namely_o unction_n and_o to_o prove_v that_o neither_o unction_n or_o imposition_n of_o hand_n be_v sacrament_n which_o though_o he_o prove_v by_o this_o argument_n that_o they_o be_v only_a appendix_n of_o sacrament_n yet_o he_o do_v not_o assert_v as_o from_o himself_o or_o from_o antiquity_n that_o imposition_n of_o hand_n be_v to_o be_v conjoin_v with_o baptism_n but_o rather_o tell_v we_o the_o contrary_a partly_o from_o himself_o partly_o from_o those_o author_n he_o quote_v as_o that_o the_o rule_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v that_o they_o give_v in_o command_n that_o man_n shall_v be_v reconcile_v by_o imposition_n of_o hand_n sect._n 53._o that_o reciliation_n be_v proper_a to_o repentance_n sect._n 54._o that_o though_o confirmation_n belong_v to_o the_o solemnity_n of_o baptism_n yet_o after_o a_o while_n after_o baptism_n to_o mr_n t._n his_o quotation_n of_o hieronimus_n tom._n 2._o in_o his_o diolog_n adu._n lucif_n 1._o we_o reply_v that_o if_o hieronimus_fw-la do_v 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t._n well_o know_v subordinate_a thing_n be_v not_o contrary_a christ_n regenerate_v therefore_o do_v he_o not_o do_v it_o by_o his_o ordinance_n word_n baptism_n &_o c_o we_o have_v hear_v afore_o that_o though_o christ_n be_v the_o author_n of_o our_o salvation_n yet_o it_o be_v say_v we_o be_v bear_v again_o by_o water_n and_o the_o spirit_n and_o that_o for_o the_o conjunction_n of_o the_o sign_n and_o thing_n signify_v the_o thing_n signify_v be_v call_v by_o the_o name_n of_o the_o sign_n we_o add_v ephes_n 5.26.1_o pet._n 1.23_o where_o it_o be_v say_v that_o we_o be_v sanctify_v by_o the_o wash_n of_o water_n by_o the_o word_n and_o we_o be_v bear_v again_o by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o yet_o we_o know_v christ_n by_o his_o spirit_n be_v the_o author_n of_o these_o 3_o other_o of_o the_o approve_a ancient_n as_o commentator_n on_o irenaeus_n call_v baptism_n by_o the_o name_n of_o regeneration_n nazianzen_n call_v baptism_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o laver_n of_o regeneration_n or_o of_o the_o new-birth_n nazianz._n orat._n 402._o in_o sanct._n bapt._n augustine_n say_v as_o by_o the_o first_o man_n man_n be_v bear_v in_o sin_n and_o death_n so_o by_o christ_n renascuntur_fw-la they_o be_v bear_v again_o in_o or_o into_o righteousness_n and_o eternal_a life_n in_o or_o through_o baptism_n aug._n lib._n de_fw-fr bapt._n &_o hab_o &_o cons_n ambrose_n say_v god_n the_o omnipotent_a father_n who_o have_v regenerate_v thou_o of_o water_n and_o the_o holy_a spirit_n ambros_n de_fw-fr sacram._n hieronimus_fw-la the_o bloody_a body_n of_o infant_n be_v wash_v as_o soon_o as_o they_o be_v bear_v so_o the_o spiritual_a generation_n stand_v in_o need_n of_o the_o save_a laver_n hieron_n lib._n 4._o ezek._n ca._n 16._o more_o may_v be_v allege_v but_o these_o enough_o to_o clear_v the_o business_n in_o hand_n that_o irenaeus_n mean_v by_o be_v bornagain_a or_o regenerate_v baptism_n but_o mr._n t._n object_n 7._o mr._n t._n examen_fw-la sect._n 4._o p._n 7._o that_o irenaeus_n say_v christ_n be_v fifty_o year_n old_a aâ—_n he_o have_v receive_v it_o from_o those_o that_o converse_v with_o john_n the_o apostle_n and_o thereby_o mr._n tomb_n will_v blemish_v irenaeus_n his_o testimony_n we_o answer_v animad_fw-la animad_fw-la first_o man_n have_v their_o mistake_n else_o they_o be_v not_o man_n but_o as_o angel_n second_o mr._n t._n refer_v we_o to_o far_o worse_a author_n full_a of_o superstition_n in_o scham_n before_o and_o his_o ludovicus_n vives_z and_o his_o walafridus_n we_o and_o vossius_fw-la too_o have_v note_v before_o for_o their_o gross_a expression_n and_o mistake_n three_o which_o be_v main_o to_o the_o point_n irenaeus_n say_v infant_n may_v be_v bear_v again_o that_o be_v baptize_v as_o from_o himself_o though_o he_o report_v the_o whole_a age_n of_o christ_n from_o other_o who_o if_o they_o write_v his_o age_n by_o cipher_n in_o aftertime_n fifty_o may_v easy_o be_v mistake_v for_o thirty_o the_o three_o and_o