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A18003	A discourse, concerning two diuine positions The first [ef]fectually concluding, that the soules of the faithfull fathers, deceased before Christ, went immediately to heauen. The second sufficientlye setting foorth vnto vs Christians, what we are to conceiue, touching the descension of our Sauiour Christ into hell: publiquely disputed at a commencement in Cambridge, anno Domini 1552. Purposely written at the first by way of a confutation, against a booke of Richard Smith of Oxford, D. of Diuinity, entitled a Refutation, imprinted 1562, & published against Iohn Caluin, & C. Carlile: the title wherof appeareth in ye 17. page. And now first published by the said Christopher Carlile, 1582.	Carlile, Christopher, d. 1588?	1582 (1582)	STC 4654; ESTC S107537	141,619	356

L●… of Noac before the Deluge w●… figure of the preachiuge of Ch●… and of his Disciples vnto the of the worlde callinge sinne●… Repentaunce least y ● they sh●… perishe in the finall iudgment And here is an Argument 〈◊〉 lesser a Minore ad Mains I●… called them to Repentaunce much ●…ore will he call others He prea●…ed to them that were in pryson 〈◊〉 meane to them that were tyed ●…ith the custome of synning which ●…as in the tyme of Noac when as ●…ll fleshe had corrupted his waye Gen. 6. hee came in Spirite and ●…reached by Noac whome hee had ●…nspyred to make the Arke and ●…reach Repentaunce and although ●…hat y ● Humanity of CHRIST was not as yet notwithstanding ●…is Substaunce his Deity and Godhead was euer Iesus Christe yesterday to daye and he foreuer Thus muche Lyra and more to y ● ●…me purpose What pryson was this that they were in Were they inclosed in stone walles Were they in some ●…ongeon Lyra callethe this prison the custome of synninge for they saythe hee were tyed as it were withe the gyues or manicles or theynes of iniquity Notw tstandīg a Prison is taken in all Tongue by a Metaphor for the Body whe●… in were inclosed these disobedie●… Spirites obstinate to bee refo●…med desperate to be reduced a●… so malitious and stubborne th●… Noac coulde neyther by his lenity reclayme them neither by seuerit correct them nether did they estem●… what hee preached but 〈◊〉 him and called him an old ●…oting foole sayng what had he to do with them what cared they for his pre●…chinge So is Babilon meaning Rome called a Pryson of impu●… Spirites This Pryson maye bee taken 〈◊〉 Synne as the Shadowe of Death is for darke and wilfull ignorance So Esaye in the twenty foure chapter and seauenth verse prophecieth that CHRIST shoulde delyu●… Prisoners out of Prison where is also the same woorde in Hebrue Chele and in the Greeke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and in Peter also ye may call these ●…ngracious gyants such as were in ●…e prisō of sinne or in the pryson 〈◊〉 their Bodyes And Dauid dothe 〈◊〉 vse it in these words as the great ●…ible translateth Bringe my soule ●…ute of Prison Augustine among other expositi●…ns saythe that Dauid desyred god 〈◊〉 take his soule out of his Bodye ●…otwithstanding Augustine being ●…noraunt in the Hebrue Tongue ●…auerethe lyke an Academicall ●…claring y e text vncertainly by con ●…ctures For Dauid flyinge from Saule ●…d lyinge in the Caue Odolla de●…reth God to deliuer him saufe out 〈◊〉 that Caue wherin he was inclo●…ed as in a Prison ●…nd there is Nephes whiche they ●…anslate the Soule taken for the Bodye and the Caue for the Pry●…on Bede therefore readeth this Texte in this sorte That he preached to the spirits that were in their fleshe as thoughe it were written 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and not 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of this diuersity Hugo Cardinal Thomas Aquine and Gagne withe Dionisius Carthusianus make mention who expound this place as I do●… thoughe they were Schoolemen and in the Barbarous tyme. So dothe Augustine in his 99. Ep. to Euodius Accolampadius alleadgethe ●… place of Fsay as though that Christ wente to Hell to deliuer vs from Hell Did not he all that vpō thē Crosse was not his passion sufficient was his deathe an vnperfect deathe 〈◊〉 not he reconcile vs to his father 〈◊〉 asswaged his Wrathe ouerca●… Sathan and Hell BEZA who fiue yeares after that I had expounded this place in a booke entituled that CHRIST neuer came in Hell written in L●…ten vpon the first of Peter 3. Chap. and 19. verse takethe this Pryson for hell As Sathan is said to be put in prison whiche sense doth not impugne mine assertion notw estandig it is not so probable For Peter speaketh of them that liued Beza of them that were dead Peter of them of NOACS dayes to whome hée preached Beza of them that were in hell to whome NOAC did not preache Peter and Moses meane of them to whō of his infinite mercy hée gaue 120. Yeares to repente BEZA of them that were in hell is there any repentance in hell any confession of a mans faulte but here were gyuen an 120. yeares to repent If BEZA his opinyon please any man better then mine lett him folowe it who Conspirethe withe me agaynste them that alleadge this place for Christes preachinge in hell You saye that Christ fetched out onely the obedyent and faithfull these were disobedyent vnfaithfull ergo by your owne iudgement he went not thether for their cause if not for their cause then may you be ashamed to aliedge this place for that purpose How coulde he preach or fetch out Abraham Isaac and Iacob with the rest when as they were long after the floud and these before the floud They were Godly men the other desperate they were not in hell the othere were there without redemtion Peter saith that it was the spirite of Christ y e preached to the obstinate and that in the time of Noac before hée toke mans