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A77927 The innocency of the Christian Quakers manifested, and the truth of their principles and doctrine cleared and defended from the loud (but false) clamours, base insinuations and wicked slanders of James Barry. / Published for the general satisfaction and benefit of all, who simply desire to know and embrace the truth. Burnyeat, John, 1631-1690.; Strettell, Amos.; Barry, James. 1688 (1688) Wing B5967; ESTC R170925 24,109 32

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settle them in which is opposite to Gods Free Grace which brings Salvation James Barry also with some of his Hearers did account it an Errour in the Quakers to own immediate Revelation and said they did disown it Now seeing it is so that the immediate Spirit of Christ and its immediate Revelation is denyed by him we demand of him how he came to be a Minister and whence he hath his Ability and that Knowledge of God he pretendeth to have and from whom he hath received his Gospel that he Preacheth its evident enough not from Christ for indeed it is not like his nor him who would have gathered the Children of Jerusalem as a Hen her Chickens but they would not therefore were they rejected because they would not be gathered the Apostle saith 2 Cor. 3.6 they were made able Ministers of the new Testament not of the Letter but of the Spirit and verse 5. saith their sufficiency was of God and Gal. 1.11 12. the Gospel which Paul preached it was not after Man for he neither received it of Man neither was taught it but by the Revelation of Jesus Christ Eph. 3. he declares that he was made a Minister according to the gift of the grace of God given unto him by the effectual working of his Power and Peter saith 1 Pet. 4.11 If any man speak let him speak as the Oracles of God if any man Minister let him do it as of the ability which God giveth that God in all things may be glorified c. Now how is this ability received from God if not by his Spirit and therefore he gave different Gifts of the Spirit for the work of the Ministry and by that they were opened and inlarged and made able But James Barry denying this from whom hath he his Call and whence hath he his Gospel and Ability If he saith from God We desire to know how he received it being not by the Spirit he having denyed that and if it be not by the Spirit it cannot be from God For what a Man receives of Spiritual benefit it must be by the Spirit either immediately or mediately by its working through an Instrument Therefore let him make out how he comes by his Call Ability and that necessity he pretends to be upon him for the Divine Spirit being denyed it must be from Man or else from his own corrupt Heart for Self-interest Which is most probable that he might get Gain and live upon the People For it is evident his necessity is not the same that was upon the Apostle 1 Cor. 9.16 he owns not his way of receiving it nor doth follow his Example in preaching it And to his Hearers this advice we give Consider well your State and whether you profit under his Ministry or no For of old they that ran and the Lord did not send them did not profit the People for he denying Revelation by which the Father and the Son is savingly known No other Knowledge is come to without it but by Hear-say which is not that Knowledge Christ speaks of which is Life Eternal and for your satisfaction read the following Scriptures Mat. 11.27 Christ saith Neither knoweth any Man the Father but the Son and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him So Christ is positive that no Man knows God but by his Revelation Matt. 16.17 Christ saith it was the Father that revealed him unto Peter and Gall. 1.15.16 There you may see the Father revealed his Son in Paul 1 Cor. 2.10 The Apostle speaking of the great things God had prepared for them that love him saith God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit and in Eph. 1.17 you may see how the Apostle prayed for the Saints that God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ the Father of Glory would give unto them the Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation in the Knowledge of the Son and 1 Cor. 14.30 he saith if any thing be revealed to another that sits by let the first hold his Peace Here you may see that from the Testimony of the Holy Scripture which your Minister said should be the Standard to try every thing by that in the true Church Revelation was expected and to be given way to in the Church and by the Apostle was prayed for that God would give the Spirit and Revelation unto the Church for he knew they could not Worship Pray Preach nor Sing aright without it And what Is this accounted an Error now by your Minister or you Where is your Standard Will you not come to the Scriptures nor to the Spirit neither Where is your bottom and Foundation that you Build upon What 's your Root that bears you You have got a foolish Builder he will not follow the example of Paul a wise Master-Builder 1 Cor. 14.15 Paul said he would pray with the spirit c. and sing with the spirit c. Eph. 5.18 there the Apostle exhorts them to be filled with the spirit and Rom. 8.26 he saith they knew not what to pray for as they ought but the Spirit helped their Infirmities c. and Christ in the 4th of John saith that God is a Spirit and they that Worship him must Worship him in Spirit and Truth and such doth the Father seek to Worship him Now let your Minister clear these things up to you How in your Church or Families either He and you denying Revelation can Worship aright Preach Pray or Sing aright and by what you have Ability and know what to pray for without the Spirits help What are you so strong of your selves in your Self Ability that you do not need that which the Apostles and all true Christians sought the help of and could not do without Nay it was that by which they knew what to Pray for and therefore they waited for its assistance and Paul said he would pray with it You may make long Prayers like the Pharisees but what will it avail it being done without that in which the Saints had access to God. So here your Praying and Worship and Seperation or Gathering being without the Spirit What can it be but from self and in self and so like them spoken of in Jude 19. These be they who seperate themselves sensual not having the Spirit And we desire you to read the 8th Chapter to the Romans and consider what you are to walk after as Christians and to be led by and to live after and with what you are to mortifie the Flesh or the deeds of the Flesh if you own a Mortification needful to Salvation and whether you can be Christs and not have his Spirit and whether you can be the Sons of God and not be led by his Spirit and whether you are Children but by Adoption and if by Adoption whether this Adoption is not by the Spirit And whether it was not the Spirit it self that bore witness with the Saints Spirits that they were the Children of God as verse the 16. And then consider what
