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A15418 Limbo-mastix: that is, A canuise of Limbus Patrum shewing by euident places of Scripture, inuincible reasons, and pregnant testimonies of some ancient writers, that Christ descended not in soule to Hell, to deliuer the Fathers from thence. Containing also a briefe replie to so much of a pamphlet lately published, intituled, An answere to certaine obiections against the descension &c. as lookes that way, and is personally directed against some writers of our Church. Willet, Andrew, 1562-1621. 1604 (1604) STC 25692; ESTC S120030 49,797 70

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prove_v before_o and_o confess_v by_o the_o answerer_n yet_o in_o regard_n of_o the_o manifold_a inconvenience_n that_o will_v ensue_v upon_o the_o other_o sense_n a_o figurative_a speech_n shall_v be_v admit_v first_o one_o inconvenience_n 27._o be_v the_o contradiction_n of_o scripture_n because_o elsewhere_o christ_n say_v this_o day_n shall_v thou_o be_v with_o i_o in_o paradise_n luk._n 23._o 43._o which_o must_v be_v understand_v of_o christ_n soul_n as_o shall_v be_v show_v afterward_o second_o see_v christ_n commend_v his_o soul_n into_o the_o hand_n of_o his_o father_n it_o will_v follow_v that_o descend_v into_o hell_n and_o to_o be_v among_o the_o infernal_a and_o damn_a spirit_n shall_v be_v a_o commend_v of_o the_o spirit_n to_o god_n three_o this_o hell_n that_o christ_n go_v to_o he_o loose_v the_o sorrow_n of_o act._n 2._o 24_o which_o have_v seize_v upon_o he_o but_o can_v not_o hold_v and_o detain_v he_o but_o hell_n sorrow_n he_o never_o feel_v in_o that_o place_n 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〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o this_o text_n be_v cite_v out_o of_o the_o old_a testament_n must_v be_v understand_v according_a to_o the_o phrase_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n otherwise_o who_o know_v not_o but_o that_o some_o word_n borrow_v out_o of_o the_o old_a testament_n be_v in_o the_o new_a use_v in_o another_o sense_n than_o in_o the_o old_a as_o the_o word_n gehenna_n be_v take_v in_o the_o new_a to_o signify_v hell_n mat._n 5._o 22._o which_o in_o the_o old_a be_v call_v the_o valley_n of_o the_o son_n of_o hinnon_n jere._n 7._o 31._o where_o they_o torment_v their_o son_n when_o they_o offer_v they_o up_o in_o sacrifice_n to_o their_o idol_n whence_o they_o apply_v the_o name_n to_o
faith_n article_n of_o christ_n descension_n be_v expound_v according_a to_o the_o scripture_n and_o analogy_n of_o faith_n yet_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o the_o ancient_a church_n do_v not_o hold_v any_o such_o descension_n of_o christ_n soul_n to_o limbus_n patram_n as_o a_o article_n of_o the_o faith_n and_o therefore_o concern_v this_o matter_n we_o may_v say_v with_o leo_n what_o reason_n have_v 3._o they_o to_o bring_v in_o new_a thing_n that_o our_o elder_n never_o know_v argum._n 4._o that_o which_o christ_n perform_v upon_o the_o cross_n he_o need_v not_o afterward_o to_o go_v down_o to_o hell_n to_o perform_v but_o he_o triumph_v over_o death_n hell_n and_o the_o devil_n upon_o the_o cross_n and_o there_o wrought_v our_o deliverance_n ergo_fw-la he_o need_v not_o for_o these_o cause_n descend_v to_o hell_n the_o assumption_n or_o second_o part_n be_v prove_v by_o the_o scripture_n coloss._n 2._o 14._o 15._o he_o have_v blot_v out_o the_o hand-writing_n of_o ordinance_n which_o be_v against_o we_o and_o fasten_v they_o to_o the_o cross_n etc._n etc._n and_o have_v spoil_v principality_n and_o power_n have_v make_v a_o show_n of_o they_o open_o triumph_v over_o they_o in_o the_o same_o so_o read_v and_o expound_v origen_n this_o