nature vpon him The papistes say that it was soule of CHRIST Howe coulde his Soule preachē before it was Before hée was man before hée was created and ioyned to the body That whiche was not in the tyme of NOAC coulde not preache in the time of NOAC The Soule of CHRIST was not in the tyme of NOAC wherefore it coulde not preache in the tyme of Noac you say that it was the Soule of Christe that preached in hell Peter doth not meane of the Soule of CHRIST but of his Spirite of his diuine nature which is GOD equall with the Father and the Sonne Is not their ignorance intollerable that doo not sée that Peter speakethe not one worde of y e soule of Christ but of his God head Is it credible that Christ did onely preache in hell to them that were desperate in the dayes of NOAC and not to others aswell were there none desperate but they of NOACS dayes was not Cain before them desperate and Esau after the floud Peter saith that this Spirite of CHRIST preached to th●… disobedient of Noacs tyme The papistes say that hee preached to all in generall Peter to the disobedient and Desperate they to the obediente and faithfull Peter to the Oyantes they to the Patriarches Peter to them of NOACS dayes they to all the iust before Christ. Peter when the Arke was in Preparinge they when Christes bodye laye in the graue Peter where there were Eyght persones saued and the rest drowned they where there were an innumerable companye and that in Hell Peter where there was amendement looked for they where there was none amendement for in Hell is no redemption Peter in earth they in Hell Purgatorye and Lymbus Where the Arke was made ther●… preached this Spirite of Christ. The Arke was

loynes of Dauid was raysed by God but y ● was the body for the soule is not begottē i●… generation with y ● body but is ge●… uen by God to whōe it returne the ergo Peter speaketh here of y ● body of Christ and not of his soule this sense Peter proueth cōfirmeth by Dauid in y ● ver folowing paul lik●… wise saith y ● they put him in a gre●… or monumēt whō God raised frō 〈◊〉 dead you thrust him into hell God raised him out of his graue you out of hell God from them that were dead and buryed you from the lyuing for you saye that they th●… wers in purgatorye and Limbus do liue Paul speaketh of his body you 〈◊〉 his soule paul vnderstandeth the place of y ● second psal of Christes resurrection and begetting frō the dead you of his eternall gener●…tion you call that graue hell into the which paul denieth that he shall returne If descende ●…ee to come from 〈◊〉 higher place to a lower Why doo 〈◊〉 say and write that Christ des●…ded into hell ad inferos Is to go ●…nd ascend into Abrahams bosome 〈◊〉 descend and to cary the souls y ● Christ found there vp with him into heauenas you say to fetch out y ● ●…thers wherein are diuerse errors 〈◊〉 that you can not make descend 〈◊〉 be to ascend nor to go downe to 〈◊〉 to go vp Secondly that hell is neuer taken for Abrahams bosome ●…or in hell is perpetuall damnat ion in heauen eternall saluation neither can they in hell ascend nor they in Abrahams bosome decende neyther are they bothe in one place for the distance as Christ saythe was so greate the places so farr asunder their rewardes so contrary Abrahams bosōe so high hell so low the ioyes of the one so innumerable the Tormentes of the other so terrible the felicitye of Lazarus so Infinite and the miserye of the ●…ther so intol grable that they must be so farre distant as Heauen fro●… Hell so far centrary as light from darkenes Thirdly that Christ did not 〈◊〉 them that were in Abrahams 〈◊〉 some into any higher place or gr●…●…er ioy because that Abrahams 〈◊〉 some is and was the restinge 〈◊〉 and fruition of the iust the sola●… 〈◊〉 the electe the hauen of them 〈◊〉 are departed the Patrimonye 〈◊〉 Isaac the inheritaunce of Iacob 〈◊〉 Paradise of the blessed Théefe 〈◊〉 heauenly Hierusalem the socie●… of the holy soules and kingdom●… heauen Notwithstanding Lutzenburge is not as●…amed with other●… to say that Abrahams bosome 〈◊〉 Limbus patrum In what place hell is no man 〈◊〉 tell notwithstanding as I haue 〈◊〉 before your eies other mens opinions thereof of the which the 〈◊〉 parte same to place it in the earth euen so may we by better coni●… res then an●…e that they alleadge place it in the Aer about the earth For firste the Deuills are called ●…he Rulers of the worlde where they rule there they muste nedes 〈◊〉 well and haue their place but in 〈◊〉 Worldē they rule Ergo the Worlde is their Place So is the Deuell called the Prince of this worlde And that the place of Sathan is in the aer in the mindes of wicked men Paule declareth in the second chapter to the Ephesians the second verse where he speaketh of Sathan and of the spirite of Sathan working in suche as resist the Gospell and disobey the truthe folow sensuality and are giuen to their own ●…stes Sathan in Iob sayth that he ●…ame thither to aflict Iob and had gone round about the earth but y e ●…r compasseth the earthe aboute wherefore the aer appeareth to bee his habitation These deuils are y ● rulers of darknes by darknes he meaneth y ● dark 〈◊〉 circumfused about the earth and 〈◊〉 that large space and compase 〈◊〉 twene the moone and the earth●… which is called Tartarus in Peter wheither the peruerse angels wer●… thrust bounde with the cheynes 〈◊〉 darknes Eusebius as Steuchus 〈◊〉 porteth affirmeth that therefor●… deuells are called aeriall beca●… that the aer is theire place Lactantius an eloquent Chrysti●… wryter witnessethe that the deuel himselfe did confesse that he him selfe with his angells were 〈◊〉 ted in the aer Ergo then the 〈◊〉 ●…ay be their place Thus saith sa●… Deuells do flye by sea and lande with whippes tormented tied in 〈◊〉 Now if the aer be the