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B20672 Truths testimony and a testimony of truths appearing in power, life, light & glory, creating, manifesting, increasing, and vindicating itself in the midst of persecution : wherein is discovered what truth is, and also a lye, who knows it and lives in it : with the authors call and conversion to the truth, his practice in it, his publishing of it, and his several tryals for the same ... : together with the particular accusations brought against him in each tryal and his answers to the same, and also the courts proceedings both by judges and juries : with an humble appeal to His Highness, Oliver, Lord Protector, as a general redress for all people / by Richard Coppin. Coppin, Richard, fl. 1646-1659. 1655 (1655) Wing C6105 74,193 93

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a hearer of you I shall if I may in love be admitted in the afternoon be a speaker if not in this place then in some other place where the Lord shall direct us for to that end and purpose was I invited to Town this day He answered that he himself was a stranger and could not grant it but said that he thought I had had something to say against his Doctrine to which I answered I had and so shewing him his error I declared against it that the people might not be deceived by it For that which he said was this as the whole Congregation can witness that God feeding his people Israel as a Lamb in a large place was his leaving of them to themselves a letting them loose to all manner of sin and wickedness to run head long into hell which appearing to me so gross an error I could not let it pass but answered that God feeding his people Israel as a Lamb in a large place was an enlargement of the manifestation of his love and favour to them in Christ Jesus in their return to him from their backsliding condition it was a bringing of them into that City and Sion of the living God Isa 33.21 where the glorious Lord himself will be unto us a place of broad Rivers and streams and then shall we run the way of his Commandments and not our own when he hath enlarged our hearts and people fed by God as Lambs cannot be said to be left of God or forsaken but are fed with Christ who is their daily bread from heaven and God cannot be said to feed his people Psal 119.32 Isa 24 14. when he is said to leave them but according to your own principle you will say that those that are let loose unto all manner of sin and wickednesses to run headlong into h●ll are not fed by God but the Devil And now answer being thus made in as civil a manner as could be and there being ●resent one John Crofty and Richard Aylworth Justices of the Peace for that County who hearing this my speech made to their Minister were much moved and enraged in their spirits against me as appeared by their rude and uncivil carriage at that time towards me who also said I should have spoke to their Minister in private and not in publike to which I answered that no time and place was so fit as then and there the people being present for truth seeks no corners whereupon the said Justices to carry on their design of a further proceeding against me did immediately charge the Constables with me commanding them to bring me into the Ministers house where they and Elmes the said Minister was and so commanding the doors to be shut they desired I would answer some questions which they should propound I told them that what they had to propound in love and for edification to any I should a●sw●r them which was as follows First Question Whether I did believe there was a God and a Devil-a heaven and a hell I answered that there was both God and Devil Heaven and Hell 1 Cor. 8.5 6. salvation and damnation and I further said that there were also Gods many and Lords many in the world known as to men and worshipt by men Acts 17.23 though but one true God and him most men did ignorantly worship Another question they asked me whether God would save all men or no I answered that what the Scripture said I would say and the Scripture said of God that he will have all men to be saved 1 Tim. 2.4 5 6. and to come unto the knowledge of the truth for there is one God and one Mediator between God and men the man Christ Jesus who gave himself a ransom for all to be testified in due time but we see that all men are not yet saved for all men have not yet this testimony or do not yet believe for he that believes not is condemned already Iohn 3.18 1 Ioh 5 10. Rev. 1 5. and he that doth believe hath the witness in himself and this witness is Christ A third question was Whether I did believe there were three persons in the Trinity The Trinity I acknowledged and demanded of them what they meant by person whether a material body of flesh and bones or not To which they did not answer but asked me again if there were not three distinct beings I answered 1 Ioh 5.7 8. that according to Scripture there were three that bear witness in heaven and three that bear witness on earth and each three did agree in one so that there was but one being of all things and that being was eternal then they asked me what the three that bear witness in heaven were and whether they were not three persons I answered that according to Scripture they were known by the name of Father Son and Spirit and were three in respect of manifestation to the creature and yet but one in union and being with the Creator and Father of all things they again asked me how far these three were distinct one