place_n of_o christ_n triumph_n upon_o the_o cross_n upon_o these_o word_n numb_a 24._o 9_o he_o couch_v as_o a_o young_a lion_n he_o lay_v down_o like_o a_o lion_n when_o hang_v numer_n upon_o the_o cross_n he_o put_v down_o principality_n and_o power_n and_o triumph_v over_o they_o in_o the_o tree_n of_o his_o cross_n augustine_n also_o show_v that_o our_o deliverance_n be_v full_o wrought_v upon_o the_o cross_n and_o the_o devil_n vanquish_v serm_n 174._o trophaeo_fw-la svo_fw-la diabolus_fw-la victus_fw-la est_fw-la seducendo_fw-la primum_fw-la hominem_fw-la occidit_fw-la occidendo_fw-la novissimum_fw-la primum_fw-la de_fw-la laqueis_fw-la perdidit_fw-la exultavit_fw-la diabolus_fw-la quando_fw-la mortuus_fw-la est_fw-la 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bellarmine_n be_v drive_v here_o to_o this_o shift_n to_o grant_v that_o although_o the_o presence_n of_o christ_n 15._o soul_n be_v not_o necessary_a in_o hell_n yet_o it_o be_v of_o congruity_n it_o shall_v be_v there_o present_a if_o the_o presence_n of_o christ_n soul_n in_o hell_n be_v not_o of_o necessity_n how_o have_v they_o all_o this_o while_n urge_v it_o as_o a_o article_n of_o the_o faith_n for_o every_o article_n of_o the_o faith_n be_v to_o be_v hold_v as_o necessary_a argum._n 5._o as_o the_o saint_n die_v commend_v their_o spirit_n unto_o god_n so_o do_v christ_n commend_v his_o spirit_n luk._n 23._o 46._o use_v the_o prophet_n david_n word_n psal._n 31._o 4._o he_o keep_v also_o his_o sense_n but_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o faithful_a commend_v into_o god_n hand_n do_v present_o go_v to_o heaven_n as_o stephen_n say_v lord_n jesus_n receive_v my_o spirit_n act._n 7._o 59_o can_v this_o be_v call_v a_o commend_v of_o the_o spirit_n into_o the_o hand_n of_o god_n to_o go_v down_o to_o hell_n and_o to_o remain_v among_o the_o infernal_a spirit_n again_o if_o they_o that_o die_v in_o the_o lord_n do_v after_o death_n rest_n from_o their_o labour_n revel_v 13._o 14._o much_o more_o the_o lord_n himself_o rest_v from_o his_o labour_n after_o his_o death_n but_o if_o he_o have_v hell_n to_o conquer_v and_o the_o patriarch_n to_o deliver_v after_o his_o death_n a_o great_a part_n of_o his_o labour_n remain_v what_o then_o be_v become_v of_o that_o consummatum_fw-la est_fw-la all_o be_v finish_v upon_o the_o cross_n joh._n 19_o 30._o that_o be_v whatsoever_o appertain_v to_o christ_n suffering_n travail_n and_o labour_n be_v now_o accomplish_v his_o glory_n victory_n and_o triumph_n only_o remain_v augustine_n hereunto_o give_v some_o light_n thus_o apply_v these_o word_n of_o christ_n my_o soul_n be_v heavy_a unto_o death_n tristis_fw-la usque_fw-la ad_fw-la mortem_fw-la propter_fw-la affectum_fw-la susceptae_fw-la carnis_fw-la non_fw-la post_fw-la mortem_fw-la cum_fw-la beatitudinem_fw-la spondet_fw-la societas_fw-la deitatis_fw-la non_fw-la initium_fw-la maeroris_fw-la mors_fw-la ista_fw-la sed_fw-la finis_fw-la cont._n felician_n c._n 15._o heavy_a unto_o death_n because_o of_o the_o affection_n and_o infirmity_n of_o the_o flesh_n not_o after_o death_n when_o blessedness_n be_v promise_v by_o the_o society_n of_o the_o godhead_n this_o death_n be_v not_o the_o beginning_n of_o sorrow_n and_o travail_n but_o the_o end_n argum._n 6._o christ_n soul_n go_v immediate_o unto_o heaven_n after_o the_o departure_n from_o his_o body_n ergo_fw-la it_o do_v not_o descend_v to_o hell_n the_o first_o part_n be_v prove_v by_o the_o word_n of_o our_o saviour_n luk._n 23._o 43._o utter_v to_o the_o convict_v thief_n this_o day_n shall_v thou_o be_v with_o i_o in_o paradise_n which_o word_n paradise_n must_v be_v understand_v of_o the_o presence_n of_o christ_n in_o heaven_n