place for 〈◊〉 deuell and his angells prescribed 〈◊〉 scripture then shoulde the 〈◊〉 haue said he ascended into hell 〈◊〉 not that hee decended For that 〈◊〉 aer is 〈◊〉 ●… 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 about vs 〈◊〉 compasseth the earth rownde about ●…ther is it any greater absurditye 〈◊〉 saye that the aire hath his inha●…itours then to saye that heauen whiche is aboue the planetts and ●…ed starrs hath his And y ● places ●…re alleadged out of the scripture ●…roue the same That Christ saythe Martyne Bucer a man of a deepe iudgement and profounde knowledge did carrye y ● saintes that were in inferno that is they that sleped 〈◊〉 the dust of the earth as all the ●…lect did from deathe to lyfe the scripture prophecied nothing ne●…er that the Lorde shoulde do any thinge ells but to dy●… for them They are therefore dremes whatsoeuer the deuines in tyme paste haue disputed of Limbo patrum ●…nd of that reall descendinge of Christ to the damned soules and ●…gatory Nether is that certayne and sure whiche some of late haue imagined forged inuented that Infernus Hell is Desperation and ●…urgatory in a manner desperati●… The Scripture after this lyfe pro nounceth to the saintes quietne●… in the bosome of Abraham euen t●… liue with Christ and to ●…aigne 〈◊〉 the father to the wicked he prom●… seth Geenna euerlasting fire prepared for y ● deuill but he promiset●… not Infernum The aunciente Fathers report that Christ descende●… into infernū meaning thither whither euery thing descendeth that is begotten They make no mention of Limbus none of purgatory no●… of Christes spirite descending into certayne darke dongcons Lette v●… let these passe as y ● inuentions o●… men and let vs rather giue thanks vnto the Lord who thrust his ow●… sonne for vs and for all the electe into Infernum that is ●…o wyt that he willed him to dye trulye that by his deathe we might be deliuered that by his resurrection from the dead we should not doubt but tha●… wee shoulde ryse agayne also vnto blessed immortality Thus muche ●…ut of Bucer faithfully translated word for word Lactantius tearmeth Inferos that place out of the which Christe did ryse his soule did not ryse for yt neuer fell it neuer dyed Ergo it was his bodie which rose out of the graue which he calleth Inferos he alloadgeth the 16. psalme for the same purpose and the 13. of Hosee

Wher●… Adam sayth y ● Caua is flesh of hi●… flesh and bone of his bones signifying in a mistery Christ his cōgregation for sayth Paule we are ●…bers of his bodye of his fleshe an●… of his bones For this cause shall ●… man leaue father and mother an●… shall be ioyned vnto his wyfe an●… they two shall be made one fleshe this ys a great secreate but I speak●… of Christ and his churche For as Isha whiche is the woman is deriued of Ish which is the man declaringe a mutuall societye th●… ys betwene man and wyfe whi●… in a misterye figurethe Christ and his congregation of whome Christians are deriued as the woman from man euen so and in lyke manner the churche which are the true Christians indeed are deriued of Christ the heade thereof Tobias saith we are the progeny of God loke for the life which god giueth to y e iuste by liberalitye almes wee shall see god face to face for it deliuereth frō death purgeth sin giueth life euerlastinge Also Dauid being in daūger of his enemies or in daūger of deathe by sicknes cōmēdeth his spirit vnto god y ● had redemed him whē as Christ had not thē w t his patible body redemed hī yet he said he had redemed him whē as it was 500 yeare before his passiō Neither would he haue cōmēded his soule vnto god if he had knowne y ● god would haue sent yt into Hell CHRIST approued this Sentence beinge vppon the crosse sainge father into thy handes I cōmit my spirit But yf some shuld here obiect as I doubt not but they wil saye y e for al y e Christes soule went not straighte vnto heauen before he had made his voiage vnto hell there to visite and fetche out his old frindes al the space that the soule was absent from the body which was three dayes yet I dout not but they shall be compelled to confesse thinke the contrary euen by the words of S Steuen who suffe red after Christ a yeare or there aboute vsed y e very same wordes which Dauid and Christ did commendinge his spirite vnto God as they did And if they graunt that he ascended streyght way than must they graunt the same vnto the other who vsed all one scripture the scrip ture is no Shipmans hose neither is it partiall but like effectuall to all beleuers Dauid committed his soule into the handes of god gods handes is euerlasting ioy and felicitie as it appereth by Salomon who saythe that the soules of the iust are in the hands of god which is proued in the boke of wisdome Also in the boke called the preacher he constantly affirmeth the body to goe to the grounde and the spirite or soule to returne vnto god that gaue it who soeuer shall reade the seconde boke of Machabeus shal ap parantly perceue by the wordes of the seuenth and last brother spoken vnto Antiochus y ● their soules had rest and ioy after their martirdome saing Doe not reioyce o most cursed Autiochus nether imagine that thou canst escape the iust iudgment of God I assure thee my brethrene here haue suffered a little payne but now they are come into the heauenly couenaunte of euerlastinge life Esdras seing an innumerable multitude praysing God asked the aungell what they were who answered that they were such as had put of their mortal coates and put on their immortall and the yonge mā who did set crownes vpon their heads gaue thē palms in their hādes was y e sonne of god christe thē not being incarnate nor borne god speaking in Esa. to the people miserably opprest sayth vnto thē enter into my