from another I answered that so far as the Father is from the Son Ioh 14 10 11. and the Son from the Father so far are they distinct one from another And thus they provoking and urging me with many questions sought to ensare me as it is written the Scribes and Pharisees did by Christ Luk. 11.53 54. laying wait for him and seeking to catch something out of his mouth that they might accuse him but I answered as the Lord did enable me and according to Scripture And now I having thus answered to their questions and they therein receiving nothing against me told me that I had formerly spoken things that were blasphemy and they would question me for that I told them again that nothing of blasphemy could ever yet be proved against me though endeavoured by my enemies and what I had been formerly charged with as blasphemy I have already answered and now should at any time be ready in love to answer them or any other that should ask me a reason of the hope that is in me and the practise of Christians as they professed themselves to be I told them was not to lay violent hands on any charging Officers with them for speaking of the things of God in a way contrary to their judgement or apprehensions and so to make a man an offender for a word Isa ●9 21 and how we never found in Scripture thar A Christian living in the Faith of the Lord Jesus did ever persecute accuse charge judge or condemn any in point of worship towards God but were themselves alwayes accused judged and condemned by others that believed not and men may differ in opinion or judgement of things and yet be good Christians but though we may thus differ yet let us be reconciled together in love and not Judge one another for love is a fulfilling of the whole Law
one to another is but an Image of what it is in and from God to man so Christ himself in a humane appearance as he was man though he had in him the fulness of the Godhead yet was he but an Image of the invisible God Col. 1.15 or the Eternal Being of the Godhead in its Divine state And all Images are to pass away and be removed day by day 1 Cor. 7 31. For the fashion of this world passeth away and whatsoever passes away must in that state of mortality be a lye in opposition to that which is immortal and true because it abides not always the same but is changeable And as a thing made cannot know that which made it so a lye cannot know the truth nor speak the truth but as it is in the truth no longer known to be a lye but the truth it self 1 Cor. 2.11 As nothing therefore but God who is a Spirit knows God so nothing but the truth knows the truth nor can speak the truth and if any thing of truth be spoken between man and man Mat. 10.20 it is the truth it self that speaks it self through its own image for what one man speaks to another in words is but an Image of the same Being spoken to man by the truth in silence for the word in the sound is but an Image of what is before spoken in the mind all the writings of men in the letter is but an Image of the writings of God in the heart and Spirit So the Scripture called the Word of God which are but the writings of men in an outward testimony John 1.1 2. is but an Image of the true Word Christ that spoke before in them that writ it and witnessed to the word by that which is written 1 Iohn 2 3 4 for what the Word of God to wit Christ speaks in men that man speaks and writes again to men Rom. 1.20 For what we have seen and heard we declare unto you saith Paul and all things in the world visible is but an Image of God Psal 51.6 or the things invisible and so all things as made is but an Image of it self as unmade Adam was first formed then Eve 1 Tim. 2 13 14. and the woman taken out of man is but the Image and glory of the man and lives not but in the man therefore while she abides in the Image and is not the same with the thing imaged she abides in a lye and is in the transgression So in like manner all mankind with the whole creation as coming out of God is but an Image of God as the Son is of the Father and as the woman is of the man and lives not but in God the Father that sends them forth from himself as an Image of himself and as it abides in the Image 1 Iohn 2.27 28. and not in him that made it so it abides in the lye and in the transgression and if any would know the truth in the love of the truth to speak it and live in it they must wait to be taken up in the understanding into that which is the truth as Christ was and therein cease in themselves to stand any longer in the Image but in the substance as Christ did when he did ascend from the Son to the Father and so must become the same with the truth in the truth it self before they can know what the truth is in the understanding of it 2 Cor. 5 1● Isa 42.16 I n 2. Ephes 1.10 so in the chang of all things in man the woman becomes the man or weakness becomes strength darkness becomes light death becomes life and a lye the truth when the truth hath had its perfect work in making all things free in turning water into wine and bringing all things together in one for the truth is not without a lye 1 Cor. 11.11 12. the man is not without the woman nor the woman without the man in the Lord So not God without us nor we without him in the truth which truth comprehends Father Son and Spirit will wisdom and power variety in unity and unity in variety the Creator and the creature and so God himself who is the truth in Jesus who is one and all is himself the way in which all men should walk the truth which all men should practice Col. 2.6 and the life which all men should live with Christ in God manifest in flesh as he is God in union with man and man in union with God loving all men as himself doing for all men as for himself which should be the whole life of all men one to another Matth. 