last_o author_n we_o will_v urge_v from_o this_o first_o age_n tertullian_n tertullian_n or_o first_o hundred_o year_n or_o century_n next_o follow_v the_o apostle_n time_n be_v tertullian_n who_o helvicus_n put_v in_o the_o latter_a end_n of_o the_o age_n afore_o say_v namely_o in_o the_o year_n after_o christ_n 195._o which_o be_v as_o about_o the_o 95_o year_n after_o the_o death_n of_o john_n the_o evangelist_n but_o the_o same_o helvicus_n say_v this_o of_o he_o put_v in_o that_o year_n out_o of_o eusebius_n and_o hieron_n that_o he_o put_v forth_o his_o book_n of_o prescription_n and_o that_o he_o be_v the_o three_o latin_a writer_n and_o bucholcerus_n mention_n he_o as_o famous_a about_o the_o year_n after_o christ_n 208_o that_o be_v 108._o after_o st._n john_n that_o be_v but_o about_o thirteen_o year_n after_o the_o time_n set_v down_o by_o helvicus_n for_o he_o say_v that_o about_o that_o time_n catalogo_fw-la hieron_n in_o catalogo_fw-la cyprian_n as_o hieron_n testify_v do_v ascribe_v so_o much_o to_o tertullia_n writing_n that_o when_o he_o call_v for_o one_o of_o his_o author_n or_o writer_n he_o will_v say_v dam_fw-la magistrum_fw-la that_o be_v give_v i_o my_o master_n when_o he_o mean_v tertullian_n therefore_o he_o write_v divers_a year_n afore_o the_o word_n of_o tertullian_n to_o the_o point_n in_o hand_n of_o infant-baptisme_n lib._n de_fw-fr anim._n cap._n 39_o &_o 40._o be_v these_o hinc_fw-la enim_fw-la &_o apâ—st_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o be_v for_o hence_o also_o the_o apostle_n affirm_v that_o of_o either_o sex_n sanctify_v be_v procreate_v those_o that_o be_v holy_a as_o by_o the_o prerogative_n of_o seed_n so_o by_o the_o discipline_n or_o rule_n of_o institution_n but_o they_o be_v bear_v unclean_a as_o if_o by_o this_o nevertheless_o he_o will_v have_v it_o understand_v that_o the_o child_n of_o believer_n be_v designatos_fw-la the_o design_v once_o of_o holiness_n and_o thereby_o also_o of_o salvation_n that_o these_o pledge_n of_o hope_n may_v patronage_n those_o marriage_n which_o he_o have_v judge_v to_o be_v keep_v undissolved_a otherwise_o he_o have_v mind_v the_o lord_n determination_n unless_o one_o be_v bear_v of_o water_n and_o of_o the_o spirit_n he_o shall_v not_o enter_v into_o the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n that_o be_v he_o shall_v not_o be_v holy_a so_o every_o soul_n be_v count_v to_o be_v in_o adam_n till_o he_o be_v recount_v to_o be_v in_o christ_n and_o so_o long_o to_o be_v impure_a till_o he_o be_v recount_v thus_o tertullian_n whence_o note_n first_o by_o the_o way_n how_o the_o opinion_n of_o antiquity_n touch_v that_o place_n 1_o cor._n 7.14_o be_v contrary_a to_o mr._n tomb_n his_o opinion_n second_o direct_o to_o the_o point_n in_o hand_n of_o the_o baptism_n of_o the_o child_n of_o believer_n he_o hold_v forth_o these_o notion_n first_o the_o birthright_n of_o believer_n infant_n the_o parent_n and_o child_n be_v both_o under_o that_o promise_n i_o be_o the_o god_n of_o thou_o and_o thy_o seed_n they_o be_v say_v tertullian_n by_o the_o sanctification_n of_o one_o of_o the_o parent_n procreate_v holy_a partly_o by_o the_o prerogative_n of_o the_o seed_n i_o be_o the_o god_n of_o thou_o believe_a abraham_n and_o of_o thy_o seed_n gen._n 17.7_o partly_o by_o the_o discipline_n of_o institution_n therefore_o thou_o shall_v keep_v my_o covenant_n to_o give_v the_o first_o seal_n to_o every_o male_a of_o thy_o seed_n gen._n 17.9_o or_o act._n 2._o the_o promise_n be_v to_o you_o and_o you_o be_v call_v to_o your_o child_n also_o so_o that_o tertullian_n mean_v that_o the_o child_n of_o believer_n be_v reputative_o and_o federal_o holy_a which_o be_v the_o more_o plain_a by_o that_o which_o follow_v of_o count_v in_o adam_n and_o recount_v in_o christ_n second_o the_o capacity_n of_o child_n of_o grace_n and_o salvation_n and_o consequent_o of_o the_o seal_n for_o the_o deed_n and_o their_o seal_n follow_v the_o right_n of_o the_o inheritance_n so_o all_o along_o the_o scripture_n as_o we_o have_v show_v in_o part_n