Houses and Chambers shut the dores to you for a while vntil this tirany be past which chābers houses the Latins do vnderstād to be pleasaūt ioyfull places prepared for the electe So doe the grekes also The like is spokē vnto Daniel in these words go thou thy way departe vnto the ende of the world rest thou in thy lot that ys among the sayntes vntil thou shalt rise againe at the last day Also the Angel spake vnto Iosua 400. yeres before Christs cōing in y e flesh on this wise If y u shalt ob serue my Lawes and Commaundementes I shal place the among those Angels whō y u seest stāde here who as it is like were nether in hell nor in Limbus Moses Helias were w t Christ in y ● moūt it is not licke y ● they did ascēd frō h●…l or Limbus to come accōpāy Christ but rather to descēd frō heauē Simeō reding y ● Prophete Esaie y ● Christ should be borne of a virgine and maruelinge how it should cōe to passe an angel said vnto him y u shalt se thy sauiou●… ere y u dost depart And whē Christ was presēted in the tēple Simeon toke him in his armes saide now sufferest y u thy seruant to depart in peace according to thy worde c. to departe in peace is to enioy euerlasting life S Paule so doth erpoūd it calleth ioy peace y ● effects of faith this must be in the cōsciēce of man h●…w could they departe in a quiet cōsciēc●… y t should go hēce in to hel or Limbus He vseth this order to proue mās saluatiō by whō he knoweth before thē he doth predestinate to be like vnto his sonne whō he pred estinareth thē he calleth whō he calleth thē he iustifieth whō he iustifieth he glorifieth by y e which it must n●…des followe y ● the fathers were predestinated called iustified glorified by christ Peter saith we beleue to to be sa●…ed by y e grace of Iesus christ as wel as y ● fathers Hetherto the scriptures The Hebrue Doctors affirme with one assente that there are but two places after this lyfe the one of ioy which they call Gan Eden full of ioy quietnes and consolation the other place Hell where the wicked are continually tormented without redemption The Chalde Paraphraste placethe all the soules of the iust in an heauenly tabernacle where they enioye pleasure perpetually this felicity saith he Dauid callethe y ● land of euerlastīg life And of this opinion is Chimi and Esra interpreting the 1. the 30. and 91 psalmes The greke doctors sende them to heauen Origen writinge vpon the firste of Iob to the tabernacies of the iust where are the ioyes of sayntes the rest of the faythfull the consolatiō of the godly the inheritaunce of the humble the reioysinge of the innocentes I shall go into lighte and life where is mirth ioy no sorow no lamitatio no calamity or sicknes but where I shall put away all paynes wher vertues are rewarded wher is the bosome of Abraham y e state patrimonye of Isaac Israels

going downe of Christ into his Graue saythe that he rose againe w t a great nomber of bodyes and you vnderstand his going downe to Hell of his Soule Consider what you write expende what you speake bee well aduised how you alleadge the old Aucthors do not betraye them do not falsefy them do not deceiue the simple w t your vnwritten verities who vnrerstand not who canne not haue those Bookes whiche you doe alleadge Smith Did not he lead Captiuitye captiue and gaue gyftes to men Were not these Captiues the fathers that were in Limbo or such as were in Purgatory Carlil If this place be vnderstanded of CHRIST his ascension then must we nedes interprete this captiuity of suche as rose with him who also ascended withe him Chrisostome expoundethe yt as I do Haymo hath diuers expositions tending to this purpose Christ triumphed ouer deathe Sathan and synne and ouercame thē by his deathe resurrection and ascension and gaue gyftes to men euen the giftes of the Holy Ghoste whiche gyftes he receiued of them for he crownethe his gyftes in vs and his gyftes are called ours by participation for hee communicatethe his gyftes withe vs and our gyftes are his for of him they come Christ saythe Theoderet deliuered vs captiued with synne ty●…d withe the chaynes of iniquitye he hathe set vs at liberty giuen vs the grace of the Holy Ghost hathe heaped his mercy and liberal kindnes vpon vs. Of this place I haue noted vpon the threscore and eighte psalme and Ephesians 4. wherfore I shall not néede to repeate anye more in this place Smith Did not he●… discend into lowest partes of the earthe What other thinge can you call the lowest partes of the earthe then hell Carlil I will not dispute withe you where hell is at this time neither whether it bee in the earthe or not Of the whiche I haue discoursed a litle after Notwithstanding Pauls meaning is that Christ. who ascended is euen he that descended héere into the earthe And although that his manhoode came not from Heauen yet his Godhead did and entered into the Uirgin Mary and tooke fleshe vpon him so that here he calleth the Uirgins wombe the lowest partes of the earthe So doth Dauid cal his mothers wombe wherein hee was fashioned and enclosed as in a place vnder the earth Chrisostome saythe that Paule callethe the inferiour partes of the earthe his Deathe whiche hee suffered in earthe and after the whiche he did offende for sayth he after a manner of speaking Iacob sayde ye shall bring myne olde age to deathe so hee tearmethe Inferos And Theodoret also callethe them his deathe Was his death in Hell Did not he dye in Egipt was Egipt Hell Photius and Aecumenius call these inferiour partes CHRIST his graue Smith Did not Christ preache in Hell to the disobedient spirits Carlil Were these disobdient spirits in y e lowest hell or in y e highest called Purgatory w e you or in the highest but one called Limbus patrū w t you In y e lowest you say Christ preached not