not_o in_o respect_n of_o his_o godhead_n only_o but_o of_o his_o whole_a person_n as_o he_o be_v the_o mediator_n and_o that_o he_o direct_o speak_v of_o the_o presence_n of_o his_o soul_n in_o paradise_n it_o may_v evident_o appear_v by_o these_o reason_n 1._o christ_n answer_v the_o thief_n according_a to_o his_o request_n but_o he_o desire_v to_o be_v remember_v when_o he_o as_o the_o messiah_n shall_v enter_v into_o his_o kingdom_n lord_n remember_v i_o when_o thou_o come_v into_o thy_o kingdom_n but_o christ_n as_o god_n be_v never_o out_o of_o his_o kingdom_n 2._o the_o phrase_n of_o speech_n give_v this_o sense_n christ_n be_v say_v to_o be_v with_o we_o in_o respect_n of_o his_o godhead_n mat._n 28._o 20._o i_o be_o with_o you_o to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n but_o we_o be_v say_v to_o be_v with_o he_o as_o our_o messiah_n as_o s._n paul_n say_v i_o desire_v to_o be_v dissolve_v and_o to_o be_v with_o christ_n philip._n 1._o 23._o bernard_n note_v this_o distinction_n well_o christ_n u_fw-mi nobiscum_fw-la est_fw-la etc._n etc._n 91._o christ_n be_v with_o we_o at_o all_o time_n to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n but_o when_o shall_v we_o be_v with_o he_o when_o we_o shall_v be_v take_v up_o and_o meet_v christ_n in_o the_o air_n 3._o that_o kingdom_n whereof_o christ_n promise_v to_o make_v the_o thief_n partaker_n be_v not_o that_o kingdom_n which_o belong_v to_o he_o as_o god_n for_o that_o be_v not_o communicable_a to_o any_o creature_n but_o which_o be_v due_a to_o he_o as_o the_o messiah_n the_o thief_n reign_v the_o same_o day_n with_o christ_n in_o paradise_n as_o bernard_n say_v that_o which_o be_v promise_v be_v do_v the_o same_o day_n he_o suffer_v together_o with_o christ_n he_o 5._o also_o reign_v together_o with_o he_o therefore_o it_o be_v a_o erroneous_a speech_n of_o the_o answerer_n the_o performance_n of_o that_o promise_a presence_n with_o he_o in_o paradise_n be_v nothing_o else_o but_o the_o blissful_a fruition_n of_o his_o godhead_n pag._n 19_o contrary_a to_o the_o apostle_n who_o never_o man_n see_v neither_o can_v see_v 1._o tim._n 6._o 16._o the_o godhead_n be_v incomprehensible_a how_o then_o can_v there_o be_v a_o full_a fruition_n whereof_o there_o can_v be_v no_o comprehension_n 4._o i_o urge_v augustine_n reason_n who_o propound_v this_o objection_n deitatis_fw-la hanc_fw-la non_fw-la animae_fw-la christi_fw-la vocem_fw-la credimus_fw-la we_o think_v that_o christ_n speak_v thus_o to_o the_o thief_n of_o his_o godhead_n not_o of_o his_o soul_n make_v this_o answer_n anima_fw-la est_fw-la cui_fw-la hoc_fw-la promisit_fw-la etc._n etc._n but_o christ_n promise_v this_o to_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o thief_n then_o he_o thus_o infer_v if_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o thief_n straight_o after_o the_o death_n of_o body_n 15._o be_v call_v into_o paradise_n shall_v we_o think_v any_o to_o be_v so_o impious_a that_o dare_v say_v that_o the_o soul_n of_o our_o saviour_n be_v three_o day_n keep_v in_o hell_n by_o his_o bodily_a death_n he_o reason_v from_o the_o less_o to_o the_o
consummatum_fw-la est_fw-la it_o be_v finish_v joh._n 19_o 30._o to_o the_o proposition_n bellarmine_n answer_v 1._o that_o the_o sorrow_n of_o hell_n as_o the_o latin_a text_n read_v and_o the_o answerer_n approve_v pag._n 12_o be_v loose_v and_o dissolve_v non_fw-la quibus_fw-la teneretur_fw-la not_o wherewith_o he_o be_v hold_v sed_fw-la ne_fw-la teneretur_fw-la but_o lest_o he_o shall_v be_v hold_v of_o they_o contra._n 1._o these_o sorrow_n of_o death_n have_v fasten_v of_o christ_n though_o they_o can_v not_o still_o hold_v he_o because_o death_n they_o remain_v to_o