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A86442	Some observations upon a sermon bearing the name of Mr. Astley's; preached in opposition to a testimony, and sign unto them, of their spiritual nakedness; wherein he is found to wrest and pervert the scriptures : to be ignorant of the truth, as it is in Jesus; and consequently no minister of Christ, &c. / By a lover of the truth, John Hogg.	Hogg, John, fl. 1675-1698.	1675 (1675)	Wing H2368A; ESTC R178082	15,967	23

Some OBSERVATIONS Vpon a Sermon bearing the name of Mr. Astley's Preached in opposition to a Testimony and Sign unto them of their Spiritual nakedness Wherein he is found to Wrest and pervert the Scriptures to be Ignorant of the truth as it is in Jesus and consequently no Minister of Christ c. By a lover of the truth John Hogg 30. Isa 1 2. Woe to the Rebellious children saith the Lord who take councel but not of me and cover with a covering but not of my Spirit But the way of the just is as a shineing light which shineth more and more unto the perfect day Pro. 4.18 Printed in the Year 1675. FRiends and Readers of the following discourse esteem me not your Enemy For behold I have no other end then love to your Immortal souls The Advancement of Gods Truth the vindication of those walking in it and the Answering of a good Conscience towards the Lord. I plead not for all that make a Profession of it knowing that there may be a shew of Godliness without the Power Therefore be neither hasty nor high minded Pride goes before a Fall and Anger resteth in the bosome of Fools I observe that we are reflected upon to be as Seducers using Lying Signes and Wonders by some who think they stand clear thereof 2 Thes 2 but let such take heed least they fall For seeing it is said in the place quoted against us that the day of Christ could not come except there was first a falling away Therefore I advise such as a Friend to consider their present standing and see if it be not in a falne away state from what the Ancients stood in If so as I question not but they will confess upon examination 1 Cor. 6.19 3.16 17. if they lay Judgement to the Line and Righteousness to the Plummit then consider if the man of Sin which is to be revealed sit not in the Temple of God in you So be serious and see if it be not thus with you First because it is called the Mi●tery of Iniquitie Secondly because he sits not as a man of sin or as Sathan Obs but as God in the Temple of God shewing himselfe that he is God Again consider after what manner he is to be destroyed it is by the Spirit of the Lords mouth and by the Brightness of his Coming Therefore mind you miss not of his coming by expecting him according to your Immaginations like the Jews who would not accept of him because he came not according to their wills and Expectations We are also Reflected upon to be as the False Christs spoken of Mat. 24. in that respect I have a certain Testimony to bear for the Truth which I would have you seriously to consider a Time was in which I stood as it were in the mi●●lest beholding all Professions hearing and observing how every particular Perswasion called Saying come Worship with us Lo here is Christ in our Form he is to be found in this or that Observation And whilest I thus considered their Plurality of Voyces it Amazed me because they did all appear to stand in one Ground all Professing but one God and g●…nerally with a like Zeal notwithstanding their variety of Calls and Voyces So being uncertain with whom to joyn I took up this resolution to love all but joyn with no particular Least I should thereby disrespect the rest now as I was in this Bewildred State the Lord God of Heaven and Earth ●h●…el me by the Light of his Eternal Spirit shining in me plainly to whom I should joyn to walk with them in Spirit in the Light of the Lord And therefore I cannot but speak well of his Name and by shis Light I plainly saw God was a Spirit and was not to be found in any of their dead Forms nor to come to by any of their Observations without but to be Worshiped in Spirit Obs and in Truth Therefore mind the Voice of Truth and see how contrary it is to all the Voyces of Loe-heres and the Loe-theirs which sayes go not forth Ro. 1.10 Mal. 3.1 Heb. 2.20 what is to be known of God is manifest in you turn Inward and wait for the Appearance of the Lord in his Temple there must you obtain certainty for his Coming is as the Lightening which shineth from the E●st unto the West this Testimony is true whether you will believe it yea or nay Lastly I would not have you to think that because I have observed somany Errors and contradictions where●he is one of the Leadersy it appears which causeth the People to erre which your selves may easily perceive by ingeniously reading my following observations made upon his Sermon that I have prejudice to him or to any of you For verely God having shed abroad his love in my heart hath tought me to love my Enemies c. But rather make this Ingenious construction of it which may answer my end in respect of you that is if I cannot perswade you to receive the Truth through the love of it then I may by making Errour and Deceit manyfest as before expressed oblige you to a serious consideration of your present standing that so at least you may come to see if the Blind lead the Blind they must both fall into the Ditch thus I am clear of you Giving you this Caution to be sure not to call true speaking Railing or Revileing but if you doe So that thereby be raised up in you against me Cain Ishmael or Esau's Spirit I shall not regard knowing my peace in the Lord who is the Portion of the Righteous c. The 25th 9. Month. 