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A79520	An answer to a book which Samuel Eaton put up to the Parliament: which he saith he is a teacher of the Church of Christ, heretofore meeting at Ducken-field, now at Stockport in Cheshire; and he cals the title of his book Quakers confuted. Moses who was a judg quaked and trembled, David a king in Israel quaked and trembled, and Solomon who was a king trembled, and Daniel a servant of the most high God trembled, ... And these heard the voice of God, and thou that writest, thou mayest say thou hast confuted all them; for he that is against them, is against us, and he that is against us, is against them, for the same power is witnessed; but thou Eaton, who saith thou art a teacher of the church at Duckenfield, who saith thou hast heard the voice of the living God, and that such a voice as this, as comes immediately from God, you have not heard, ... And Isaiah saith, hear the word of the Lord all ye that tremble at his word; and this is the man that I do regard, saith the Lord, that is of a contrite heart, and trembleth at my word; but such Eaton and his church doth not regard, but custs out friends of the Lord from them, whom the world calls Quakers.	Camm, John, 1604?-1656.	1654 (1654)	Wing C389; Thomason E735_9; ESTC R206969	38,921	53

thy mouth and blush and be ashamed for thy lyes thou mayest be set up with the world which lyeth in wickedness but from God thou lyar art turned and must into the lake that burns And something in answer to the story or tale which thou tells to the Christian Reader and many reports respecting a people called Quakers concerning sorcery and witchcraft being among them Object And thou sayest Thou metst with a man a Teacher to a people about half a mile from Nottingam and thou asked him whether he did conceive that there was sorcery among them and he said Yea that there was sorcery among them Reply The chief Priests such as you did ever judge the Power of Christ to be of the Dev l for it did ever overturn your Kingdom O vain man here thou hast printed forth what he did conc●ive and in your mind of conceiving lodgeth the spirit of sorcery and that which carries sorcery hearing and telling of new things as the Athens did who shews thy self ignorant of the holy men of God who were in trances tremblings and quakings Object And as thou speakest of a young man which came twice or thrice to their meetings Reply Was he come to the trembling of Devils and dost thou and he blaspheme that power which made him to tremble and this story thou gives to the Reader that all may see thy folly which story th●u receivedst from the Min ster as thou calls them Object And thou sayest thou thoughtest to have nothing to do with that generation of men Rep. Didst thou not utter forth thy lyes and slanders in a paper And dost not thou utter forth thy lyes now and so for the Truths sake are we moved to write against thy lyes which thou hast printed in this paper Ob. And whereas thou tel'st the Parliament and Reader of another story of a man and his Wife and art troubled because he titled the Ministers under the name of the Priests of the world and Teachers of the world Are you not such which say you have not heard a voice speak from Heaven neither do you look for it that such a voice as this that comes immediately from God you have not heard nor such an inspiration as this you do not wait for Rep. And here thou hast cleared thy self for being any Minister of God and from having the Spirit of Inspiration and here thou art a Teacher of the world which teacheth deceit which denies perfection Ob. And thou art tormented because the said Richard Waller affirmed that he had his Teacher within him Rep. And doth not the Scriptures witness the same Ye need not that any man teach you but as the anoynting which is within And doth not the Prophet exhort them to cease from man and wouldest thou teach them to follow man And doth not the Apostle bid them to take heed of the light within them unt l the day dawn and the Day-star arise in their hearts Here dost not thou clear thy self from the Spirit of the Prophets and Christ and the Apostles and cannot indure the Doctrine of Christ the Prophets and the Apostles which is the sound Doctrine Samuel Eaton And the answer to the paper which thou accused the Quakers of thou shalt find to be true though thou canst not own it with thy sottish and sensual mind Ob. And thou say'st the Saints and the world may know what a people we are Rep. Here thou put'st the Saints and the world both together the world knows us not but who are Saints witness us Ob. And thou sayest What little hope there is of any good to be wrought of any of them what a people these are Rep. Thy teachings we deny and thy discoursing upon the Scriptures with corrupt mind we deny but the Scriptures we own they are ours and so such busie minds who are giving senses and meanings to the Scriptures we deny for they are of no private interpretation Ob. And thou sayest they pretend to speak and act all by the Spirit and if any one will try their Spirit that they speak by their reply is That th y can neither witness Scripture nor Spirit Rep. But what Scripture canst thou witness who denies the immediate Voice from God and immediate