the_o resurrection_n for_o this_o follow_v as_o a_o reason_n of_o christ_n raise_v up_o who_o god_n raise_v up_o lose_v the_o sorrow_n of_o death_n if_o the_o sorrow_n of_o the_o death_n and_o grave_n have_v not_o keep_v christ_n a_o while_n he_o shall_v present_o have_v be_v raise_v up_o 2._o again_o christ_n can_v not_o be_v hold_v or_o detain_v of_o death_n death_n than_o have_v fasten_v upon_o he_o but_o can_v not_o hold_v he_o one_o can_v be_v say_v to_o let_v go_v their_o hold_n or_o not_o to_o be_v able_a to_o hold_v unless_o first_o they_o lie_v on_o hold_n but_o hell_n sorrow_n do_v not_o so_o much_o as_o assay_v or_o assail_v christ_n after_o his_o death_n 2._o he_o say_v that_o christ_n loose_v the_o sorrow_n of_o hell_n not_o for_o himself_o but_o for_o other_o our_o answerer_n also_o have_v the_o like_a say_n s._n peter_n mention_v sorrow_n which_o be_v loose_v at_o christ_n resurrection_n which_o can_v not_o be_v in_o the_o sepulchre_n where_o his_o body_n lie_v dead_a and_o senseless_a ans._n pag._n 9_o contra._n 1._o the_o apostle_n speak_v direct_o of_o christ_n the_o sorrow_n be_v loose_v for_o he_o that_o be_v raise_v up_o but_o christ_n only_o be_v raise_v up_o the_o sorrow_n of_o death_n be_v loose_v only_o for_o he_o that_o can_v not_o be_v hold_v of_o they_o but_o christ_n only_o can_v not_o be_v hold_v of_o they_o ergo_fw-la the_o sorrow_n of_o death_n here_o speak_v of_o be_v only_o loose_v for_o the_o resurrection_n of_o christ._n 2._o as_o for_o our_o answerers_n position_n it_o do_v manifest_o limbist_n bewray_v he_o to_o be_v a_o limbist_n for_o if_o christ_n loose_v furrow_n and_o not_o for_o his_o body_n which_o be_v senseless_a than_o he_o must_v either_o grant_v that_o the_o sorrow_n of_o hell_n be_v upon_o christ_n himself_o of_o the_o which_o he_o be_v loose_v at_o his_o resurrection_n or_o that_o he_o loose_v they_o for_o other_o and_o so_o he_o be_v detect_v to_o be_v also_o a_o hell-harrow_a for_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o father_n deliver_v thence_o 3._o what_o then_o though_o christ_n body_n be_v without_o sense_n in_o the_o grave_n we_o say_v not_o it_o feel_v sorrow_n but_o be_v under_o the_o sorrow_n or_o bond_n of_o death_n for_o it_o be_v a_o time_n and_o state_n of_o sorrow_n while_o christ_n body_n lie_v in_o the_o grave_n till_o it_o be_v raise_v up_o again_o argum._n 3._o s._n peter_n say_v vers_fw-la 31._o he_o speak_v of_o the_o resurrection_n of_o christ_n that_o his_o soul_n shall_v not_o be_v leave_v in_o hell_n or_o the_o grave_n etc._n etc._n the_o prophet_n in_o these_o word_n speak_v of_o christ_n resurrection_n but_o the_o descend_v of_o christ_n soul_n to_o hell_n belong_v no_o way_n to_o his_o resurrection_n but_o the_o not_o leave_v of_o his_o life_n in_o the_o grave_n imply_v the_o resurrection_n ergo_fw-la the_o prophet_n mean_v no_o such_o be_v or_o go_v of_o christ_n soul_n to_o hell_n argum._n 4._o that_o which_o david_n prophesi_v of_o christ_n be_v whole_o and_o full_o perform_v in_o christ_n and_o not_o in_o david_n but_o the_o not_o be_v or_o leave_v of_o the_o soul_n in_o hell_n be_v as_o well_o perform_v in_o david_n as_o in_o christ_n for_o his_o soul_n be_v not_o at_o all_o in_o hell_n ergo_fw-la david_n propehsy_v not_o of_o the_o not_o leave_v of_o christ_n soul_n in_o hell_n first_o for_o the_o proposition_n the_o answerer_n tell_v we_o that_o the_o true_a antithesis_fw-la between_o christ_n and_o david_n be_v only_o in_o his_o incorruption_n resurrection_n and_o ascension_n and_o not_o in_o any_o thing_n else_o pag._n 17._o contra._n the_o whole_a prophecy_n of_o christ_n thou_o shall_v not_o leave_v my_o soul_n nor_o suffer_v thy_o holy_a one_o to_o see_v corruption_n