1673. Thus I am Your Friend John Hogg Some Observations on Richard Astleys Sermon c. FIrst passing by much of his discourse in the beginning not because it cannot be found fault with but because it is frivillous and not pertinent to our purpose So where he begins to reflect upon Daniel Smith as a Lying Sign unto them I shall observe the strength of those Reasons given by him to prove it First He sayes there is but three pretences that he can Immagine any make for such a naked carriage in the sight of others I shall shew you sayes he the vanity of them all c. Obs. It is very easy for a man to State his own Immaginations and then shew the vanity of them His first Immagination after the Fall sayes he they apprehend that Man by Jesus Christ was Restored to the same condition from which he fell by sin meaning an outward State But he is mistaken for we intend no more his meaning then those words Import an outward covering Wo unto them that take Council and not of me and cover with a covering and not of my Spirit saith the Lord Isa 30. because a covering must it needs be Outward Is there no other but if all be outward spoken of in the Beginning Tell me what day Parradise was made on Seing it is said in

should leave his Auditors in the Dark to discover those overcome with a Spirit of delusion First sayes he there is no manner of proportion betwixt their pretence and the reality which is in them c. Obs In his last direction I find that he means such are deceived themselves for saith he they are deceived as well as deciving So from his own word as most likely to perswade him that his Asertion is false I infer if deceived and thereby deceiving others there is Absolute proportion betwixt their end and the pretence they make for such perswades not to what they know is false but to what they think is true Sayes he they come with Esaus hand and Jacobs voice Jacob was not deceived for he knew what he did therefore this is a plain contradion to his own words in his last direction who said they was deceived as well as deceiving thus his first direction his discovered his own delusion His second direction reflecting upon us c. They sayes he pretend extraordinary calls for ordinary work as in this Example whose work but ordinary That that we might have told him as well as he us Obs If you might have done it as well as he Then truth I conclude So no sign of delusion And then why received he not from you such as you would have had done to you therefore your extraordinary words and Actions demonstrate your Spirits A Child he sayes might have told them as much If a Child had learnt it so he might Obs Is this saying so ordinary when true which Daniel Smith told you As he was naked so were you not being covered with the Spirit of the Lord and that this saying was true is granted by his own confession saying he told us nothing but what we might have told him this his second direction shews his own confusion c. His third direction stated It s a sign of a Spirit of delusion sayes he when there is a Special Impropriation of Christ and all good things to themselves with judging and condemning others c. Obs Thus to reflect upon us is manifest Injury And the effect of a Lying Spirit as shall be proved Ro. 1.19 Tit. 2.11 For Daniel Smith told you that what was to be known of God was manifest in you directing you to the grace of God in you and also that Gods love was towards you And that he would not have any one of you to perish with many more Good words to this purpose Now if you should think that those was not good things yet it is manifest that Daniel Smith and we also are clear of this charge By Preaching Gods free grace unto all Obs Must not every tongue confess truth unto God if so Col. 1.27 2 Cor. 13.5 why doth it offend you that we know Christ in us the hope of glory seeing if he be not in you You are Reprobates Can the Scripture confess you to the Father if Christ know you not and if he be not in you is he not worthy to be esteemed a better Leader then the Scriptures which doth at utmost but declare of him Joh. 5.39 and point to him that all should come to him that would have life Was not this the promise of the Father to give him for a Leader Acts. 1.4 5 6 7 8. And are not all his Disciples and followers to wait for the same Again he sayes indeed its ordinary sometimes to say that they are Christ c. Obs If he intend it is ordinary for us to say that we are Christ let him shew us who he hath known say so for indeed his words import certainty on his part But if he means it's ordinary for such Logicians as himselfe who by the Art of reasoning would make things appear to be that which in truth they are not then let him know such Reasoning is Earthly sensual Devilish And we pass not for it yet we can truly see thereby that such are Natural notwithstanding their pretences so cannot understand the things of God 1 Cor. 2.14 1 Joh. 2 20-27 1 Joh. 4.4 c. Obs Because Christ signifies anointed can none have the Annointing but they must be counted Christ did not the Primitive Christians acknowledge Christ in them and the Anointing in them and that he that was in them was greater then he that was in the world So this his third direction is a true discovery of his own condition Fourthly His last direction observed He saith that a Spirit of delusion is known by growing worse and worse c. Obs Wee are willing to leave the Issue hereof to the Tryal Being satisfied if he be not yet made Manifest according to his own