the redemption of the second Adam as flowing from the Covenant of grace or how else I desire you would clearly expresse your thoughts in this Ans Man in the fallen estate hath not any light remains in him to guide him to doe any thing well pleasing to God as he stands in the state of corrupt nature for all his righteousnesse is as filthy rags and as a menstruous cloth the light that convinceth man and woman of the evill of their hearts and discovers the filthinesse of all their own righteousnesse is the light that comes from Christ the true light that lighteth every man that comes into the world John 1. 9. And this light is not common to man by nature it is the great gift of God his grace that hath appeared and teacheth all that are guided by it to deny all ungodlinesse and worldly lusts and to live godily and soberly in this present evill world and all that walk contrary to the light this is their condemnation the light John 3. 19. 5 Qu. Whether the end of God in giving and continuing this kind of light to all men in the world was not to be a restraint and curb to the exorbitant lusts of so corrupt a creature as man and so made subservant to God in the Government of the world in order to the peace and continuance of the same and to leave all without excuse Or what besides this the end of God was that this kind of light should be minded and improved according to the power of man by what he is from creation or universall grace or redemption in order to eternall happinesse and the not heeding this light in all men shall be the only condemnation of the world Or whether this light be the Gospel or Christ or his Spirit or whether it be a light either equall with or inferiour to or of a different kind with the Scriptures Ans The light which comes from Christ is given of God to guide the creature out of its own strength and power to Christ the mighty power and wisedome of God the creature to guide with moderation in the use of all creatures and to order and govern the creation to the praise and glory of God And this light is of the pure nature of God and leads to Christ the everlasting Gospel And this is the condemnation of the world that hates the light which comes from Christ because they believe not in him John 3. 18. 6. Qu. Whether the light of Conscience the light of Scripture the light of providence the light of grace ought not to be prest upon all