5 44 45. living in the truth as it is in Jesus even to walk in him as their path live in him as their life and so to follow his steps in the Lord Jesus Ephes 5.1 2. Acts 17.26 1 Ioh. 10.11 hating none speaking evil of none persecuting none but to be friendly loving kind and merciful to all as flesh of their flesh and bone of their bone being all of one blood and so to forgive one another as God in Christ hath forgiven them And he who goes any other way practises any other thing 2 Cor. 5.18 19. Iohn 14.8 1 Iohn 1.6 7 8. lives any other life then that which is God living in them and all men reconciling the whole world to himself by Jesus Christ the way the truth and the life is so far a lyar and the truth is not in him O how few are there that live this life of God in Christ to be reconciled to all men though enemies love all men though enemies be at peace with all men though enemies and to do for all men as they would do for themselves and as they would others should do unto them why very few yet live in the truth to practise it though most men profess it Therefore all men who live not in the truth are lyars and live in the filthy abomination of the lye as in sin death hell and damnation wrath envy hatred malice persecution revenge and all the works of iniquity and must be taken up into the truth and so cast into the lake of fire burning with brimstone there to be purged from all their uncleanness and filthy abomination Rev. 21 8. that hath defaced the Image of God as to men before they can be lovers of God or the truth and cease from persecuting one another All things while it abides in the Image being there in a prison and in darkness is an enemy to the thing imaged because it represents it not perfectly or as it is in Jesus the thing made is an enemy to that which makes it the creature to the Creator Isa 5.9.4 5 6 c. man to God for all men as men and sinners so remaining are haters of God and do oppose the truth in the manifestation But the more truth is opposed
truth or as it is in Jesus And this was all the knowledge and experience that I had while under that dispensation of grace or the Son of God manifesting yet the same that they had where I then saw the work but a doing not done salvation but a coming and not come and so saw not any thing then made perfect Then after two years were expired of my beholding this their order in London seeing all the ways and opinions of men with all their feigned righteousness for to be but destruction and confusion I prophesied of their downfall which would shortly after come to pass and which I have since in part seen to be fulfilled for I saw that they were not built upon the true foundation Christ as the rock which would stand 1 Cor. 3.11 and was laid by God but upon the foundation and buildings of men Matth. 7.26 27. laid by men on the sands as that which would shake and fall and would not endure the fire even God when he appeared but would with all their Elements melt before him as dross 2 Pet. 3.10 and with all their fair heavens be burnt up before him as stubble and vanish away before him as smoak and as chaff before the wind Wherefore I seeing them to be thus fitted for destruction and prepared for the slaughter I passed them all by that I might not in my profession be destroyed with them and would not go in or be tyed in covenant to any of them being none of them according to the institution of Christ and they being thus weighed in the ballance of the Righteousness of Christ by Christ and there found too light they vanished away and so ceased as to me And after this legal dispensation of the knowledge of Christ in the flesh and the performing duties after the flesh by me was ended with me John 16.25 and Christ appearing in power and glory to me shewing me plainly of the Father I then saw according to that appearance of God to me in the Father what and where God Christ and the Devil was and is also heaven and hell salvation and damnation what and where that was and is I having had the experience of it all within me and so I saw as to my self a death of the one part as of the Devil hell and damnation with all things at the left hand of God and a living of the other part as of God Christ Heaven and Salvation with all things at the right hand of God which was my dying to the one part as to that on the left hand and my living to the other part as to that on the right hand and which was to me the day of the Lord and a restauration of all things to God where and at which time I saw one dispensation perfected in another or grace perfected in glory the Son perfected in the Father or all things made perfect in God the Kingdom of the Son delivered up to the Father 1 Cor. 15.21 and where I saw all my own works which ever I had done under any dispensation before that of Christ in the Spirit to be burnt up and made void to me with all my prayers which I made books which I had read sermons which I had heard besides and below Christ all now appeared to be of no worth unto me Phil. 2.9 3 9. as to do me any good for I had found one Jesus that was ascended far above all heavens that he might fill all things and that had a name above every name that was named of things in heaven and