Rule He shall be if he repent not Again he saith We have a more sure word of Pomise as though none had the Scriptures but they Here saith he we have our call and something to try it by Obs His ignorance of him that searcheth the Heart and tryeth the Reins and declareth to man his thoughts is plainly seen by his seting up the Scripture Amo. 4.13 as being surer then the Spirit of God By which Obs he shews vs evidently that his call is not of God So neither doth nor can Minister from the Abillity of the grace of God nor speak as the Oracle of God which is certain which all true Ministers are to doe 1 Pet. 4.10 That God in all things may be glorified But I infer if the Scripture be the Rule then all that have the Scriptures hath the Rule as well as you then I querie how comes it to pass there is so many different perswasions when you have all but one Rule Can the Scriptures have any more true meanings but one is Christ divided or is there any varyablenesse with God But if you cannot own that every one that hath the Scriptures is in the Right but only such as practise as you are perswaded Then I query How come you to be surer then others seeing they plead Scriptures to Iustifie them as well as you Therefore it follows if you think your selves surer then others Knowing no further then the Scriptures as R. A. affirmeth it is a seting up your selves above others So at best can be but an Imagination c. Thus by way of conclusion I need not Inlarge as to shew any thing further for the Justification of Daniel Smith in his naked carryage then the Substance of that Assertion stated by R A. as ours in his third Immagination seth when he pleaseth may by his Spirit Lead whom he pleaThat is that the Lord And into what he pleaseth now as well as he did the Prophets of Old For with him is no variableness nor shadow of turning and that because I have considered his strong Reasons Assertions and Arguments brought by him to Abrogate or Invalidate the former Assertion And they are found Instead of ours to fall to the ground And therefore is absolutely too short and too Narrow to Answer his End or to be as a cover So Daniel Smith Testimony remains firm And consequently in measure fulfilled by the Appearing of this discourse wherein Lyes is seen to be R. A's Refuge So not covered by the Spirit of the Lord nor did he take council of him Therefore let him and all that takes part with him in this Antichristian work take heed Such as they Sow such must they Reap if to the flesh then corruption Gal 6.7 8. Joh. 16.13 Joh. 15.5 Ro. 8.9 but if to the Spirit life Everlasting thus I conclude against his and all opposers utmost Force That their is no guide into all Truth but the Spirit of Truth And that without this Spirit nothing can be done acceptable to the Father and that he that hath it not is none of his This for detecting of Error that the truth may be made manifest and the honest hearted Informed who are or may be subject to be deceived by the working of the Immaginarie Spirit By a lover of the Truth and souls of all men whose eye God hath opened to see the deceit and thus far inabled to make it manifest 1 Cor. 27.28 29. let him therefore have the glory who chuseth the foolish things to confound the Wise saith John Hogg THis discourse occasioned by a Scandalous paper spread abroad under the name of Mr. Astley Sermon and being desirous to know the truth thereof it was conveyed unto him according as in this letter inserted But he refusing to Answer our just desire therein expressed We could do no lesse for the truth sake then publish it c. The 19. of the 9. Month. 1673. Richard Astley WHereas this Paper or Sermon which we present to thy view by thy Friend R. N. was publickly declared to be thine Before a Priest and divers People By one glorying and boasting in it over our Friends whom the Scorners call Quakers one of them being present heard him confidently affirm thou would own it Therefore we expect as just and equal that thou should give us it under thy hand as thine Or not thine if but part thine then plainly shew us what thou owns Or what thou disownes that the truth which is but one may be made manifest which hurts none but its Enemies this Ingeniously performed by thee will at present satisfie Thy Friends John Lyth John Hogg Anth Wells Richard Astleys Answer to the foregoing letter concerning his Sermon was that it was generally his own except some words that was not sence which we suppose came by the Scribe and no advantage taken of here now having long expected a more plain and full answer according to their Promise which not finding in this great length of time we conclude they do not intend to make it publick and therefore this is thought convenient to be published

