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A59957 William Penn and the Quaker in unity, the Anabaptist mistaken and in enmity, or, A brief reply to a sheet sent abroad by Jeremy Ives, entituled, William Penn's confutation of a Quaker, or, An answer to a late libel William Shewen. Shewen, William, 1631?-1695. 1674 (1674) Wing S3427; ESTC R5116 7,090 12

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if he will not take the Counsel of his Friends nor of those he counts his Enemies it argues he is not endued with that Wisdom which is from above which inclines those that have it to be easily entreated to that which is good And seeing he hath taken Pains to set forth some of his Opinions divulged in Croyden-Market-Place and hath omitted the rest I think it necessary to insert them all as in the Book which are as followeth THe same Body that is now the Habitation of the Soul and Spirit shall rise again and enter with the Soul united into everlasting Joy or Torment It may be in the great Day of Judgment God may receive the Heathen to Glory but it is more then they know whether he will or no For those People that have not the Scriptures among them in common have no Knowledge of their future Estate All the Light in men could never reach them discover or reveal unto them That Christ was born of a Virgin and that he suffered c. It may tell them that Blasphemy and Drunkenness c. is Sin but could never tell that God would save them I do deny that every man is lighted with the Light of Christ for the Scripture saith That many are in Darkness and stumble because there is no Light in them That the Light which lighteth every man is not the Light of Christ yet it is a Divine Light There is a Natural Light in all men which may shew them Sin and this Natural Light is Divine for every Gift of God is perfect therefore Divine Men may sin out all Sense of Sin and become Darkness and have no Light in them The Sun may shine and some men may shut their Eyes and will not see it and some are blind and cannot see it Are they therefore enlightned by it So likewise c. I will stick by the present Translation of the New Testament which was effected by Twenty or Thirty Learned Wise Men by the King's Authority and if I understood Greek never so well it would be unmannerly to contradict them The Light that is come into the World was designed of God to enlighten every man but Thousands are not enlightened by it George Whitehead and William Gibson are not enlightened with he Light of Christ though I grant that there is a Light an every man which is Divine yet not the Light of Christ I deny that the Light of God is one with the Light of Christ the Father and Son are Relatives but not one the Light of the Father Son and Spirit are Divine but not one That which is Divine in God becomes Natural when given to men Some in the World are without Christ therefore some in the World are without the Light of Christ Some of these he saith are laid broakenly down not in his Words he knows I sent him a Copy of them before they were printed why would he not tell me so before now His saying so now signifies little if I had noted them wrong he shewed a lofty disdainful Temper that he would not shew me wherein in its Season his saying so now ought not to be regarded They are all spoken briefly to in the Book aforesaid and the Absurdness and Ridiculousness of many of them is obvious to every Judicious Impartial Reader to which I refer the Title of the Book is The Vniversality of the Light asserted and to be had at several Shops in and about London Now since his being at Croyden where he spent some time in Opposing that word Inlighteneth in the first of John Verse the 9th contending against our Friends saying That Christ Inlightens every Man c. in a Book of his printed in the year 1656. Title Innocency above Impudency pag. 16. viz. My Book call'd Quakers Quaking pag. 49. viz. I have these Words I did not oppose the saying of John which is That Christ Inlightene every One that comes into the World so if I had met with it timely it would have saved me that labour of setting before him at the end of my Book if he would have believed himself how that Verse is read in divers Natural Tongues But to proceed to the Conclusion with Jeremy at present he saith He doth once more signifie in the Behalf of all Christians generally and of the Baptists in particular offer to prove the Quakers No Christians and their Ministers Impostors I only in short say thus much That the Generallity of Christians hath not imployed him as their Agent if they should their Cause would be at a low Ebb and for ought I understand T. H. and the Baptists in particular deny and disown their Delegating of him though he pretended they had at Wheeler-street-Meeting So for what I see he would sam be a Volunteer Reformado or Mer enary and gives himself out to be such ready to do the work thereof before he is listed This shews he has a Giddy Head and a Strong Conceit and would be doing something which no Christian will thank him for Indeed Jeremy I advise thee as before to take William Penn's Counsel and prove thy self a Christian first and let thy Life and Conversation preach as loud as thy Tongue or else besilent for the future Now if the Quvkers cannot prevail with the Baptist to have a Publick Meeting wherein to prove their Charge against Thomas Hicks and those that joyn with him in his Ficctious Dialogues People may clearly perceive they are not able to abide the Test Therefore now further let this Jeremy T. Hickr and the rest agree together to give a Description of that Christian and Christian Preacher in all his Parts Qualifications Doctrines Practices and Obedience which they charge the Quaker to be none of And in the first Place prove and demonstrate themselves such and they and the World may receive an Answer thereto and so leave all to the Consciences of the Judicious and all People whose-Profit Information Edification the Quakers desire with all their Hearts which may be a Means to bring some Issue to what of late hath past between both William Shewen Southwark the 9th of the 9th Month 1674. THE END
