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A79534 A true discovery of the ignorance, blindness, and darkness of those who are called magistrates about Carlile in Cumberland, who call Light darkness, and truth error, and judge them blasphemers who are sent of the Lord to declare the eternal word of truth amongst them, but the Lord hath made himself manifest in the hearts of his people, and opened their eyes here in the northern parts, whereby they plainly see the tyranny, oppression, and cruelty of those who are called magistrates and rulers, who do imprison the servants of the most high God, for declaring against sin and abomination, held up in markets and steeple-houses, and so they that depart from iniquity and stand in obedience to the commands of the Lord, makes himself a prey to that generation; but the Lord is risen for Sions deliverance, all praise and glory be to him for evermore. J.C. Camm, John, 1604?-1656. 1654 (1654) Wing C393; Thomason E740_8; ESTC R202139 12,325 19

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taught them and when he is come again must he not speak and where he is made manifest and be King and rule That Christ that dyed at Jerusalem and if it be any other Christ but that Christ he is Antichrist for Christ is but one in all his Saints the same Christ yesterday to day and for ever And Saul Saul why persecutest thou me for it was that Christ that was risen that said he was persecuted he is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world I was in prison and I was sick and ye visited me not hungry and naked and ye clothed me not but as much as ye did it not to one of these little ones ye did it not unto me And it s the spirit of your Father that speaketh in you and except ye have the same spirit that raised up Christ from the dead ye are none of his And if you have the same spirit must not that spirit speak Christ in you the hope of glory which is the mystery which is hid from Ages and Generations but now is made manifest the same Christ as ever was and must not this Christ speak where he is made manifest or must he be dumb The son of perdition in man which is exalted above all that is called God he would not have the one Christ to regn and speak which is in all his Saints who is the head of the man and must not the head of the man speak but where the Prince of the Ayr rules and the Son of perdition above all that is called God they have a prison to put Christ into where he speaks who disobeys the light of Christ in them and imprisons it they are the hypocrite Pharisees Rulers and chief Priests which under colour and profession of Christ and God yet they are the enemies to the Son of God and imprisons him thus where he is made manifest and they that were then against Christ they are the same against him now in Nature for Christ to day yesterday and for ever is witnessed Accusation 6. Because I said the Bible was not the word of God God is the Word Joh. 1.1 it is but a declaration of the Word and the word was God and the word was made flesh and dwelt amongst us This was not the Letter and the Letter saith the word is sharper then a two-edged sword he doth not say the Bible is sharper then a two-edged sword Heb. 4.12 And Jeremiah saith the word is as a hammer and a fire but he doth not say the Letter is a hammer and a fire but the Letter saith the Word is so so you blaspheme in saying the Bible is the Word and sets it up before God who is the Word and was before the Letter was Accusation 7. Because I said I had no remorse for sin and that the Saints judged the hearts He that is born of God sinneth not what remorse for sin can there be in him which doth not commit sin love thinketh no evil so it cannot have remorse for that it thinketh not and a good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit and as he is so are we in this present world and he that doth righteousness is righteous even as he is righteous Heb. 10.17 18. Their sins and iniquities will I remember no more now where remission is there is no Sacrifice for sin and here you shew your selves ignorant of the Scripture as you may 1 Cor. 14.24.25 Job 21.27 Christ saith judge not by outward appearance but with righteous judgement and the Apostle saith the Saints shall judge the world and Solomon saith he hath set the work in their hearts Hos 4. they set their hearts on iniquity there he judged their iniquity Ezekiel Judges the heart 14.13 the Lord let him see their hearts Stephen judged their hearts Act. 7. and here you shew your selves ignorant of the Scripture and the life that gave them forth Examination 8. And whereas I said my words hardened Cresters heart which the event of it did shew forth when the Apostles did speak of the things concerning the Kingdom of God divers were hardened and believed not but speak evil of that way Act. 19.8 9. As you do now is this Scripture fulfilled and was not Cresters and the rest hardened Pharoah-like who imprisoned the just for telling the truth Accusation 9. Because I said I was perfect Noah was perfect in his Generation Gen. 6.9 And that ye stand perfect and compleat in the will of God for by one Offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified The Apostle said he spoke wisdom among them that were perfect as many as are perfect be thus minded the Apostle did not bid imprison them now see how contrary you walk to Scripture rule who imprisons him that saith he is perfect if they which gave forth the Scriptures were here you would imprisom them and Christ saith be you perfect as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect and every one that is perfect must be as his Lord and as he is so are we in this present world Coll. 4.12 Heb. 10.4 1 Cor. 2.9 Phil. 3.15 Matth. 5.48 And for saying there was but one son of God The Son of God is but one in all the Saints male and female Christ all in all And the son it is that makes free and all that is made free by this son and all that hath the Son of God hath life and all that hath not this Son of God hath not life and here you shew that you are ignorant of the Scriptures and of this Christ this Son of God which you have long professed in words that makes so many Sects amongst you but now persecutes him and imprisons him wher he is manifest why persecutest thou me saith Jesus for them that witnessed Jesus was brought out of the Jewish Synagogues and Temple and they haled them out and persecuted them as you do no now who witnessed the substance And they must come of the Priests and witnessed the unchangable Priesthood Christ Jesus so now they who do witness the unchangeable Priesthood and are brought of the worlds Assemblies which hath the form and to them holds forth the power such as are haled forth of the Synagogues and imprisoned with you who have the form as your Fathers had And for that which was said the Son of God spake to them there and is risen Where the Son of God is made manifest must he not speak here you have shewed forth your selves he that is born after the flesh persecutes him that is born after the Spirit and persecntes him and prisons him and here you yave shewed that you prison the son of God here see if your Laws be not your Wills as the Jews was against Christ and be ye witnesses against your selves know ye not that Christ is in you except ye be reprobates And as for saying Thomas Crester tempted him did not they who was out of the Truth tempt the son of God who had