Inspiration And thou sayest they encrease in number continually and this torments thee and now thou comest to prophecy Ob. The time will come they shall proceed no further but this is the false Prophet The time is come that thou shalt proceed no further for thy folly is made manifest already which is to the glory of God renting thy Kingdom and setting up his own Kingdom so that the power and effectual working of God which turns the mind of so many unto himself from the world by his Spirit and to the uniting their hearts together from the worlds Forms Sects and Opinions And thou who denies the immediate Inspiration and immediate Voice from God which thou hast put up to the Magistrate but God will dash all the earthly Bonds asunder with his immediate power and eternal Spirit who denies the immediate voice who lives in Errour and Heresie as thou hast made it manifest And this is in answer to the stories thou gav'st to the Parliament and to the Christian Reader Samuel Eaton now something in Replication to thy answers of the Queries Que. FRiend the first Query which was put to thee was Whether thou hadst the eternal Spirit which gave forth the Scriptures yea or no Object And in thy answer thou believes that the Spirit of Christ dwells in Saints yet thou asserts the Spirit of Christ to be distinct from the Saints and the Saints from the Spirit Rep. Here thou hast cleered thy self from the eternal Spirit that gave forth the Scriptures The Query was put to thee Whether thou hadst the eternal Spirit who saith The Spirit of Christ is distinct from the Saints Let all people see if thy Spirit be not distinct from the Saints and a lying Spirit to say the Spirit of Christ is distinct from the Saints when the Spirit that gave forth the Scriputre saith which was in the Saints they were led by the Spirit and they had received the Spirit and Christ said the Spirit of the Father spoke in them and the Apostle said If you have not the same Spirit as raised up Christ you are none of his Obj. And thou sayest The Spirit of Christ is distinct from the Saints Rep. And the Ministers of God said they were in the Spirit and here openly thou shew'st thy self to be rambling up and down with thy own Spirit and not guided by the Spirit of Jesus but by the Spirit of Errour and confusion and this is the Record God hath given us his Spirit but this was not spoken in thy Generation and ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit and thou say'st they are distinct from it Obj. And thou sayest the Spirit of Christ dwells in them which Spirit is God but thou dost not

answer is Davids Conditions and Experien●e● are many times your own Reply And before thou denyes as hearing Gods voyce and how ca●st thou know Davids conditions who heard the voyce of God in the holy Temple and thou denyes hearing of Gods voyce but abundance of words thou hast heaped up together and wouldest make the Saints singing like thine who sung with the spirit and with understanding Obj. And again thou sayest God would have you in your meetings to rejoyce Reply Thou lyar How knowest thou the mind of God and never heardst his voyce who hist openly shewed thy self to be a Heathen who knows not God who knows nothing of the rejoycing and singing in spirit and what hast thou to do to talk of the Church of God which is the pillar and ground of truth who denyes the voyce of God and immediate inspiration which is both in the Church of God Obj. And as concerning putting on hats when you read and putting them off when you sing Then sayest you shall not much contest Reply Then you must confess it to be a tradition and that you worship the works of your own hands and yet thou goest about to justifie it who art mudled in thy confused generation who would have the hat put off when thou prayest with a part of the scripture and when thou readest part of the scripture to put thy hat on See if this be not thy own tradition Obj. And as for singing Davids Psalms in meeter thou sayest the Hebrews had their Poetry and it is sutable for every Nation to have their own Poet and particular Poetry to themselves to praise God and Meeter is congruous as thou sayest to our English Poetry Reply And this is all thy conjured stuff and likenesses who give● every Nation liberty who art in the Nations and stands up for thy own who hast cleared thy self from the spirit which the Saints sung withall in understanding who comes to be redeemed from Nations which yet thou art in and languages in the customes of the Nations which who sing prayses to God are redeemed from and so thou maintains thy own customs and traditions but the Church of God slander not for they deny your Customs and your Ordinances which God never commanded and there is no difference between your postures and the worlds nor your singing and the worlds but there is a difference between your singing and the Saints which knew God and heard his voyce and sung with the spirit but thou hast denyed the immediate inspiration of the spirit and so thou caust not sing with that spirit the Saints sung withall Quer. 13. Whether you do know the voyce of Christ from the voyce of a stranger My sheep know my voyce saith Christ seeing you are so forward to judge and sit as Judges of the Saints conditions Ans And