William Penn AND THE QUAKER IN UNITY THE Anabaptist Mistaken AND IN ENMITY OR A Brief Reply to a Sheet sent abroad by JEREMY IVES Entituled William Penn's Confutation of a Quaker or An Answer to a late Libel William Shewen Printed in the Year 1674. William Penn and the Quaker IN UNITY c. TO pass by his Recital of his former Goliah li●e Challenge which he falsly calls A Sober Request in the Front of this Sheet enough being said to it already by several Pens I proceed to consider what follows And I quickly find him under Grand Mistakes or Wilful Ignorance First In calling my Return to his Scandalous Paper a Libel because but the two principal Letters of my Name were at it in this he deals not fairly because he might have known my Name for asking of the Person that gave him one of the Papers into his Hand and so might several of his Brethren also But further those Writings or Printed Papers where the two real Letters of the Author's Name is affixed are not to be called nor accounted Libels especially when the Name may be known for asking Besides Reader Jeremy hath contradicted and bewrayed himself in this very Sheet of his as is manifest by comparing Paragraph the 6th with the 2d in the one he saith He knoweth not who W. S. is In the other he saith so much as may signifie he doth know his words are thus Some of those Opinions of mine which in HIS PAPER AND BOOK entituled The Universallity of the Light Asserted he calls Absurd and Ridiculous Now my Name was at large to the Book and W. S. to this Paper and he himself calls them both mine so it s evident he was not ignorant of my Name or if he was it was Wilful Ignorance only he seems minded to make himself Sport in a Mountebank manner and to set it up for a Libel and to bring William Penn's words against a real Libel to fight with it in this he hath imitated his Brother Hicks who formed and fashioned a Quaker and his Opinions and then Dialogued with him which is one of the greatest Abuses among men to present things contrary to what indeed they are the practice of an arrant impostor Now as Writings are accounted no Libels where the two Letters of the Authors Name is affixed so it doth not always follow that where a Name is at large to Books or Writings that it is the Authors Name for about the same time this Scandalous Paper of Jer. Jves's came abroad Richard Baxter in a printed Sheet warns People of two printed Papers under his Name at large which he was not the Author of so this Jer. Ives hath no ground to Carp and Jeer at my cautious Writing and putting in these Words Said to be within a Parenthesis for I say again if I had not had some other Reasons besides his Name twice affixe I might have endeavoured to have known it from himself without deserving to be charged with Impertinency Guile or Blame and he and the rest of his Brothren would shew themselves more like Christians if they would manifest the like Care and Circumspection in what they father upon the Quakers And now I would have the Reader clearly understand that William Penn's Answer which Jeremy espouses and speaks in against me was not to such a Sort of Paper where the two Letters of the Authors Name was affixt and might have been known son asking he sought and enquired and could not learn it neither would the Baptist in whose Favour it seemed to be published own it nor discover the Author therefore this Jeremy hath very fouly and evilly applyed his Words and hath put this Case in its stead without the like Reason or Ground herein he hath dealt more like a Forger then a fair Adversary and were he of a tender Spirit and his Conscience rightly informed I would appeal unto him to answer whether he is not conscious of his Guilt herein I do tell him and the World that I had no Design to conceal my Name though W. S. was only in the Copy yet I gave the Printer express Order to put my Name at length though he omitted it for which I blamed him It might have prevented Jeremy of a colourable Pretence for the chiefest Matter in his Answer But however the World cannot see nor truly say as he falsly insinuates That the Quakers allow Nameless Libels to blast their Adversaries and he hath no Proof for it being never their Practice Now Reader the Cause of the Quakers remains the same still it concerns them to insist upon their Charge against T. H and all that abet him in his Fictitious Forged Dialogues wherein he hath evilly presented them and their Principles to the Nation Now if this Jeremy who was deputed to be one of the three or four on the Baptists Part at Barbican will appear in the stead of T. H. c. and answer to their Charge of Forgery c. they will be ready to meet him publickly as Time and Place shall be agreed upon but as single Jeremy they have no Reason to regard his daring interposing Challenge till they are heard concerning T. H. from his first Dialogue to the Book entituled The Quakers Appeal answered or till T. H. confesseth and acknowledgeth his Folly and Vnchristian Behaviour towards them In my Return to his Scandalous Paper I said I did not count it worth my Time to write or discourse with him about Matters relating to the pure Christian Religion barely as J. I. and that as so he was not worth disputing with and I make the same Account still and say the same again and W. Penn hath not contradicted me therein in saying at the Barbican-Meeting About the Beginning of his Discourse with him he had found him a pretty fair Adversary which had chiefly Relation to the Experience he had of him nigh two Years before at Wickam at which Time he behaved himself more fairly then of late and W. P. might expect the like then and say ' He was as free to dispute with him as any But my Saying is since Barbican and Wheeler-Street-Meeting occasioned by my Observation both of the Matter and Manner of his Discourse and unsavory Behaviour and since his vapouring unchristian Challenge came to Light and his manifesting himself a Confederate with T. H. to rescue him in his Forgeries c. And though W. P. said so then yet since he hath given him occasion enough to be of my Mind now he having verified that Saying in Scripture EVIL MEN AND SEDUCERS WAX WORSE AND WORSE And if he understands himself commended by W. R. for a Conscientious tender-hearted Zealous Disputer who hath the Glory of God the Good of Souls and the Prosperity of the Christian Religion chiefly in his Eye in what he undertakes he very grosly mistakes himself and abuseth him as he may plainly see in his last Sheet in Answer to his Sober Request c. Now it is because he