Selected quad for the lemma: spirit_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
spirit_n	father_n	speak_v	word_n	8,168	5	4.4024	3	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A41431	The sum of a conference had between two divines of the Church of England and two Catholic lay-gentlemen at the request and for the satisfaction of three persons of quality, August 8, 1671.	Gooden, Peter, d. 1695.	1687 (1687)	Wing G1099; ESTC R34918	23,435	41

chang'd they appear to our Sense as to their Nature Substance c. to be seen and touch'd as before but are believ'd to be somewhat else i. e. what they are made And this Belief is not Chimerical or Imaginary but the things are really what they are believ'd to be and for that they are so are Ador'd so that they must be really chang'd into Christ's Body for else they could not be Ador'd without Idolatry The very Words as they lay convinc'd the Magdeburgenses that Theodoret held Transubstantiation and I suppose had not these two Words Nature and Substance been in the Quotation but only Figure and Form we had never heard of it at this time If therefore I shew you that Nature and Substance are frequently taken to signifie that which is as consistent with our Exposition and the Catholic meaning of Theodoret as Figure and Form in this place are I shall not only make it cease to be clear against us but also shew that it will be clear for us Nature and Substance do sometimes signifie what the Philosophers call properly Substance as distingush'd from Accidents i. e. Matter and Form. And thus taken it can be no Object of Sense can neither be seen nor touch'd Sometimes it signifies the Properties natural Qualities and Accidents with which those Substances are cloathed Physicians frequently say that they have the Substance of Herbs in their Medicins when they have only the Vertue of those Herbs and not all the Matter and Form So we say of Meat that it has but little Juice or Substance when it has but little Vertue or good natural Qualities The Fathers say that the Substance of Man was deprav'd by Original Sin i. e. the Inclinations and natural Affections St. Paul says that by Nature we are the Children of Wrath that the Gentiles by Nature perform the Law In all which Speeches and a hundred other Nature and Substance do not signifie strictly as Philosophers use those Words when they are oppos'd to Accidents but Popularly and Vulgarly and signifie no more than Properties Conditions Qualities c. Now supposing Theodoret to take Substance and Nature in this place in the latter Sense and to mean by them no more than the exterior Substance or visible and sensible Qualities of Bread and Wine the Text is evidently for us And that the Father must take the Words in this popular Sense is evident from the whole Discourse For he says first That before Consecration they are one thing and after Consecration they are chang'd and made another thing Now if they be chang'd and made another thing the change must be either in the Interior or Exterior Substance but it is most plain they are not chang'd in the Exterior Substance for as to that they remain visibly the same and do not recede from their Nature as Sense assures us Ergo it must be in their Interior Substance which is not liable to Sense and therefore as the Father in this very place says They are seen and touch'd as before but are believ'd to be another thing i. e. what they are made and are ador'd as being what they are believ'd The Doctor has told you in the late Book I mentioned the danger of adoring any thing but God therefore according to him this Father must hold these Symbols he here speaks of to be chang'd into the Body of our Lord before they become the Object of Adoration or else he must be guilty of Idolatry in teaching that something besides God ought to be Ador'd i. e. Worship'd with Divine Honor. As to the place quoted out of Gelasius the same distinction above of the sense of the Words Nature and Substance solves that And that there must be such a distinction in the Words of this Father is most evident for without that he contradicts himself in the Words quoted for he has two Words five times in ten lines and if in all these Places they must signifie strictly the Father talks Nonsense and so far enough from being a good Authority to justifie a Separation But if the Words must be taken in divers Senses and it not being evident which Sense is applicable to this or that place then it is at least uncertain and dark and consequently not fit as not being so clear as it should to justifie a Separation But if the Place it self from its own terms disposes us to apply the strict Sense in this or that Part and the popular Sense in this or that other so as to countenance Transubstantiation then this Quotation will be very far from doing them any Service Now let us consider the Words He says By the Sacrament we are made Partakers of the Divine Nature yet the Substance or Nature of Bread and Wine do not cease to be If Nature must be taken strictly and philosophically in both places then we are made Partakers of the Divine Nature strictly and philosophically and not only effectually or virtually then the Divine Nature must be actually there and yet the Nature of Bread and Wine will not cease to be there so that this perhaps thus far might favour Lutheranism but can no way help the Church of England Then follow these words And surely the Image and Similitude of the Body and Blood of Christ are celebrated in the Action of those Mysteries We do own this Expression and do acknowledge it is frequent amongst the Fathers to say that the blessed Sacrament is a Figure of Christ's Passion and that the Exterior Substances which we see are a Figure to us of the Interior Substance of Christ's Body and Blood which we see not but are to believe to be contain'd under those Species Then he goes on and says Therefore it appears evidently enough to us that that is to be understood by us in our Lord Christ himself which we profess in the Image of him Observe that Image is here us'd as we said above We celebrate and take them and even as they pass into this to wit the Divine Substance by the Power of the Holy Spirit remaining notwithstanding in the Property of their Nature c. We spoke to the signification of the Word Nature above speaking to the foregoing Words of this Father Now let us consider the Word Substance which the Protestants must have to signifie strictly and philosophically in the Words before or else this Quotation proves nothing But that being suppos'd they must shew us that it signifies otherways in these last Words They pass into the Divine Substance or else they must grant that it signifies strictly here also and then it is Nonsense for it amounts to thus much The Elements of Bread and Wine pass into the Divine Substance strictly and philosophically and we are made partakers of the Divine Nature strictly c. Yet the Substance and Nature of Bread and Wine do not cease to be strictly and philosophically Can any Body understand this What does pass into the Divine Substance Nothing sure if the Nature and