of things on earth in whom I was now found without having my own righteousness which is of the Law but that which is through the faith of Christ who was now become my worth my life my light and my all who had filled me with himself and whom I saw to be all to me and to do all for me and to have given an end to all things besides himself in me which made me now throw away all my books of Presbyterians Independants Anabaptists Acts 19.18 19. and whatsoever else as the believing Jews and Grecians had done before and to forget all things therein and not to know any thing any where or in any thing either without or within me but Jesus Christ and him crucified and so to know my self in him to have made my progress to him in the Fathers Kingdom the end of my journey where I shall no more be travelling but be at rest with the Son in the bosom of the Father Which is the race that all men are to run the way that all men are to go and the work that all men are to do even to deny themselves Luke 9.23 24. and all things of themselves and to follow Christ till they come to Christ if ever they mean to be perfect with Christ for If thou wilt be perfect Mat. 19.21 go and sell all that thou hast CHAP. III. The Authors Call and Commission to preach what and from whence it was the Parish Priests Call and Commission to preach what and from whence that was WHen God in Christ did manifest himself to me for my conversion the redemption of my body and the salvation of my soul to the perfecting of the body of Christ in and to me as that I knew it and was assured of it in my self what and when it vvas I then savv it all to be in him the same to all men as to me though not manifest unto them and according to vvhat I had received of the Lord. I vvas commanded by the Lord in me to publish and declare to all sorts of men vvithout respect of persons or opinions vvith this Commission follovving First that vvhatsoever I did speak or vvrite it vvas to be my ovvn experience in the Lord of God manifest in flesh justified in the spirit seen of Angels preached unto the Gentiles 1 Tim. 3.16 believed on in the World received up into glory Christ the same yesterday to day and for ever And that I was not to speak or write any thing that should tend to the continuing John 6.27 advancing or setting up of any thing that should perish or come to an end and be in opposition to the Lord ●esus as the setting up of any thing besides him was but that it should always tend to the advancement of his Kingdom as of love joy peace and righteousness among men through Christ and to the throwing down of Antichrist and his Kingdom with all deceiveableness and unrighteousness of men and what I did I was to do it freely and in love and not be chargeable or burthensome to any Rom. 14.17 to hinder any from coming into the Kingdom of the Lord which was a free Kingdom nor to give any liberty to Antichrists Kingdom which was a Kingdom of gain hire and self interest and which consists of buying and selling the word of God and for which work
did again and again say that Christ suffered not for them as acted by him but as imputed to him and so they became his which he proved from these Scriptures He was made 〈◊〉 for us and The Lord hath laid upon him the iniquity of us all And Secondly That he should say There is no heaven and hell but what is in man He did not but did prove from Scripture that there was a heaven and a hell in man not denying any other which by others might be believed as to them And Thirdly That he should say That everlasting life should end in this life He did not but said That there was that written in Scripture which was said to be everlasting yet had an end as he proved from the ending of the first Covenant and Priest-hood under the Law with the conditions thereof which was said to be for ever And Fourthly as to his life and conversation it hath been so civil honest and respective towards all men for all that ever we saw or knew of him that none ever yet could accuse him and therefore we do believe that for the good that is in him and proceeds from him to the edifying of many people he is hated and persecuted To all which particulars we have here subscribed our names and shall be ready to take our Oaths A Copy of a Certificate presented to the Court by many of the godly and well-affected people of Oxford in the behalf of Richard Coppin WE the Inhabitants of the City of Oxford whose names are here underwritten do hereby certifie That Richard Coppin hath several times preached in Oxford and hath been heard by us who never heard any thing delivered by him to our knowledge but what hath been true and sound doctrine according to the Scripture and the manifestation of God to us And we do also certifie that his life and conversation hath ever been towards all sorts of men honest just and upright that ever we could see know or hear of him Concerning which we have here subscribed our names and shall be also ready to testifie upon Oath The first particular Charged in the Indictment FIrst That I should say That Christ Jesus the Son of God and Saviour of the world did suffer for his own sins as well as the Peoples Answ My Lord for answer to this I do affirm and ever did since I knew and declared any thing of God That Jesus Christ the Son of the living God and Saviour of the whole world as he lives in God never acted sin but imputatively all our sins became his were laid upon him John 3.17 1 John 2.2 Heb. 10.5 6.7 Rom. 8.3 Heb. 2.14 Luke 1.74 and reckoned