be_v by_o the_o apostle_n apply_v to_o christ_n vers_fw-la 31_o and_o deny_v to_o david_n ver_fw-la 29._o for_o the_o whole_a be_v a_o peculiar_a prophecy_n of_o christ_n he_o speak_v of_o the_o resurrection_n of_o christ_n vers_fw-la 31_o in_o this_o whole_a sentence_n not_o partly_o of_o christ_n partly_o of_o they_o both_o this_o pprophecy_n than_o be_v historical_o only_o true_a of_o christ_n though_o typical_o and_o in_o some_o similitude_n also_o it_o agree_v to_o david_n who_o hope_v in_o christ_n to_o rise_v again_o and_o not_o for_o ever_o to_o dwell_v in_o corruption_n but_o literal_o the_o whole_a pprophecy_n be_v refer_v to_o christ_n as_o s._n peter_n expound_v the_o second_o place_n examine_v 1._o pet._n 3._o 18._o which_o be_v put_v to_o death_n in_o the_o flesh_n but_o quicken_v in_o the_o spirit_n in_o the_o which_o spirit_n he_o go_v and_o preach_v to_o the_o spirit_n in_o prison_n which_o be_v in_o time_n pass_v disobedient_a when_o once_o the_o long_o suffer_v of_o god_n abode_n in_o the_o day_n of_o noe._n the_o objection_n answer_v whereas_o the_o most_o approve_a interpretation_n of_o these_o word_n be_v this_o that_o christ_n have_v suffer_v in_o his_o humane_a nature_n yet_o be_v sustain_v and_o raise_v up_o by_o his_o divine_a spirit_n in_o and_o by_o the_o which_o he_o preach_v by_o y_z e_z ministry_n of_o noah_n to_o the_o disobedient_a of_o the_o old_a world_n which_o now_o be_v damn_v spirit_n in_o the_o prison_n of_o hell_n this_o exposition_n shall_v be_v afterward_o warrant_v by_o the_o scripture_n have_v also_o the_o testimony_n of_o some_o ancient_a writer_n but_o first_o a_o survey_n shall_v be_v take_v of_o the_o contrary_a objection_n object_n 1._o if_o the_o meaning_n be_v that_o christ_n die_v in_o the_o flesh_n be_v raise_v to_o live_v by_o his_o divine_a spirit_n it_o ascribe_v a_o foul_a error_n to_o the_o apostle_n as_o place_v christ_n resurrection_n befare_z his_o descension_n whereas_o peter_n speak_v not_o at_o all_o here_o of_o the_o resurrection_n etc._n etc._n ans._n p._n 22._o ans._n first_o here_o be_v no_o mention_n of_o christ_n descension_n at_o all_o thus_o he_o beg_v the_o thing_n in_o question_n and_o build_v upon_o that_o which_o be_v most_o doubt_a of_o second_o if_o the_o apostle_n have_v treat_v of_o christ_n descension_n before_o his_o resurrection_n be_v this_o such_o a_o foul_a error_n in_o the_o narration_n of_o thing_n not_o to_o observe_v the_o order_n of_o time_n do_v not_o s._n paul_n as_o much_o that_o first_o speak_v of_o christ_n ascension_n ephe._n 4._o v_o 8._o and_o afterward_o of_o his_o descension_n vers_fw-la 10_o three_o how_o can_v he_o say_v that_o in_o this_o place_n he_o speak_v not_o all_o of_o the_o resurrection_n of_o christ_n body_n when_o he_o make_v direct_a mention_n thereof_o vers_fw-la 21._o by_o the_o resurrection_n of_o jesus_n christ_n &_o c_o object_n 2._o here_o be_v no_o opposition_n between_o the_o humanity_n and_o divinity_n of_o christ_n because_o he_o speak_v of_o the_o death_n and_o passion_n of_o christ_n which_o touch_v his_o humanity_n only_o ans._n p._n 24._o ans._n first_o be_v not_o here_o now_o a_o good_a argument_n the_o apostle_n speak_v of_o that_o which_o concern_v christ_n humanity_n only_o ergo_fw-la he_o touch_v not_o his_o divinity_n to_o make_v it_o a_o good_a argument_n he_o shall_v have_v say_v he_o speak_v only_o of_o the_o death_n and_o passion_n etc._n etc._n second_o but_o then_o have_v he_o say_v untrue_o for_o the_o apostle_n make_v express_v mention_n of_o his_o quicken_n in_o the_o spirit_n which_o be_v no_o part_n of_o his_o death_n or_o passion_n object_n 3._o the_o two_o part_n of_o christ_n humanity_n be_v here_o direct_o set_v one_o against_o