A True DISCOVERY Of the Ignorance Blindness and Darkness Of those Who are called Magistrates about Carlile in Cumberland who call Light Darkness and Truth Error and judge them blasphemers who are sent of the Lord to declare the eternal word of truth amongst them but the Lord hath made himself manifest in the hearts of his people and opened their eys here in the northern parts whereby they plainly see the Tyranny Oppression and Cruelty of those who are called Magistrates and Rulers who do imprison the servants of the most high God for declaring against sin and abomination held up in Markets and Steeple-houses and so they that depart from iniquity and stand in obedience to the Commands of the Lord makes himself a prey to that generation but the Lord is risen for Sions deliverance all Praise and Glory be to him for evermore J. C. LONDON Printed for G. Calvert 1654. A true discovery of the Ignorance Blindness and Darkness of those who are called Magistrates about Carlile in Cumberland HIm whom the world calls George Fox was moved of the Lord God of Heaven and Earth to go into Cumberland and the Lord let him see he had a people in it and was moved to go into Carlile and was moved to go into the Market and stept upon the side of the Cross and a grief came upon him to see the deceits and filthiness that the people lived in and he was moved to bid them lay away all deceitful Marchandise and cozening and cheating and bad them repent for the judgement day of the Lord is coming and other words as he passed up the streets afterwards he was moved to go up to the Castle to speak to the souldiers to shew them where their Teacher was and their condemnation was the light of Christ that hated it then upon the first day he was moved to go to the Steeple-house and he stayed till the Priest had done and the Priest passed a-away and then the rude multitude rose and there was a cry Down with the Roundheaded rogues ANd upon the second day of the week the Magistrates thereabouts they sent for him the said George and examined him and sent him to prison as the examination followeth Oh the oaths that is in the Land the Land mourns because of oaths and fighters strikers and drunkards and all manner of wickedness so that men if they can but have a kinde of a custom of preaching and telling what the Prophets and Apostles spoke And to have a fellow to have so much in the year to read it and expound it or preach it as they call it and people to come once a week to hear him so then after some to the Ale-house drinking and some fighting and swearing and cursing when many hath been moved of the Lord to go into their Assemblies and to speak what they have been moved of the Lord to speak in the time of their speaking some striking with Bibles some with fists some with stones and some haled to the stocks and before Magistrates and so to prison and say they have broken Queen Maries Law which Law guarded all the Papists and Jesuits which Law guards the Priests in England now so then you are under the popish act and his power which is to be condemned with the unlimited power which power should limit the spirit of the mighty God of Heaven and Earth who is setting up his own Law who will give liberty to the righteous seed I am moved to warn you to take heed how you make Laws to limit the holy Spirit of God if you do God will turn his sword against you and cut you down A friend of them whom the world calls Quakers when he was brought before the Rulers and Magistrates they asked him what was his name and he said it was hid from the world and the world knew it not and they asked him what his name was and he said they should never know it and then he was free to tell them what the world called him else he saw their deceit And he asked whether they should overcome sin as long as they were here upon the Earth and they said no so then he put them among the Papists in the Purgatory after death The Examination and Accusation of Geo. Fox THe Accusation of George Fox being the name as the world calls him by late of Drayton in Leicestershire taken at Carlisle the first of August saith as the world saith He was born in Leicestershire and that he is in perfect memory at this time and that he hath attained to perfection and that he hath been in Heaven and that there is but one Son of God and that he is risen and speaketh to us now here and that he doth not commit sin for he that is born of God sinneth not neither can he have any remorse for sin he that is born of God neither can he because he is born of God and the seed of God remaineth in him and that the Saints upon the Earth doth judge the hearts and that Thomas Cresters did sin in tempting him by propounding some Questions to him And he saith That the Bible is a Decsaration of the word of God and not the Word but God is the Word and that which he speaks is true Scripture and there is but One and that which he speaks is Truth and Eternal you shall witness it speaking to Wilfro Lawson and others then present And being demanded why he came into the place he said he was moved of the Lord of Heaven and Earth to speak to the Consciences of men and that particularly the words that he did speak did harden Thomas Cresters heart and that he now sees the face of God as wel as the faces of them that were present at this Examination he being asked why he continued in the meeting-place after he was wished to depart he said Whether is it better to obey God or man by the means to avoid tumuits and disorder being demanded likewise whether he would stay in this place he saith he must stay lo long as his Fathers Will is And when I began to declare against the deceits of the Priests and how they acted contrary to Christ I heard Make him a Mittimus And what I was moved of the Lord to come thither for where every one might have his Teacher and that in all Consciences should witness me eternally The Rulers wives were the first that persecuted in the Steeple-house and stirred up the rude multitude A Prisoner of the Lord at Carlisle and standing accused for witnessing forth that which the Saints witnessed And having a cloud of Scriptures to maintain nhe same that the ignorant and simple may see that it was the righteous seed that ever suffered by the unrighteous seed of evil doers which suffers so Accusation 1. ANd for that I am accused for saying I was in Heaven which I have many witnesses in the Scriptures as followeth Paul said he was caught up into the third