him And Coll. 3.11 Having spoken of them that had put on the new Man as before saith where there is neither Jew nor Greek c. but Christ is all and in all As the Apostle saith 1 Cor. 1 30. He was made of God unto them Wisdom Righteousness Sanctification and Redemption So here was the true Imputation or gift of God thus given or made theirs and so imputed and so they did witness his power to work in them as the Apostle saith Ephes 3. and 20. and in the same Chapter you may see how he desired with bowed Knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ that he would grant them according to the Riches of his glory to be strengthned with might by his Spirit in the inward Man and likewise in his Epistle to Titus 3.5 Having spoken of the Love of God to Mankind not by works of Righteousness which we have done but according to his Mercy he saved us by the washing of Regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost So here still the Apostle hath regard to the Doctrine of Christ and maintains Regeneration through the renewings of the Holy Ghost so they were washed thereby and born thereof To this agrees another Testimony of his 1 Cor. 6.11 Having told them that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God and having reckoned up to them the wickedness that the Gentiles were given to saith And such were some of you but ye are Washed but ye are Sanctified but ye are Justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. And what saith James Barry was not Righteousness here wrought in them was there none inherent when this work of Sanctification and washing was wrought by the Spirit or were they saved and justifyed while they were in those gross Evils beforementioned if so let us know what manner of Salvation it was for the Apostle saith None such shall inherit the Kingdom of God and the same Apostle saith Phil. 2.12 13. Work out your own Salvation with fear and trembling for it is God that worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure Now it is evident that though they preached Remission of Sins past in the name of Jesus to those that did believe and so through Faith their Sins came to be blotted out yet without this washing of Regeneration and work of the Spirit to renew them that they might be born again as Christ had said they could not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven and therefore you may see how the Christians witnessed the new Birth and how the Apostles laboured for it yet this neither was by them then nor is by us now accounted Man's work alone But was the work of Christ in them by his Spirit and that was the reason why the Apostle came under such a Travel as in Gall. 4 19. where he saith my little Children of whom I travel in Birth again until Christ be formed in you Here the Apostle was concern'd lest they should be lost and he had bestowed upon them Labour in Vain as verse 11. Seeing they were going out into the Observations which was unprofitable and therefore in Chap. 5.16 Saith this I say then walk in the Spirit and ye shall not fullfil the Lusts of the Flesh So you may see it was the Spirit the Saints were to walk in and thereby was the overcoming of the Flesh with its Lusts As the Apostle in Rom. 8 doth at large testifie and tells us plainly vers 9. that if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ he is none of his And verse 14. saith as many as are led by the Spirit of God they are the Sons of God. But James Barry with some of his Hearers denyed Revelation and accounted it an Errour in us to own it and therefore it cannot be expected that they should walk in it who denies it or that they should be adopted by it or Sealed by it And therefore let James Barry in his Answer make out how they came to be Christians or Children of God and whether they are Christs and how they came to be so and whether they own Regeneration necessary to Salvation yea or nay and whether this eternal Salvation he saith Sinners are saved by without any mixture of inherent Righteousness do fit man for the Kingdom of God yea or nay And whether any man can reap benefit by the active and passive Righteousness of Christ without except he have a true Faith and whether any Man can have a true Faith without the word of Faith and whether this word of Faith be not in the Heart c. yea or nay and whether true Faith be not an effect of this word in the Heart yea or nay According to Rom. 10. And this is not the speech of the Law but of the Righteousness of Faith as in verse 6th and 7th thou need not say who shall ascend into Heaven to fetch Christ down or who shall descend into the deep to bring him again from the dead c. verse the 8th the word is nigh in the Heart and Mouth This is the Word of Faith which we Preach and is this word there in the Heart and doth it beget Faith in Christ and concerning his Righteousness and yet no Righteousness within for James Barry will have no mixture it must be a Faith without Righteousness or else a Justification and Salvation without Faith so let him send forth his Arguments to prove us grand Hereticks according to his Promise and then it may be seen what we have further to say in the Vindication of our Principles which if he do not let it rest upon him as such a one and let Errour and Heresie lye at his door The next Error that he chargeth upon us as he lays it down in his own terms is that we do own Perfection in Sanctification as to degrees in this Life Answer We having said so much before tending to prove this no Errour in our so owning of it need now say little more especially seeing we never heard it accounted an Errour before till now by him and do question whether any will be now of his mind the Apostle as is shewed before said to the Saints they were washed and they were sanctified and again he speaks of their being saved by the washing of Regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost and Jude vers 1. writes unto such as were sanctified by God the Father and preserved in Jesus Christ Was this Washing and Sanctification which was by God the Father and by his Spirit and in the name of Jesus Christ altogether without Perfection that it is by James Barry accounted an Error to hold Perfection of Sanctification in any degree What! is the Works of God and his Spirit in Christ so imperfect that it admits of no degree of Perfection in them then how should the Saints perfect Holiness in the fear of God according to the Exhortation given by the Apostle 2 Cor.