for as you holde he was not there in Limbo patrum hee was not for they were in Heauen by the same Faythe that wee haue neither were they disobedient In Purgatorye these disobedient were not whiche woulde bee brought to no Repentaunce by any preachinge or exhortation for in Purgatorye you say that they may do repent but these did not repēt wherefore the Lord sent suche abundance of water that they were al drowned saue Noac Sem Cham Iaphet and their wyues Let vs trāslate y e text according to y e greke It is good surely Because it is the will of God to suffer for well doinge and not for euell doing For Christ likewise hath once suffered for sinnes the iust for the Iniust that he might bring vs to God hee suffered death as concerning his flesh but was reuiued by the spirite In the which also he went and prea ched to those spirites that were in prison Whiche were Desperate at that tyme at what tyme the longe Sufferinge of GOD did tarry once in the dayes of NOAC what tyme the Arke was in preparinge in the whiche a fewe that is to say eighte personnes were Saued by the water Vnto the which baptisme whereby we are saued is compared which is not the putting away of the fylth of the flesh but the testimony of a good conscience towarde God by the resurrection of Iesu Christ. Thus farr the text after my translation Peter exhorteth all men to suffer for well doing by the example o●… Christ who suffered deathe a●… concerning his flesh his body dyed and was buried notwithstanding●… it rose againe by the power of his owne Spirite whiche is the Holy Ghost In the whiche Spirite h●… went in the dayes of Noe an●… being within Noe forced Noe t●… preache and therefore hée is sayd●… to preache to those euill Spirites to the desperate Spirites and rebells whiche were in the pryson●… of their bodyes for the body wa●… as a prysone wherein theire Spirites and soules were contained And these saythe Peter were those euill men whiche were desperate and rebells to God euen at that tyme what time the long suffer 〈◊〉 of God the clemency of the Lorde the Spirite of Iehoua Christes deuine nature did geue them tyme ●…o repente 120. Yeares loked for their amendement And this saith Peter was in the dayes of Noe all the tyme that the arke was a preparinge in the whiche Noe wythe his thrée sonnes Sem Cham and ●…aphet with their foure Wiues were saued by the force of the wa●…er that bare vp the arke ●…nto the whiche water Baptisme ●…s compared or a Figure signe or Sacrament correspondent to this ●…ater for as they were saued by ●…heir fayth and by the helpe of the ●…ater from drownyng so are wée ●…y Baptysme and that throughe ●…is resurrection For as Christe ●…ose againe beinge dead a gloryous ●…odye so ryse wée beinge as it were ●…uryed in Baptisme to walke in a ●…ew lyfe Whiche Baptisme is a Testimony of a good conscience towarde God as I haue translated the place And this is a perfect definition of Baptisme Reade more of this matter in my notes vppon the. 1. of Peter 3. Here you may s●… that this place declareth the death and resurrection of Christ and th●… Diuine nature of Christ which●… is here called his Spirite For h●… had power to geue vp his life t●… take it a gaine Hethereto I ha●… repeated the text and after it th●… whole and true sense paraphrastycally Now I will proue that this Spirite is the diuine nature of Christ Secondlye that these Spirites t●… whome the Spirite of Christ preached were the euell men that liu●… in the tyme of NOAC vnto whi●… NOAC preached beinge endue●… and

enflamed by this Spirite o●… Christ. Thirdly that the prison was th●… Bodyes of them within the which were enclosed these Bloudy cruell and malicious spirites If he ●…ée a●… euell wicked man we vse to call him a wicked Spirite This is the spirite of CHRIST and his diuine nature and almighty Power whiche I proue out of this place by this syllogisme That thinge whiche raysed Christ was GOD this Spirite did raise CHRIST Ergo this Spirite was God euen the holy Ghost the Thirde Person in Trinitye That onely God raysethe the Deade whiche is the first proposition it is euident and proued also in manye places The seconde Proposition called the assumption or minor is proued by thys place and by Rom. 1. verse 4. where it is written that the Spirite of Sanctification raysed Christ. For saythe Paule As it were interpreting this place CHRIST was Crucified throughe infirmytye of his Humaine Nature notwithstandinge hée raygnethe and liueth in his deuine nature For hi●… bad them dissolue the temple meaning his bodye and within thr●… dayes hee woulde raise it againe The properties of the trinity a●… geuen to them all in places as th●… w t Christ did I meane to redeme man is giuen to God as though h●… should redeme man with his bloud so here the spirite of Christ is said●… to raise him Where ye haue i●… Scripture the flesh and spirite applied to the persone of Christ th●… fleshe is his humanity and spirit●… his diuinity Of the whiche I ha●… noted vpon this place of Peter And vpon Hebrues 9. And that this i●… the spirite of Christ it is manyfe●… of the whole hystory which is set●… for the at large in Moses gen 6. Di●… not this same Christ in like man●… preach to Adam and Gain and reproued them he came in spirite t●… them as he did to these This spirite in moses is called the spirite of Iehoua here it is called the Spirite o●… Christ there it is said to haue ●…triuen withe man here it is sayde to haue gone and preached to the despe rate rebells in the dayes of Noe. There God saith that he will not suffer it alwayes to contend with man here Peter prescribeth a certaine tyme euen all the tyme y ● the arke was in preparing There are geuen them to repent 120. Yeares here the long suffering of God did loke for