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A76289 A briefe ansvver to R.H. his booke, entitled, The true guide, &c. Wherein are occasionally declared and proved by Scripture these particular things following: [brace] first, that the baptisme of water is a distinct baptisme from the baptisme of the spirit. ... Sixthly, in what sense some things related in Scripture are not Scripture, with divers other particulars occasionally spoken of. / By R.B. a well-wisher to the truth, and R.H. R. B., Well-wisher to the truth. 1646 (1646) Wing B159; Thomason E357_2; ESTC R16628 31,113 40

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further In Page 6. saying what Scripture have any to raile against the Parliament Answ Truly none that I know of nor any warrant at all to be unfaithfull toward them in the least who have been so carefull of our peace and safety and so faithfull towards us though some would have had it otherwise But R. H. would make the world beleeve that those that differ from his opinions and practices are such and therefore mentions divers opinions and among the rest this Interrogatory to render them as hatefull to the world as possibly he can as this Interrogatory especially must needs do if it were true but it may be he hath heard some that stand opposite to his opinions speake foolishly that way though for my part all those that I am intimate with stand to this day as cordiall and reall for the Parliament as ever as our neighbours can testifie But contrariwise I have heard of some of his opinion that have proved unfaithfull to the Parliament should I therefore take occasion to make mention of the actions of some few of his opinion to the world to render all of the same opinion odious yet this is the very drift of his mentioning this thing as may appeare to them that read his Booke But it may be he will say he doth but interrogate but he may know well that interrogations are either strong affirmations or strong negations and I thinke he will not say it is a negation but should I have begun and done such a thing so publiquely against them of his opinion I should have been thought at least a seducer unjustly endeavouring to draw the Parliament and well affected peoples affections from such His next things he mentions in the same page are Magistrates Masters and Fathers Verily I know none that are accused by R. H. that take away in the least from Parliament Masters or Fathers what God nature and this whole Kingdome hath invested them with severally from God but I never yet read in the Gospell of Christ Jesus that ever he gave any in the world power over the consciences of his people in matter of worship 1 Cor. 7.23 Ye are bought with a price be not the servants of men Col. 2.20 Why as though living in the world are ye subject to Ordinances touch not taste not handle not which all perish with the using after the Commandements and Doctrines of men But marke the enmity of this man against them hee opposes hee would have them thought to bee such as cry downe superiority and inferiority and yet he knowes well they stand for all due subjection to Caesars Masters and Fathers as much as he if not more For we conceive all civill subjection to be due to such whether Heathens or Christians but if he will give to them that which belongs to God we are not bound to doe so too by his example we acknowledge no power in matter of worship above Christ Jesus who is the only Law-giver to his people whose government differs from Moses government even as his house differs from his Heb. 3.2 3 4 5 6. who was faithfull to him that appointed him as also Moses was faithfull in all his house And Moses verily was faithfull in all his house as a servant but Christ as a sonne over his own house c. So that the Government of Moses house is as unfit for Christs house as a poore cottagers for a Kings house Besides Moses house yea even that whose State being shaddowish when Christ the body came the shaddowes must needs fly away as Solomon saith then to what purpose serve his proofes from the examples of the Kings of Judah more then of the Priests of Judah for the Government of Christs house unlesse they are understood spiritually and not according to the Letter For were not the Kings and Priests of Judah both types of Christ Jesus Now if he will more argue from the one than from the other let him shew his grounds from Scripture if he will argue from both as he must of necessity if he do from either then how wil he escape the Episcopall order even the Papall power of Rome it self which they raise up to the foundation of the Aaronical Priesthood But it may be R. H. is not throughly convinced of the truth and extent of the typicality of that estate nor the spirituality of the present Gospell state as the antitype of that Let him therefore a little consider first the Land is called holy Zach. 2.12 The glory of all Lands Ezek. 20.6 Emmanuels Land Esay 8.8 the typicall rest Deut. 12.9 10. Which when men beleeve they are said to enter into not that naturall Canaan but the spirituall rest Heb. 4.3 For we which have beleeved enter into rest c Besides Jerusalem when the Jewish state stood was the chiefest place of Gods worship unto which all men of that Nation were bound to resort three times a yeare according to the Law Exod. 34 23 24. Thrice in the yeare shall all your men children appeare before the Lord. So Psal 122. But now every where and in every Nation men may worship God if they worship him in Spirit and truth John 4.20 21 23. The houre commeth when ye shall neither in this Mountaine nor in Jerusalem worship the Father But the houre commeth and now is when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and truth Acts 10 35. In every Nation he that feareth him and worketh righteousnesse is accepted of him Secondly The people were separated from other people to God Levit. 20.26 I the Lord am holy and have severed you from other people that you should be mine But where hath God in the Gospell separated any whole Nation or Kingdome as a peculiar people but rather chuseth out to himselfe a people by the voyce of the Gospel not of all Nations but out of all Nations and tongues Rev. 5.9 Thou hast redeemed us by thy bloud out of every kindred and tongue and people and Nation And is it not plaine that the spirituall Israel holy Nation and peculiar people as Peter calls them 1 Pet. 2.9 ●re the true Antitype of that Thirdly The Priesthood was typicall as may be seene at large Heb. 7 8 9 Chapters what was signified by it and how and in whom fulfilled Lastly To go no further though much more might be said the Kingdome of Judah was typicall to Christ according to that Gen. 49.10 The Scepter shall not depart from Judah nor a Law-giver from between his feet till Shilo come So Hos 3 5. Afterward the children of Israel shall returne and seeke the Lord their God and David their King and shall feare the Lord and his goodnesse in the latter daies Ezek. 37.22 24 25 And I will make them one Nation and one King shall be King to them all ver 24. And David my servant shall be their King Amos 9.11 In that day I will raise up the Tabernacle of David that is falne So Esay 9.6