the_o other_o that_o be_v the_o soul_n against_o the_o body_n ans._n p._n 24._o ans._n 1._o thus_o he_o still_o commit_v the_o same_o fault_n which_o be_v call_v petitio_fw-la principij_fw-la the_o beg_n of_o the_o question_n for_o this_o be_v the_o point_n controvert_v whether_o by_o the_o flesh_n and_o spirit_n christ_n body_n and_o soul_n be_v understand_v 2._o though_o the_o syrian_a interpreter_n read_v body_n yet_o so_o do_v not_o the_o original_n which_o we_o be_v to_o follow_v 3._o and_o though_o by_o flesh_n christ_n body_n be_v understand_v yet_o it_o follow_v not_o that_o the_o spirit_n signify_v the_o soul_n for_o the_o like_a opposition_n be_v use_v by_o the_o apostle_n rom._n 1._o 3_o between_o the_o flesh_n
and_o the_o spirit_n where_o by_o the_o spirit_n the_o divine_a nature_n be_v manifest_o express_v object_n 4._o you_o must_v then_o read_v thus_o christ_n be_v mortify_v in_o his_o humanity_n and_o quicken_v in_o his_o divinity_n which_o be_v both_o absurd_a and_o impious_a p._n 24._o ans._n 1._o the_o answerer_n much_o contend_v pag._n 25_o to_o have_v the_o preposition_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d supply_v which_o though_o it_o be_v apostle_n not_o in_o the_o original_n nor_o vulgar_a latin_a yet_o we_o willing_o yield_v he_o but_o what_o have_v he_o gain_v by_o it_o 2._o be_v it_o impious_a to_o say_v he_o be_v quicken_v in_o his_o divine_a spirit_n and_o do_v you_o know_v what_o you_o say_v do_v not_o s._n paul_n use_v the_o same_o phrase_n he_o be_v justify_v in_o the_o spirit_n 1._o tim._n 3._o 16_o that_o be_v in_o and_o by_o the_o power_n of_o his_o divine_a spirit_n for_o there_o not_o his_o soul_n but_o his_o divine_a nature_n be_v signify_v and_o what_o difference_n between_o this_o phrase_n of_o s._n peter_n quicken_v in_o the_o spirit_n and_o that_o of_o s._n paul_n rom._n 1._o 3._o declare_v to_o be_v the_o son_n of_o god_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d according_a to_o the_o spirit_n of_o sanctification_n that_o be_v by_o the_o power_n thereof_o object_n 5._o if_o by_o flesh_n you_o understand_v the_o whole_a humane_a nature_n that_o be_v his_o body_n and_o soul_n than_o it_o will_v follow_v that_o he_o be_v do_v to_o death_n both_o in_o body_n and_o soul_n ans._n p._n 24._o ans._n first_o there_o be_v no_o more_o necessity_n here_o by_o flesh_n flesh_n to_o understand_v the_o whole_a humanity_n of_o christ_n his_o soul_n and_o body_n than_o in_o that_o place_n of_o s._n paul_n name_v before_o rom._n 1._o 3_o christ_n be_v make_v of_o the_o seed_n of_o david_n according_a to_o the_o flesh_n here_o the_o flesh_n that_o be_v christ_n humanity_n be_v set_v against_o the_o spirit_n his_o divinity_n and_o yet_o if_o the_o soul_n shall_v necessary_o be_v comprehend_v under_o the_o name_n of_o flesh_n it_o will_v follow_v that_o christ_n receive_v his_o soul_n from_o the_o seed_n of_o david_n and_o so_o anima_fw-la shall_v be_v ex_fw-la traduce_v be_v derive_v from_o the_o parent_n as_o the_o flesh_n be_v whereas_o the_o scripture_n say_v that_o god_n form_v the_o spirit_n of_o man_n within_o he_o zachar._n 12._o 1._o second_o yet_o if_o the_o soul_n be_v here_o conceive_v no_o great_a absurdity_n will_v follow_v for_o either_o by_o be_v mortify_v according_a to_o the_o flesh_n all_o other_o suffering_n be_v imply_v as_o s._n paul_n set_v down_o a_o brief_a sum_n of_o the_o gospel_n that_o christ_n die_v for_o our_o sin_n be_v bury_v &_o rise_v again_o etc._n etc._n 1._o cor._n 15._o 3._o by_o die_a understand_v all_o other_o of_o his_o suffering_n as_o s._n peter_n say_v he_o have_v suffer_v for_o our_o sin_n 1._o pet._n 2._o 18_o or_o else_o such_o a_o death_n of_o the_o soul_n may_v be_v understand_v