their amēdement So long there were 8. persones saued there was the arke in preparing 120. Yeares here in like maner is the same thinge mencioned There this spirite preached to fleshly men and carnall here to the desperate and disobedient There God is said to hane warned them by the spirite of holynes here by the spirite of Christ. There they be called giants which were so terible in countenaunce that they y ● looked vpon thē fell downe for Feare here they are called so obstinate that nether erhortation coulde preuaile neith●… threatning reduce thē from iniquity to honesty This spirite withi●… Noac and others did preach to thes●… impenitent Gyantes exhorted th●… malitious and woulde haue corre●…ted them Of this reade my note●… vpon Gen. 6 and 1. Peter 3. Nethe●… is this spirite in Moses the soule 〈◊〉 man as Chimi dreameth neither in Peter as Castalio translated no●… the worde as Athanasius reporte●… in his Epistle to Epictitus vnl●… that he take the worde for the hol●… ghost or for Christes diuine nature for the soule of man is a creature and this Spirite is the Spirite o●… Iehoua and the spirite of Christ i●… Peter Moreouer it was not mer●… mā that preached to those obstina●… offenders but it was the spirite 〈◊〉 Iehoua in Moses and in Peter th●… spirite of Christ. This spirite wa●… in Noac who is called the eight●… preacher of righteousnes For th●… other seuen I meane Noacs sonnes withe their wiues preached aswell ●…s he Noac was the eighte person ●…at was in the Arke a preacher ●…f Righteousnes ●…nd Erithrea Sibilla who writeth er selfe to be one of Noacs daughters in lawe specifieth howe that ●…od commaunded Noac to preache 〈◊〉 the Gyauntes God commaunded Noac to preache That they should dy both great smal ●…nlesse they would forsake their wayes And turne to him the God of all ●…osephus writeth the like lib. 1. c. 5. To what spirites preached this ●…irite of Christ the Text aunsweeth to them that were desperate ●…ebells in the dayes of Noac The tyme declare the that this spirite of Christ beinge within Noac ●…reached to them of Noacs dayes ●…piritually for some Bookes haue 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 They to whome this Spirite of Christ preached were in earth and not in Hell They were in time of Noac to whom Christ p●…ched These were in Hell T●… Spirite preached in the dayes Noac the Papists say that he p●…ched in Hell two thousand ye●… after this tyme and aboue 〈◊〉 did Christ saythe the Text wh●… the desperate were where the 〈◊〉 antes were where the disobedi●… were when the longe suffering●… God looked for their amendem●… when Noac liued Noac then 〈◊〉 not dead therefore not in Hell 〈◊〉 the Arke was in preparing w●… there were 8. persons saued Was the Arke made in H●… who were the Artificers w●… had they Timber where had 〈◊〉 pytche Were there any Bea●… in Hell If the Deluge had b●… in Hell then should all the De●… haue béene drowned for the T●… sayth that there were but ei●… saued Dothe Baptisme aunswere to yt Baptisme is in earthe Ergo the ●…eluge was in earthe And conse●…ently these spirits were in earth the Scripture calleth wicked mē●…pirites as Paule tearmeth erro●…ous men the Spirites of errour ●…en false ●…rophets as these are ●…o were called erroneous Spirits are they in Peter called disobedi●…t Spirites in the like Phrase Were not these desperate spirits 〈◊〉 disobedient Rebells infected ●…ith sensuality seduced with plea●…e vpon whome was powred 〈◊〉 Spirit of wyckednes as of the ●…inces Zoan and Noph ●…f this double Spirit I meane 〈◊〉 Spirit of God and the Spirit the worlde as Paule writeth of ●…ith reade my notes vpon the 1. ●…t 3. And Cicero a prophane wrivseth the same Phrase callinge so an impure Spirite Thoughe Lyra was drowned in ●…aming Limbus notwithstandīg he saythe that y e Doctors Glo●… do not vnderstand this of Chris●… descending into Hell for these his and their woordes He saye they that came in s●… in our tyme and preached the 〈◊〉 of lyfe to the world the very s●… comming in spirit preached bef●… the Deluge to them that were 〈◊〉 perate and liued carnally For he was by the holy Ghost Noac other good men by w●… conuersation he preached to 〈◊〉 euell men that they mighte bee●… ned vnto God Thus farre the Ordinary 〈◊〉 withe muche more matter to effecte This preaching saith

not made in Hell but in Syrya about Libanus Wherefore this Spirite of Christ preached not in hell You say that CHRIST delyuered them that were in the state of Saluation either such faithefull Fathers as were in Limbus Patrum or suche as were neither so good as to bée in Limbus nor so despreate as to be in hell but to be as Newters and in a meane and therefore in purgatory But Peter saythe that this Spirite of CHRIST perached to the Obstynate and Desperate Gyantes and that in the dayes of NOAC If hée had preached in Hell should not hee as well haue Preached to CAIN and suche other as were before the floude as to ESAV and IVDAS and suche like whiche were after the floude If hée Preached to the Faithfull as you saye why dothe hée name the vnfaithfull Wherefore PETERS meanynge ys easelye to bée perceiued of the wise well knowen of the learned and fully awnswered to them that will not cal white black and blacke white If we should say saith Augustine that they that are in hell can beleue in Christ what absurdities should folowe contrary to our faith And howe coulde they haue bene deliuered out of hell if they had not beleued in him is there any deliuery any saluation any redemtion without him This place of Peter saith Augustine doth not pertaine to hell but to those dayes rather of Noac the forme whereof he applieth to these dayes Thus much Augustine with a manifest explanatiō of this place after the same order and maners that I do The Spirite of Christe preached where there was amendemente of Lyfe and there where the floud ouerflowed where the arke was made were 120. Yeares of repentance was giuen where eight persones were saued where Noe preached but none of these were in hell ergo this place is not vnderstand of Christ beinge in hell Smith I haue a place out of Peter that shall proue mine intent substan cially fortifie it strongly conclude with me effectually to the abolishment of all your argumentes and ex positions Doth not Peter say that the Gospell was preached to the dead and who are they that were dead were they not they that were in hell or rathere in purgatorye and in Limbus Carlil If you say that the Gospell was preached vnto the dead you either meane them that were a liue then when Peter liued and dead in synne which are all they that will not beleue as Lira expoūdeth this place or els ye meane thē that are dead and departed out of this life Smyth I meane that the Gospell was preached to the dead Carlil The dead are not called the Soules that liue but the bodyes which are dead You holde that the Fathers that were in Hell did liue Smyth So I holde Carlil Ergo they were not deade but you saye in this obiection that the Gospell was preached too th●… dead Are not the dead bodyes without Senses can they sée can the●… heare whose eares are in the earth●… consumed by tyme a●…d eaten with wormes Neither is this worde dead take●… at any tyme for them that liue 〈◊〉 the other life but is onelye appro●… pried to the body euen by the exposition of Tertullian A dead body is without lyfe soule and Senses Ergo it was the bodie●… that were dead and y e gospell therefore was not preached to them Wherefore we must saye that when Christ shall come to iudg●… the quicke and the Deade tha●… 〈◊〉 the quicke we meane them y ● ●…all bee alyue when Christe shall ●…me to Iudgement 1. Cor 15. by he deade suche Bodyes as sleepe 〈◊〉 their Graues till the last daye ●…d their foules either in payne or ●…easure in sorrowe or ●…olace 〈◊〉 felicity or misery in Torments 〈◊〉 in Ioye in Hell or Heauen ●…hyche beinge ioyned to their bo●…yes shall Receyue Sentence ei●…her to their Saluation or Con●…mnation The Gospell was preached to Adam nowe deade but then aliue ●…hen Christe Iehoua preached to ●…im the Seede of the woman to Noac nowe deade but then alyue ●…hen God tolde him that his Spi●…ite shoulde no longe●…●…tryue with ●…an To all other both that were either ●…aithful as the Prophets and Pa●…riarches were and the other faithfull or to y e vnfaythfull as to Caine ●…owe dead and then aliue to the Gyauntes before the floude no●… deade and then aliue Wheref●… did hee preache to them that th●… shoulde be iudged like other men●… fleshe that is that they might 〈◊〉 to synne and be mortifyed a●… shoulde lyue to God warde in 〈◊〉 Spirit Nowe the Gospell mortifieth s●… as beleue and raysethe them 〈◊〉 that they mighte lyue godlye a●… Spiritually The Gospell was preached to 〈◊〉 deade that is to men that are d●… in synne so is dead vsed Smith Howe aunswere you Mi●… cheas who sayethe that CHRIS●… ascended before them openinge t●… waye Carlil It wa●… not Christ but t●… Enemye some vnderstande it 〈◊〉 Nabucodonosor his Armye w●… assaulted and inuaded Hierusalem Nowe I wyll alleadge other mi●… myndes of the whiche not one 〈◊〉 them dothe alleadge yt as you 〈◊〉 you falsify the Texte and sorge ●…ther sense then euer Micheas ●…aned ●…is breaker was Sedechias who 〈◊〉 through the ruynous walles w t ●…ny others for hast to escape Af●… our English translation all this ●…ap is applied to y ● vtter destruc●…n of Hierusalem After Pagnine ●…s breaker of the wall was the ●…ngell whiche kylled the Assiri●…s and the King that went before 〈◊〉 Ezechias Others as Pellicane ●…unster and Castalio apply from ●…is place But I will gather the in ●…ede O Iacob vnto the ende all 〈◊〉 Christ who shall gather a great ●…ultitude at Hierusalem lyke ●…ckes of sheepe of suche a nomber ●…at they shal one opppesse another ●…e breaker of the gappe shall bee ●…essias who shall subdue your e●…emyes releue your miseryes and ●…ing you to felicity This Kynge ●…all goe before you Iehoua shall ●…e his name he shalbe your head guide But according to the let●… by this breaker vp is meaned 〈◊〉 Kinge of the Assirians and Bab●…nians withe their soldyours Smith I go saith Christ to prep●… you a place Ergo there were n●… in heauen before that Christ a●… ded to prepare a place Carlil Is this a good Argument●… you and I and halfe a score 〈◊〉 shoulde goe to London and 〈◊〉 should saye I am afearde that 〈◊〉 Innes should be taken vp t●… are so many that goe I wyll●… and prepare a place for vs. Doth yt nowe folowe that 〈◊〉 went to London before vs 〈◊〉 London emptye before Is th●… Citty where no Body dwellet●… Is that a Realme where there●… no Cytizens or Subiectes or t●… Heauē wher ther is no Saynct●… none inhabitauntes Let vs expounde the Text 〈◊〉 dinge to the Englishe Bible re●… in the Churches Christ seing his Disciples much ●…ered and troubled withe his sa●…ges as where he sayd that