if you will neither believe in it for its works sake nor yet the testimony of your Brethren who in that case may be your Judges But again to return to the matter we find that the Prophets Christ and his Apostles did thus make use of the Scriptures to correct reprove and instruct the backsliden and unbelieving Jews not but that he was perfect without them and his words as sure as they and so his Spirit speaking through all his servants but because the Scriptures was of credit and received by them which he and his servants was not Therefore he sayes to the Jews Search the Scriptures Obs for in them ye think to have Eternal life and they are they that testifie of me By which its manifest the Scriptures may be esteemed and searched to the best of mans understanding and yet they miss of the Truth for saith he Ye will not come unto me that ye may have Life John 5.39 Further to shew that the Scriptures of themselves without the Spirit cannot furnish to every good work Joh. 21.25 Joh. 16.13 for Christ saith to his Disciples who had the Scriptures and also more ' of his words then was supposed could be written I have many things to say unto you which you cannot bear yet Howbeit when the Spirit of truth is come it shall lead you into all truth by which it is manifest that Christ prefers this his Spiritual Dispensation above all outward Dispensations and teachings whatsoever to compleat perfect and furnish them Joh. 14.26 for saith he it doth not only lead into all Truth but it shall bring all things to your remembrance c. And not only so but fully to compleat them which are guided by it Obs He shall not speak of himselfe but what he heareth that shall he speak he shall take of mine and shew it unto you c. Joh. 14.17 The Spirit was to be looked for in them for saith he he that dwelleth with you shal be in you much might be added more upon this Subject but this is sufficient to those who have an Ear to hear what the Spirit saith But Least any should think those things only related to the Apostles mind Christ said I pray not for these alone but for them also Joh. 17 20-24 which shall believe in me through their word that they may be one as thou Father art in me and I in thee that they also may be one in us that the World may believe that thou hast sent me Thus R. A.s Assertion is denyed and the Spirit of Truth Asserted and proved to be the only guide into all truth Suppose his Argument was granted see then what would be the consequence for it was said to those that had Scripture notwithstanding they had Scripture for lack of vision the People perish Secondly for lack of Knowledg my People Perish and knowledge or understanding Pro. 29.18 Hos 4.6 Joh. 32.8 Luk. 10.22 2 Thesi 1. comes by the Inspiration of the Almighty Thirdly none knows the Father but the Son and he to whom the Son reveals him Lastly it is written God will render vengeance upon them that know him not c. By these things it is manifest there is a necessity to know somthing above and beyond the the Scriptures namely that Spiwhence they came for they cannot give the knowledge of God because they are not Christ c. Again he sayes there 's enough in the Scriptures God doth not use to bring his people any thing that is useless by which I conclude he sees not the true use of the Scriptures that can find no proportion between two extreams what either all or nothing thats his ignorance Secondly he saith there is no such Spirit to be expected nor no such way to be looked beyond and above the Scripture Io. 8.9 c. From this I conclude he belongs not to Christ because he denyes his Spirit for if he had his Spirit for if he had his Spirit he could not but conclude it a more perfect guide then the Scriptures I must from hence also conclude he is no Minister of Christ 2 Cor. 3.6 for the true Ministers of the New Testament which is written in the heart are Ministers of the Spirit but he of the letter and so by all his Preaching cannot bring one to God for he concludes the Scriptures is the way and no way above it But the Scriptures h. 14.6 declare against him saying Christ is the way unto the Father and none can come to the Father but by him So it 's full time for all to turn from him who turns all that comes to him out of the way His Argument prove that there is nothing to be looked for above or beyond the Scriptures is from the 2 Pet. 1.19 The Scriptures are a more sure word of Prophecie by which he concludes them surer then a voice from Heaven Obs Scriptures at utmost are but a declaration of those voices which came from Heaven So cannot be surer then a voice from Heaven no whut to abate his confidence I shall prove a voice from Heaven surer then the Scriptures from this very place where he reposeth his chiefest strength Mark this voice was certain This is my Beloved Son hear him Certainer I am sure it was to them that heard it then this very Scripture can be unto R. A. because some Translations renders it a more sure word of the Prophets as well as others a more sure word of Prophesie This difference is very great and by the Scriptures he cannot determine it He looks for nothing further so I am sure he cannot be certain but for brevity sake and further satisfaction in this particular peruse a Book of William Pen's called Quakerisme a new Nick-name for old Christianity from page d82 to 191. being an answer to his Brother John Faldow There is much builded more upon this foundation but it being removed the rest must come to nothing Thirdly He saith there is no such thing as an Extraordinary Inspiration to be looked for above the Scriptures Obs his notable reason for it and that sayes he is because it must necessarily be revealed to us by the Scriptures Ans Grant the Scriptures be the things of God with respect to what they declare of and at utmost they can be no more then it followes that they are so farre from revealing things which is above them That they cannot open the Mistery declared of in them to those that have them Because the things of God knoweth no man but the Spirit of God his Ignorance and want of Gods Spirit 1 Cor. 2.11 is further manifest by his setting up the Scriptures in stead of the Spirit of God saying it must be revealed to us by the Scriptures his Assertion is also in contradiction to the Scripture which he sayes is his guide by which it appears he is in the dark and so knows not whither he goes for it is written