to him by the Father and Jesus Christ as the Son in obedience to the Father freely took them upon himself clothed himself with our flesh sinful flesh and so suffered for sin overcame and condemned sin and all enemies in our nature wherein his appearance in us doth manifest to us that he satisfied the Fathers justice payed our score and set us at liberty though Christ himself which is Mat. 1.23 1 Pet. 2.22 2 Cor 5.21 Isa 53. Rom. 5.10 Iohn 14.19 Emmanuel God with us did no sin neither was guil found in his mouth as saith the Scripture yet he was made sin for us and The Lord hath laid upon him the iniquity of us all and by his stripes are we healed by his life are we saved and do live for saith Christ Because I live ye shall live also And now the head cannot be said to live without the body nor the body without the head 1 Cor 11.3 Ephes 5.23 29 30. Heb. 5.3 7.27 1 Cor. 12.12 13 27. so not Christ without us nor we without Christ he being our head and we members of his body of his flesh and of his bones and Christ suffering for the sin of us ●his members may also be said to suffer for the sin of his own body whose body we are for saith Paul Ye are the body of Christ and members in particular and in this sense he may be said to suffer for his own sins which is no blasphemy to say Secondly That there is no heaven and hell but what is in man Answ My Lord for answer to this I do affirm and ever did as aforesaid First That there is a God according to the Scriptures and that this God is the God of truth peace and love and the Father of it who is called a Spirit and whose throne is in heaven Isa 66.1 1 Tim 6.16 1 King 8.27 Jer. 23 23 24. Isa 6.3 and that dwelleth in light and which the heaven of heavens cannot contain and who is not limitted to any time place or person but heaven and earth is full of his glory And so much for God what and where he is Secondly That there is a Devil according to the Scripture and this Devil is the god of sin as of this world which darkens all appearances of good things 2 Cor. 4.4 Rev. 20.1 2 3. whose habitation is in hell and who is limitted to time place and person and cannot go beyond his bounds and is the Prince of darkness and of death the power of the ayr Ephes 2.20 John 8.44 Rev. 21.8 and 12.10 John 5.45 Iude ver 9. the spirit ruling in the children of disobedience which makes them so long to continue the children of the Devil who is a lyar and the father of them and all lyes and lyars are of and in him who shall together with him suffer in hell fire and who is also the accuser of the brethren from whom all accusations proceed with all hatred envy and malice and hath no part in Christ and that this Devil Iam. 3.14 15 Iohn 14.36 1 Pet. 5.8 Gen. 3.15 Psal 110.5 6 as a roaring lyon goes about from City to City from County to County or from Worcester to Oxford seeking whom he may devour till the Lyon of the Tribe of Judah meets with him breaks his head destroys his power frustrates his design and so ruines his Kingdom And Thirdly That there is also a heaven for the righteous in Christ to be saved and made happy in life and salvation with Christ in God and there is a hell also for the wicked in which they are and shall be tormented with the Devil and false Prophets but for the place what and where it is so far as the Scripture is silent in it we are to be silent in it and cannot determine of it any further then the Scripture doth But this we may say with the Scripture first concerning heaven that the Kingdom of God is righteousness peace and joy in the holy Ghost and Behold the Kingdom of God is within you yet on high with God Rom 14.1 Luke 17.20 21. above the earth or any creature And as concerning hell it is in Scripture compared to a grave and we read that Christ descended into it and David saith to
the Lord would be with me Acts 18.9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 to support me to the end as he was with Paul at Corinth and by experience I have hitherto found him to be with me And thus was my Commission in from the School of Christ given by Christ at Sion house in heaven to do the work of Christ as a free workman loving all men though enemies and hating none and not from Oxford and Cambridge or the Schools of Antichrist by the laying on of the hands of the Bishops or Presbytery to do the work of Antichrist as an hireling loving those that would pay me or stand for me and hating those that would not as most of those have done that had their Call and Commission from thence Neither was I to confer with flesh and blood as to go to Oxford or Cambridge this Committee or that Committee to receive Orders from men or to know whether I should preach or no and so to be settled in some place by them receive some yearly maintenance from them as the Priests of England do and have done with all that serve in Antichrists Kingdom and receive his wages but without all this or any part of it I was immediately to go and publish him to the world and to sinners yea all men without respect of persons notwithstanding all the opposition that I might meet withal from all sorts of Religion and among all sorts of men living under any Dispensation or Administration whatsoever below this which I my self lived in and was to declare And the first day that I began to prosecute this my Commission as it was in me in the life and power of it which I received not of man nor by man but of and by the Lord and God the Father who raised him from the dead out of the grave and in me then was I persecuted hated and rejected of men that knew it not but were enemies to it yet did no more to me then what had been done to others that were before me and will be done to those that come after me which I also looked upon to be part of my portion which was to follow and I to go through and which I was yet to be possest withal while I was in this work of preaching but knowing this that still filling up the rest of the sufferings of Christ which supported me when I had finished my course I should receive my crown Having suffered with Christ I should also reign with him and so enduring to the end I should be saved Mar. 13.13 1 Cor. 9.17 18. 