in beastes in animantibus and in men and not in hearbes and trées this consisteth in féeling descerning desiring mouing willing séeing hearing breathing fearing sorrowing About the sixt moneth the immortal soul is infused And Paul 1. The●… 5. 13. maketh this diuision where he saith The God of peace keepe you sound and whole that your spirite life and body maye be kepte safe and without blame vntill the comming of our Lord Iesus Christ. The spirit he calleth the immortall soule as Salomon doth the life the senses and vitall spirite with affections the bodye the receptacle of both and encreaseth and groweth as thinges vegetatiue do Gregory Nissene is of mine opinion as concerning the exposition of this place Neyther Lyra nor the Ordinary glose differ greatly from me I expound it of the soul as doth Didimus who is reproued of Augustine Chrysostome and Theodoret who reproue Apollinarius for expoū ding it as I do Ambrose Theodoret and Augustine call this spirite the grace of the holy ghost I call it the soule The Gréekes and Latines folowing the 72. Interpretours as Augustine and Theodoret proue by the 21. of Exod. that the soule must needes come into the body when y e body is perfect with all his partes ●…ineamentes and proportion wher Moses giueth this lawe That if a man beate a woman and if the child shal not be borne with his ful shape thē he that caused her to deliuer her ●…hild shall yeeld life for life but if ●…t be without shape hee shall by ar●… bitrament paye according to the request of her husbande Which place saith Augustine Iob in like manner discribeth First the whole frame and proportion of the body and then the immortall soule in the 10. ver he saithe that God poured him out like milke and like cruddes of cheese hath put him together And in the 11. verse he addeth the frame of the whole bodye as skyn fleshe bones and sinewes and in the 12. verse The immortall soule which God gaue him of his aboundant mercy and the same soule he calleth his spirite as Christ doth Iob putteth the Hebrue word Caiim in the duall nomber to declare that God gaue him two liues one here in this world and an other in the next immortality Let vs now ioyne vnto these the creation of Adam the first man that we may consider howe all these do agrée Who gaue this soule God did inspire it What did he inspire the i●… mortall soule What calleth he that Nishmath caiim What is Neshma and what is Caiim Neshama is the immortall soule which God dothe giue and Caiim is ioyned with it in the duall nomber to declare the immortality of it both in this life and in the next In the 57. of Esay God is saide to make the soules Nishmath Of the which there I haue noted and very largely vpon Iob. 26. Esra writing vpon the 7. of Gen. saith that Neshama is proper to man onely Rabby Abraham y ● it is not founde without man Reade my note vpon the 150. Ps. Iosephus to answere both to Nishmath Caiim and to Nephes caia translateth them 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 meaning as Moses doth by Neshama and Caiim the immortall soule 〈◊〉 by Nephes caia the life which is ●…egetatiue and sensitiue This place is expounded by the 15. chapter of Wisdome where it saith that God giueth to man a working life 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 expressing y e sensitiue life vttered by Moses in N●…hes Caia and Neshmath Caiim it calleth the vitall spirite 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the immortal soul. Read my note vpon Wisdome 15. The immortall soul is called Ruac which returneth to God that gaue it If it returne to God Ergo from God it commeth and from heauen For they say y ● Neshama hath his name of Shamaiim heauen because that from thence the soul commeth and thither returneth Thither returned the soul of Adā immediatly after his departure out of y e body thither Enoch his body soul●… as some say thither Abrahams soul thither all the faithfull fathers soules thither Elias with his bodye in the sighte of Elisaeus thither the poore Lazarus soule in Luke thither Christ himself in the presence of his Apostles thither the soul of Stephā thither Elias and Christe ascended euen vnto the seate and maiestie of Iehoua as in a figure at the next impression Godwilling shall be manifestly more at large expressed together with other matter figures to this booke appertaining FINIS THE BELIEFE OF A CHRISTIAN CALLED THE COMON CRED●… as it is repeated in Augustine ad Pe trum Diaconū tom 3. page 231. likewise in his book de fide sym●… bolo pa. 144. also de sy●…bolo ad Cathe lib. 1. cap. 3. 5. lib. 3 c. 6. lib. 4. c. 6. Tom. 9. Chrysostome tom 5. August de temp s●…r 123. 125. In God the father I beleue the Lord omnipotent Who by his word did creat all earth sea and firmament I bo beleue in Iesu Christ with all myne hart mynde Who is onely the sonne of God and sauiour of mankinde Who was conceiued by the spirite the holy Ghost I meane Borne of Mary without all sinne a virgine chast and cleane Him Pontius Pilate iudged to death and cruell sentence gaue Whē he was dead they toke him downe laide him in his graue From thence the third day he did ryse for our sakes comfort And many one with him that houre as Mathewe doth reporte Through aer clouds he did ascēd vnto the seat of grace And there raigneth triumphantly and hath done all this space From thence he shall come downe againe to iudge the quick dead So do the scriptures teach vs plaine as we in them do reade In th'holy ghost I do beleue who doth our hartes inflame And causeth vs to worship God and call on Christes name I do beleue there is a church a spouse most chaste pure A faithfull elected flocke which euer shall endure I do beleue God will forgiue my sinnes life mispent And of as many as their faultes vnfainedly repente I do beleue God will restore and raise out of the grounde All mē that are consumde with death with a loude voice and sounde I do beleue after this life to fi●…e an other out Better then this ten thousand folde of this I haue no doute Exod. 22 22. Deut 13. 15. Leui●… 24. 16. Deut. 22. 22. Exo. 22. 18. Errors in doctrine Tus. 1. 9. ene 3. 9. Deut. 17. 19. Roma 13. 2. Ioseph 1. Gen. 7. ●… Peter 2. 12. Peter 2. 5. Nombers 11. 〈◊〉 18. 5. Sama. 2. 6. 17. Pr●…a 1●… 10 ●… King ●…8 14. 1 Kings 8. 14. 1 Chron. 1●… 1●… 1 Reg. 10. 11. 2 Chron. 17. 7. Esay 30. 31. Queston doutfull Ps. 16 10. It was God that losed the sorowes of death and not Christ Rom. 8. 19.