thy answer is That which Christ preached and the Prophets and Apostles which is left upon record which you have in the Scriptures that is that voyce of Christ and with it you are able to distinguish from the voyce of a stranger Reply Here you shew your selves that you have the form but not the power for many come to speak the Prophets words and use their tongues and say he saith when saith the Lord I never spoke to them and this is your condition who hath the letter as the Jews had which knew not the voyce of Christ nor with the letter can you know his voyce and there you are Obj. And thou sayest this immediate voyce you have not heard neither do you know it within your selves experimentally neither do you wait for it for you know it is not the voyce of Christ Reply Here you have cleared your selves from the voyce of Christ and to be strangers which never heard the voyce of Christ which is immediate for you deny hearing this immediate voyce within and so denyes Christ to be within and shew your selves to be reprobates And you shew your selves to be in the state of the Jews which knew not the voyce of Christ which was immediate but judged it to be of the Devil as you do Obj. And this immediate voyce you bless your selves from and say It is the voyce of the Devil and say you have never heard the Devils voyce nor seen his shape and yet you plead for sin as long as you are here Reply And is not sin the shape of the Devil and you that plead for sin that is the voyce of the Devil in you and not the voyce of Christ for the voyce of Christ testifies against all sin and here you shew that you never heard the voyce of Christ which is immediate but only hath the letter as the devil hath to bring and the form and calls that the Voice of Christ and here you shew your selves to be natural men not knowing any thing of the immediate Voice of Christ but judgeth it of the devil Query 14. Whether that within you which judgeth be eternal and infallible yea or no Ans And thy answer is That that Spirit which we profess to be the Spirit of Christ is that Spirit of delusion which doth all things in us Rep. O thou deceiver who knows not the letter doth not the Scriptures say they were led by the Spirit and the fruits of the Spirit and the Comforter which was to come should lead them into all truth and they denied themselves with the Spirit for doing any thing and here thou hast cleared thy self from the Spirit of Christ and art in thy own Spirit of Errour Object Thou sayest though the Spirit of Christ which i● eternal and infallible dwell in the Saints yet it must not judg of persons and things after an infallible manner that they should neither say nor do nor judg any thing by any understanding of their own but this Spirit this we do deny for the Apostle speaks of himself When he would do good evil is present Rep. Here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be pleading for the Devil and self and denies the Spirit of Christ and shews thy self to be in the state of the Wolves which Christ speaks of which should come in sheeps cloathing who hath shewed forth thy fruit to be of the corrupt tree who hath cleared thy self from the spiritual man which judgeth all things Object And thou speakest of Antichrists denying the Father and the Son and false Teachers bringing in damnable heresies denying the Lord that bought them Rep. These words shall stand for thy self which thou accusest others withal for thou hast denied as hearing any immediate Voice from God from heaven or any immediate inspiration of the Spirit and here thou hast denied both the Father and the Son for his voice is immediate and he that hath the Son hath the Father also and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life He that hath an ear to hear let him hear and in thy answer to this Query thou shewest thy self to be

carnal who hath nothing but the letter to judg withal and hast denied the eternal spirit which judgeth all things Query 15. What are the Ordinances which are ordained of God that those which you call Quakers deny or when did God command you to observe them as to sprinkle infants to pray before and after Sermons as you call them or to set times and daies and hours which was in the Generation wh●●h was enemies to Christ who observed such things Query 16. Where these Ordinances of God be which you speak of and where God commanded them and to whom which you say them you call Quakers deny mention them in particular and declare them openly in writing and give our accusing Ans In thy answer to these two Queries thou sayest we are against ●ll outward teaching Reply We are against a publike prayer which is in the state of the Phar●●e●s which Christ forbids but the praying with the Spirit we own and we are against sprinkling Infants for there is no Scripture for it but the Baptism of the Spirit we own and we are against all your singing Davids quakings tremblings prayers praises and prophesi●s in M●eter but the singing with the Spirit we own and all your performing Religion in your set hours daies and times we are against for that which is pure performs Religion and this is the pure Religion which keeps unspotted from the world therefore we do declare against your Traditions not to be Ordinances of Christ but the Ordinances of Christ we own Object And something in answ●r to your own practise concerning sprinkling of Infants is this First for the act of sprinkling thou sayest something may be held forth though you use it not Reply And here thou art confused you would go to hold up something for your own practise and yet thou sayest you do not use it Object And thou bringest the bloud of Christ which is called the bloud of sprinkling and thou sayest seeing water in Baptism be sprinkled and the subject types of Christs bloud Reply Here thou hast made this tipe Christ made it not neither is there any such types made in the Scripture neither any such seal as sprinkling infants Object And thou sayest as for sprinkling Infants something may be held forth for it the bloud of Christ called the bloud of sprinkling Rep. Here thou would'st set the sprinkling of Infants above the Bloud of Christ and make the bloud of Christ of none effect and make the bloud of Christ a figure of sprinkling Infants but the bloud of Christ we own and deny thee and thy holdings forth who would make the substance a figure or a type sprinkling Infants and many Scriptures you bring but not a word to justifie sprinkling Infants and fain you would bring some Scriptures to cover thee but there is not one will witness thee in the Scriptures for sprinkling Infants Object And whereas thou bring'st Gen. 17. ver 7. as concerning God establishing his promise to his seed Rep. Thou lyar here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to pervert the Scriptures doth that Scripture speak of sprinkling Infants there is not such a word in it who makes people blind like thy self and would'st make them but God hath raised up a light in the hearts of his people that doth discover thee Object And thou bring'st Exod. 12.48 which there is not a word in it to justifie sprinkling Infants and thou bring'st Deut. 19.10.11 Jer. 31.34 Rep. I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar for in all these Scriptures there is not a word that speaks of sprinkling Infants but thou lyar and Sorcerer goes about to bewitch people with thy Inchantments but thy Whoredoms are di●covered and Acts 22.16 thou pervertest there is not a word in it of sprinkling Infants and Acts 2.38 which thou would'st pervert And here again I charge thee to be a lyar for those Scriptures do not speak of sprinkling Infants and to the state of Simon Magns thou art not yet come to witness that Baptism as he did but art in thy Sorcery and so as thou made a type thou art now making Seals and Covenants and thy sprinkling Infants is a Seal of thy Covenants which there is not a word in Scripture for Again Gen. 17.7 thou perverts the Scriptures to maintain sprinkling Infants which there is not a word in Scripture to justifie it and Rom. 4.11 thou bring'st to justifie sprinkling Infants which there is not one word for it and Heb. 10.16 thou bring'st to justifie sprinkling Infants which there is not one word for it and Jer. 33.33 thou bring'st to justifie it where there is not so many verses in it not 33. Col. 2.11 thou bring'st also to justifie sprinkling Infants which speaks not one word for it and Exod. 12.48 over again once would have served thee to prove thy self a lyar and Deut. 9.10.11 thou bring'st over again to prove thy self a lyar withal for there is not one word to justifie it and thou bring'st Mat. 7.4 for the application of Water and here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar and a wrester and a perverter of the Scriptures for not one word in all these Scriptures doth speak of sprinkling infants who would have a cl●ak but canst get none and calls these the Ordinances of Christ which are none for the Ordinances of Christ we own and Baptism we own but thy Traditions we deny Object And in thy answer concerning praying afore and after Sermon Rep. Thou bring'st the Saints conditions the Apostles praying and the Saints to justifie thy own who a●t in the state of the Pharisees and so puts no difference between the holy and prophane betwixt the precious and the vile and so shews thy self to be a false Prophet among the false Prophets for as thou confesses thou never heard the Voice of God and denies immediate inspiration And what hast thou to do to pray or talk of the Church of Christ the Apostles conditions who hast shewed thy self to be an hypocrite for God hears not hypocrites and we do believe and know that you never heard his Voice and here thou sh●west thy prayers are abomination to him therfore I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to let the Saints conditions and prayers alone for God heareth the righteous but accepts not the prayers of the wicked who art not come so far as Balaam for he heard the Voice of God therefore because the Saints prayed which you would bring their conditions for thy praying afore and after Sermon and there is no Scripture will cloke you Object And whereas thou sayest women are not suffered to teach Rep. And did not Christ send a woman to teach and did he not say his Daughters shall Prophecy thou art the woman that art forb●dden to teach who confesses you never heard Gods Voice nor immediate inspiration therefore silence flesh before the Lord but the Apostles and Saints praying we own