2 Cor. 10.16 17. and this was my portion also with the Lord and the reward I received of the Lord and is a living on the Gospel with me as it is written He that preaches the Gospel shall live on the Gospel and not on other mens labours nor walk by other mens lights but the light of Christ in the Gospel dispensation And now so far hitherto as I have fell short in any thing of this my Commission to the knowledge of any let me be blamed But to proceed I shall go on as brief as I can to shew you the manner of my proceedings and how I have been carried forth to this day as shall be readily witnessed by the people of those parts in which I have been and thus proceeded in the practice thereof as followeth CHAP. IV. The Authors first prosecution of his Commission and his being opposed for the same how by whom and after what manner who are the Ministers of Christ and of Antichrist with their different proceedings both in judgement doctrine practice manner time place freedom and reward FIrst Paul in his time speaking of himself and his own call said then That above fourteen years ago he knew a man in Christ 2 Cor. 12. whether in the body or out of the body he could not tell but such an one caught up into the third heaven or paradise and heard unspeakable words which were not lawful for man to utter And why unlawful In respect of the Lavv of God it could not be unlavvful for God reveals nothing that is contrary to himself or his ovvn lavv neither doth he make a lavv contrary to vvhat he reveals but it might be contrary to the lavvs of men vvhich they had made and do still make and so unlavvful and in this sense Paul might say it vvas unlavvful for man to utter though not unlavvful for God to utter and for these reasons first in respect of the company amongst whom Paul vvas then living vvhen those vvords vvere made knovvn to him they being not able to bear them And secondly it may be that the lavvs of the times vvere such that if it should have been spoken it vvould have been counted blasphemy and himself have been persecuted for it as it seems he vvas for many things that he then spoke And so in all ages since vvhatever of God hath by God been revealed to men contrary to the lavv of the times hath been by that lavv unlavvful to utter and so by men counted blasphemy and the authors thereof accused as blasphemers Was it not so vvith Christ and vvith Paul and the rest of the Apostles And hath it not been so since and is it not so novv I am sure my self with many others can by experience witness it and set our seals to it since we knew it and were assured of it And now from the time that these things were first made known to me and I commanded to declare it to the world it was with much opposition and with so little outward freedom that I was forced to appear in the clouds and speak something darkly and under parables I abiding at that time in Barkshire among a people whose spirits were not able to bear the sound of the truth they being ignorant of it and so enemies to it and which the laws of the times were then against and most mens judgements and opinions contrary to it and men more ready to persecute it then otherways as they have ever been And I having not my freedom to speak fell a writing which things were printed and brought forth to publique view in a Book entituled Divine Teachings which many Ministers and Pastors of Churches living thereabouts did streightway oppose being that which was contrary to their judgements doctrine and practise whose names are as follows Lancaster Powel Harrison Pendarvice Wells Hughes and Burgess who were then in Barkshire with Osburn Woolly Glin and many others in Oxfordshire who cryed down all for heresie and blasphemy therein contained without naming any particulars saying it was a dangerous principle which it all tended unto that if it were suffered it would overthrow all Mens Religion whereupon several disputes were occasioned between me and the said Ministers they all still endeavouring to confute me or bring me to a recantation of these things revealed in me and declared by me which they counted erroneous and blasphemous