as_o christ_n soul_n be_v subject_a unto_o neither_o by_o sin_n nor_o damnation_n but_o in_o respect_n of_o his_o inward_a affliction_n in_o which_o s._n paul_n say_v i_o die_v daily_o 1._o cor._n 15._o 31._o but_o i_o rather_o insist_v upon_o the_o first_o point_n object_n 6._o the_o word_n which_o the_o apostle_n here_o use_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o go_v and_o preach_v can_v proper_o be_v apply_v to_o the_o divinity_n but_o the_o humanity_n of_o christ_n as_o the_o apostle_n use_v it_o ver_fw-la 22_o go_v into_o heaven_n bellarm._n so_o likewise_o the_o answerer_n quote_v almost_o twenty_o place_n out_o of_o the_o gospel_n much_o glory_v as_o it_o seem_v to_o paint_v his_o margin_n with_o greek_a letter_n to_o show_v how_o this_o word_n be_v use_v of_o christ_n go_v and_o come_v as_o he_o be_v man_n p._n 31._o ans._n first_o as_o though_o it_o be_v not_o a_o usual_a thing_n in_o come_v scripture_n to_o apply_v unto_o god_n such_o word_n as_o signify_v motion_n for_o our_o better_a understanding_n so_o it_o be_v say_v that_o the_o spirit_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v carry_v upon_o the_o water_n gen._n 1._o 1._o god_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ascend_v up_o from_o abraham_n genes_n 17._o 22._o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d leap_v or_o come_v upon_o saul_n 1._o sam._n chap._n 10._o the_o word_n of_o god_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d run_v very_o swift_o psal._n 148._o 15._o second_o yea_o this_o very_a word_n here_o give_v in_o instance_n be_v otherwhere_o so_o use_v as_o matth._n 4._o 4._o man_n live_v not_o by_o bread_n only_o but_o by_o every_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o come_v or_o go_v forth_o of_o the_o mouth_n of_o god_n object_n 7._o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d spirit_n you_o shall_v never_o find_v where_o it_o be_v give_v to_o man_n live_v in_o the_o world_n bellar_n &_o ans._n p._n 34._o and_o these_o spirit_n be_v say_v to_o be_v in_o hell_n how_o then_o can_v they_o be_v live_a man_n in_o the_o 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they_o to_o feel_v the_o 13._o effect_n and_o power_n of_o his_o death_n and_o passion_n and_o so_o calvin_n himself_o write_v upon_o this_o place_n vim_fw-la spiritus_fw-la ad_fw-la mortuos_fw-la penetrasse_fw-la that_o the_o power_n and_o virtue_n of_o his_o spirit_n do_v pierce_v even_o unto_o the_o dead_a as_o for_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o new_a writer_n howsoever_o they_o expound_v this_o place_n we_o may_v oppose_v as_o learned_a and_o grave_a writer_n on_o the_o other_o side_n and_o beside_o the_o particular_a judgement_n of_o some_o we_o have_v the_o consent_n of_o whole_a church_n as_o of_o scotland_n geneva_n but_o we_o stand_v not_o upon_o man_n opinion_n for_o the_o sense_n of_o scripture_n which_o be_v the_o best_a expounder_n of_o itself_o therefore_o as_o bernard_n well_o say_v ad_fw-la euangelium_fw-la appellasti_fw-la ad_fw-la euangelium_fw-la ibis_fw-la you_o have_v appeal_v to_o the_o gospel_n and_o to_o the_o gospel_n shall_v you_o go_v reason_n confirm_v the_o 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〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o preach_v do_v proper_o import_v in_o scripture_n a_o action_n of_o the_o ministry_n of_o the_o word_n perform_v always_o by_o christ_n in_o his_o humane_a nature_n but_o when_o the_o operation_n of_o the_o godhead_n be_v intimate_v the_o common_a phrase_n of_o scripture_n be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o speak_v by_o the_o mouth_n of_o the_o holy_a prophet_n luk._n 1._o 70._o ans._n p._n 31._o answ._n 1._o