do it Now the Word written rather warranted the Prophet to eate for his health and forbad Abraham to kill but they had a word immediately from the same fountaine from whence the Word written first came which being written is a record and rule to all the Saints but it seemes R. H. would not have God himselfe nor the Prophets and Apostles in no case to goe a jot higher then the Word written In Page 6. He mentions three or foure things negatively the first is about Childrens Baptisme and some other things questioning what we have against them and because he thinkes nothing can be said against that point concerning the Baptisme of water let him take these few things into consideration First how he can warrant the baptizing of any with water by vertue of that commission Mat. 28.19 Go teach all Nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost because the Apostles themselves that baptized with water before that commission was giuen could not baptize with this Baptisme till they were indued with power from one high Luke 24.49 Tarry ye in the City of Jerusalem till you be indued with power from on high Acts 1.4 And being assembled together with them commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem but waite for the promise of the Father which saith he ye have heard of me Secondly The baptisme of water was ever both before and after the giving of the Holy Ghost called Iohns Baptisme Act. 1.22 Beginning from the baptisme of John unto the same day that he was taken up from us Acts 18.25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord and being fervent in the Spirit he taught diligently the things of the Lord knowing only the baptisme of Iohn And Acts 19.3 4 He said unto them unto what were ye then baptized they said unto Iohns Baptisme then said Paul John verily baptized with the baptisme of repentance c. Thirdly And no other forme of words were used in that Baptisme but in the name of the Lord Jesus only Acts 8.16 For as yee the Holy Ghost was falne upon none of them only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Iesus Acts 19 5. When they heard this they were baptized in the name of the Lord Iesus For the baptisme of the Spirit was by laying one of the Apostles hands Acts. 8. ●● Then laid they their hands on them and they received the Holy Ghost Fourthly The baptisme of the Spirit was not so much as signified by the baptisme with water as may appeare Acts 19.2 And he said unto them have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye beleeved and they said unto him we have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost But if the Baptisme of the spirit had been the thing signified by the baptism with water the Baptizers would no doubt have so instructed the parties baptized or else they must be concluded to be either negligent or ignorant of their office But Paul did not so much as reprove those Baptizers for any such neglect but by laying on of Pauls hands they received the Holy Ghost Nay further This Baptisme of the Holy Ghost was a distinct gift of the Spirit from that which the Apostles and all other Beleevers receive by their union with Christ for the Apostles had those gifts and graces which were and still are common to other Beleevers by vertue of their union before this was given but this which is the promise of the Father they had not till Christ was ascended Iohn 7.39 This he spake of the Spirit which they that beleeve on him should receive for the Holy Ghost was not yet given because that Iesus was not yet glorified Acts 1.5 Ye shall be baptied with the Holy Ghost not many daies hence Lastly S. Paul saith expresly it was no part of his commission 1 Cor. 1.15 17. but the Baptisme of the Spirit by laying on of hands was part of the Apostles commission Mat. 28.19 compared with Acts 8.18 Mark 16.15 16 17. If any object and say what doth the Baptisme with water signifie then I answer it signifies our remission of sins by the death of Christ Acts 2.38 Then said Peter repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Iesus Christ for the remission of sins c. Rom. 6.4 And as for the subjects of this Baptisme of water I commend to R.H. his consideration Mr. Tombes his Book who is a Presbyterian as they are called and hath written largely upon that point whose Book yet remaines unanswered for any thing I understand to the contrary when R.H. hath answered him rightly he will satisfie many Christians who are at a stand and very much troubled about that point and when he hath positively proved his other things he speakes of and turned his interrogations into positive conclusions fully proved we shall then more particularly know what to answer to them In the meane time we will suffer him to make Quaerees and because he loves quaerees let him take this one not what he hath against but what he hath for any of his way to desire of the Parliament that which is inconsistent to the fundamentall Laws of the Kingdome did ever any of those whom he calls perverse and obstinate people desire such a thing Let him also know that untill he hath positively proved his own practice he must be suspected for a seducer according to his own first rule And marke further how he swerves from his owne first rule for whereas he titles those deceivers that will practice that they have no rule from Scripture for he finding himselfe destitute of Scripture runs to the old Popish shift and makes Quaeries and saith what have you against such and such things but let him know that God hath Interrogations to set against his Interrogations which will overthrow them Esay 1.12 saying Who hath required this at your hands So that we have enough against a thing when we have nothing for it for positive positions and practices must have positive proofes for negative positions negative proofes suffice I do not a thing because I find it not written sufficeth Therefore the Jewes circumcised Males because there was expresse command for it and not Females because they found it not written and yet they had no expresse command against it So in the Law we read that the Priests were to beare the Arke on their shoulders Num. 4.15 1 Chron. 15.2 as was there expresly commanded but there was no expresse command against carrying it on a Cart only they had learned that of the Philistims 1 Sam. 6. but God made a breach upon them for it 2 Sam. 6.8 9. 1 Chron. 15.13 And so they learned to do it afterwards according to the Law of God 1 Chron. 15.14 15. And the children of the Levites bare the Arke of God upon their shoulders as Moses commanded according to the Word of the Lord. He interrogates yet