i_o say_v tertullian_n show_v child_n capacity_n of_o grace_n 1._o in_o mention_v their_o be_v holy_a for_o it_o be_v in_o vain_a to_o talk_v of_o account_v holy_a if_o none_o may_v be_v holy_a yea_o therefore_o god_n will_v have_v believer_n child_n indefinite_o account_v holy_a because_o he_o have_v make_v some_o holy_a in_o their_o childhood_n isaac_n jacob_n samuel_n john_n baptist_n those_o mar._n 10._o etc._n etc._n 2._o in_o mention_v that_o place_n john_n 3.5_o in_o relation_n to_o child_n except_o a_o man_n be_v bear_v again_o of_o water_n and_o the_o spirit_n etc._n etc._n from_o all_o which_o we_o may_v perceive_v that_o tertullian_n ground_n infant-baptisme_n upon_o scripture_n not_o upon_o unwritten_a tradition_n nor_o be_v it_o my_o opinion_n only_o that_o this_o place_n of_o tertullian_n be_v for_o infant-baptisme_n but_o of_o learned_a vossius_fw-la too_o who_o mr._n t._n so_o oft_o quote_v with_o respect_n for_o vossius_fw-la by_o this_o place_n prove_v that_o it_o be_v the_o mind_n of_o tertullian_n in_o that_o note_a place_n of_o chap._n 18._o argument_n h._n d._n master_n t._n in_o his_o 10_o argument_n of_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr baptismo_fw-la that_o infant_n shall_v be_v baptise_a which_o some_o allege_v against_o infant-baptism_n but_o be_v indeed_o for_o it_o tertullia_n word_n be_v these_o itaeque_fw-la pro_fw-la cujusque_fw-la personae_fw-la etc._n etc._n therefore_o according_a to_o every_o person_n condition_n disposition_n and_o age_n the_o delay_n of_o baptism_n be_v more_o profitable_a but_o especial_o concern_v little_a child_n for_o what_o necessity_n be_v there_o they_o there_o those_o word_n between_o junius_n say_v may_v be_v leave_v out_o mr_n t._n in_o his_o 10_o argument_n leave_v they_o out_o but_o in_o the_o best_a edition_n of_o tertullian_n they_o be_v in_o vossius_fw-la take_v they_o in_o
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to_o god_n imprint_n upon_o it_o the_o true_a title_n of_o a_o son_n and_o daughter_n by_o adoption_n and_o the_o image_n of_o god_n by_o sanctification_n without_o faith_n as_o with_o it_o now_o if_o the_o grace_n itself_o of_o baptism_n be_v thus_o give_v it_o why_o not_o baptism_n nay_o i_o add_v further_o i_o see_v no_o cause_n to_o deny_v that_o even_o in_o and_o at_o and_o by_o the_o act_n of_o baptism_n as_o the_o necessity_n of_o the_o weak_a infant_n may_v admit_v the_o spirit_n may_v imprint_v these_o upon_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o infant_n thus_o master_n rogers_n where_o by_o his_o quotation_n of_o scripture_n and_o discussâ—_n of_o argument_n you_o may_v see_v what_o he_o mean_v by_o apostolical_a tradition_n chap._n xv._o confirm_v exercitat_fw-la argu._n 6._o §._o 19_o the_o argument_n against_o infant-baptisme_n from_o humane_a invention_n occasion_v by_o it_o confirm_v the_o six_o argument_n follow_v that_o which_o have_v occasion_v many_o humane_a invention_n partly_o 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right_a but_o the_o practice_n of_o infant-baptisme_n have_v occasion_v either_o the_o birth_n or_o foster_a of_o many_o error_n ergo._n it_o be_v prove_v by_o instance_n 1._o that_o baptism_n confer_v grace_n by_o the_o work_n do_v 2._o that_o baptism_n be_v regeneration_n 3._o that_o infant_n die_v be_v save_v by_o the_o faith_n of_o their_o parent_n faith_n of_o surety_n of_o the_o church_n receive_v into_o her_o lap_n which_o be_v to_o be_v ascribe_v alone_o to_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n by_o christ_n 4._o that_o some_o regenerate_a person_n may_v utter_o fall_v from_o grace_n the_o eight_o argument_n that_o which_o have_v cause_v many_o abuse_n and_o fault_n in_o discipline_n arg._n 8_o confirm_v §._o 22._o the_o argument_n against_o infant-baptisme_n from_o many_o abuse_v cause_v by_o it_o confirm_v and_o divine_a worship_n and_o conversation_n of_o man_n that_o be_v deserve_o doubtful_a but_o infant-baptisme_n be_v such_o ergo._n it_o be_v prove_v by_o enumeration_n 1._o 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