and_o be_v there_o not_o now_o great_a difference_n between_o he_o preach_v and_o he_o speak_v by_o the_o prophet_n be_v the_o divinity_n of_o christ_n say_v to_o speak_v and_o not_o to_o preach_v as_o though_o preach_v be_v not_o a_o excellent_a kind_n of_o speak_v and_o so_o more_o proper_a to_o the_o divine_a spirit_n of_o christ._n 2._o but_o what_o ail_v this_o man_n to_o be_v so_o confident_a to_o say_v nature_n that_o the_o scripture_n always_o refer_v preach_v to_o christ_n humane_a nature_n it_o seem_v he_o never_o read_v the_o first_o of_o the_o 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the_o answerer_n approve_v this_o read_n pag._n 12._o but_o the_o father_n be_v not_o in_o the_o sorrow_n of_o hell_n but_o in_o abraham_n bosom_n a_o place_n of_o rest_n as_o augustine_n call_v it_o memorabilis_fw-la quietis_fw-la &_o faelicitatis_fw-la sinus_fw-la a_o famous_a place_n of_o rest_n and_o felicity_n and_o he_o further_o say_v how_o abraham_n 99_o into_o who_o bosom_n the_o poor_a man_n be_v receive_v can_v be_v understand_v to_o have_v be_v in_o these_o sorrow_n i_o can_v see_v the_o conclusion_n be_v this_o that_o the_o believe_a father_n be_v not_o deliver_v out_o of_o hell_n neither_o yet_o be_v unbeliever_n for_o si_fw-mi omnes_fw-la inde_fw-la hell_n soluit_fw-la exinanivit_fw-la inferna_fw-la for_o if_o he_o deliver_v all_o from_o thence_o then_o hell_n be_v empty_v august_n it_o follow_v then_o that_o if_o christ_n descend_v in_o soul_n to_o hell_n to_o loose_v the_o sorrow_n thereof_o and_o yet_o they_o be_v neither_o loose_v for_o believe_v father_n that_o be_v 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gentile_n etc._n etc._n that_o thou_o may_v bring_v out_o the_o prisoner_n from_o the_o prison_n and_o those_o that_o sit_v in_o darkness_n from_o the_o prison_n house_n esai_n 42_o vers_fw-la 7_o which_o word_n have_v some_o agreement_n with_o this_o of_o peter_n hierom_n upon_o this_o place_n and_o cyrill_n both_o lib._n 4._o or_o 2_o understand_v this_o prison_n of_o the_o bond_n of_o sin_n and_o error_n chrysostome_n say_v the_o bosom_n of_o abraham_n be_v the_o poor_a man_n paradise_n hom._n de_fw-fr divit_fw-la tertullian_n against_o martion_n say_v hell_n be_v one_o thing_n abraham_n bosom_n a_o hell_n other_o lib._n 4._o cont_n martion_n in_o their_o opinion_n then_o christ_n go_v not_o into_o hell_n but_o into_o paradise_n a_o place_n of_o rest_n athanas._n apud_fw-la epiphan_n haeres_fw-la 77._o say_v that_o the_o word_n himself_o go_v and_o preach_v to_o the_o spirit_n it_o be_v his_o divine_a nature_n not_o humane_a soul_n but_o beda_n as_o he_o be_v cite_v by_o reverend_a d._n fulke_n be_v among_o other_o a_o most_o pregnant_a witness_n for_o thus_o he_o expound_v this_o place_n he_o which_o in_o our_o time_n come_v in_o the_o flesh_n preach_v the_o way_n of_o life_n to_o the_o world_n even_o he_o himself_o also_o come_v before_o the_o flood_n and_o preach_v to_o they_o which_o be_v then_o unbeliever_n and_o live_v carnal_o for_o even_o by_o his_o holy_a spirit_n he_o be_v in_o noah_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o holy_a man_n which_o be_v at_o that_o time_n and_o by_o their_o good_a conversation_n preach_v to_o the_o wicked_a man_n of_o that_o age_n that_o they_o may_v be_v convert_v to_o better_a manner_n it_o be_v evident_a then_o that_o this_o exposition_n be_v not_o new_o devise_v but_o such_o as_o many_o hundred_o year_n ago_o be_v approve_v and_o receive_v by_o that_o reverend_a father_n beda_n and_o other_o last_o augustine_n as_o we_o have_v see_v before_o will_v by_o no_o mean_n have_v this_o place_n expound_v of_o christ_n go_v in_o soul_n 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