the Virgin Mary and crucified at Jerusalem though he be not yet so fully manifested to and in all men Rom. 8.29 as he was to and in him he being the first born among many brethren or the first appearance of humane nature in whom God did so fully and manifestly appear to be living moving acting and bringing forth himself in the manifestation of his love in power life light and glory yet that God is in all and all are in him as also saith the Scripture for in him we all live move Acts 17.28 Ephes 4.6 and have our being and there is one God and Father of all who is above all through all and in all both in Jews Gentiles Heathens Pagans Turks Infidels or whatsoever else they may be called and there is no difference or respect of persons with God but in the manifestation of this to themselves which none can have till the Holy Ghost even the Spirit of truth comes upon them as it did on him and reveal it to them as it did to him which he hath promised that in due time shal come and bring all things to their remembrance there is no man but hath God in him yea the same God that Christ had though not the same measure of knowledge and understanding till Christ in them hath revealed it And that the Gentiles might come to know this Paul prays for them that they might be strengthned with all might in the inner man that is with all God to comprehend with all Saints what is the bredth Eph. 3.16 17 18 19. and length and depth and heighth and to know the love of Christ which passeth knowledge that they might be filled with all the fulness of God even as Christ was to have in them the same mind the same love life and light and so be filled with the same fulness of grace and glory whereby they come unto a perfect man unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ to know that as he was so are we in this world and therefore it is no blasphemy to say that God may be as much in them as in Christ considered as a man though it do not yet appear so to them Eph. 4.13 1 Ioh 4.17 as in due time it may and will when God shall be more revealed to them and they more enjoy him in the manifestation Fifthly That the day of judgement was began sixteen hundred years ago Answ My Lord according to Scripture acceptation it was so Iohn 12.13 for said Christ Now is the Iudgement of this world now shall the Prince of this world be cast out Iohn 9 39. and for Iudgement am I come into this world said Christ that they which see not might see and that they which see might be made blind and this coming of Christ to Judgement according to the Scripture was above sixteen hundred years past and yet is continued to this day though most men are blind and yet see it not which some shall so long as they have eyes of their own to see and ears of their own to hear till they see with the Lords eye and hear with the Lords ear and the Apostle also said that the time was then come 1 Pet. 4.17 that Iudgement must begin at the House of God even with righteous men or men under any form of Religion that had any thing of their own righteousness to trust in besides Christ their righteousness That this day of Judgement did then begin we find for so soon as he was but ascended and had led captivity captive he sent the holy Ghost the Comforter Ioh. 16.7.8 even the spirit of truth which should convince the world of sin of righteousness and of judgement and so bring all things to mans remembrance destroying all that is a lye in man by the spirit of Judgement and of burning when he shall appear to sit in man his Temple as a refiner and purifyer of gold and silver Mal 3.3 to purge out all dross sin and corruption and to make man a vessel holding nothing but righteousness peace and joy which work of Judgement was then begun with some coming on to others and is not ended to this day with all neither will so long as sin is in the world raigning in any creature and till we see sin and transgression finished in us as no more to be imputed to us 1 Cor. 15.24 c. we see not an end of the day of Judgement with us till we see Christ to have opened the prison doors broken all bonds put all enemies under his feet set us at liberty and delivered up the Kingdom to the Father that God may be all in all and so much for the day of Judgement that it was began sixteen hundred years ago according to the Scriptures Sixthly That there was no general day of Iudgement Answ My Lord I know no other day of Jodgement as to me then what I have already declared to your Lordship which is to be the same with every creature before it can be finished and this may be said to be A general day wherein all men are to appear before Christ to be Judged by him in love for the time is come c. And though this time of Judgement may be called a day yet this day may be thousands of years before all the world in every man may be Judged all sin and transgression finished as to them and they all set free in the Lord 2 Pet. 3.8 For one day with the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day and did men once taste and feel of the workings of God in and upon their souls in manifesting his love to them for the taking away of sin and transgression from them they would then be satisfied touching this day of the Lord which for my part I am already satisfied in and therefore cannot but declare it and bear witness to it as that which is truth to me and according to the Scriptures and they that know any other let them declare that as I have declared this Seventhly That there was no heaven but in man Answ My Lord Those words do not say there is none at all but that it is in man yet without confinement and this the Scripture also declares therefore if we would know where heaven is let us first know what it is and the Scripture tells us that the Kingdom of heaven is Righteousness Rom 14.17 peace and joy in the holy Ghost and that it is within us for when the Scribes and Pharises came to Christ to demand of him when the Kingdom of God should come as men still do he answered them that The Kingdom of God cometh not with observations neither shall they say lo here or lo there for behold the Kingdom of God is within you and where should the Kingdom of Christ which is a Kingdom of righteousness peace and joy appear to be