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purgatory_n because_o they_o pray_v for_o the_o virgin_n mary_n and_o the_o apostle_n and_o martyr_n etc._n etc._n else_o why_o do_v they_o not_o conclude_v that_o we_o do_v not_o believe_v it_o because_o we_o do_v the_o same_o to_o sum_v up_o all_o these_o evidence_n then_o i_o reason_v thus_o the_o primitive_a church_n pray_v to_o god_n for_o some_o soul_n depart_v that_o they_o may_v be_v deliver_v out_o of_o prison_n that_o their_o fault_n and_o sin_n may_v be_v forgive_v they_o that_o they_o may_v be_v ease_v of_o their_o pain_n that_o they_o may_v be_v save_v from_o the_o punishment_n of_o fire_n that_o they_o may_v be_v receive_v into_o heaven_n but_o such_o prayer_n be_v inconsistent_a with_o a_o belief_n that_o the_o soul_n depart_v be_v immediate_o take_v into_o heaven_n or_o condemn_v to_o hell_n therefore_o the_o primitive_a church_n believe_v there_o be_v a_o three_o place_n wherein_o some_o soul_n depart_v be_v detain_v and_o be_v capable_a of_o be_v assist_v and_o 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not_o do_v be_v they_o to_o be_v torment_v in_o purgatory_n fire_n ergo_fw-la etc._n etc._n answ_n this_o passage_n be_v confess_o obscure_a as_o to_o the_o meaning_n of_o some_o word_n in_o it_o and_o the_o time_n whence_o the_o blessing_n there_o mention_v be_v to_o commence_v and_o the_o doctor_n be_v bestow_v six_o full_a page_n upon_o the_o explication_n of_o it_o show_v it_o to_o be_v so_o and_o for_o that_o reason_n i_o think_v it_o be_v against_o the_o rule_n of_o logic_n to_o pretend_v to_o more_o evidence_n in_o the_o conclusion_n than_o the_o premise_n will_v afford_v but_o it_o seem_v he_o forget_v in_o his_o second_o sermon_n upon_o this_o text_n that_o in_o his_o first_o he_o have_v tell_v we_o that_o the_o dead_a which_o die_v in_o the_o lord_n in_o scripture_n phrase_n be_v those_o who_o die_v or_o be_v put_v to_o death_n for_o the_o lord_n cause_n that_o be_v as_o he_o express_o say_v suffer_v martyrdom_n for_o the_o lord_n i_o say_v he_o must_v have_v forget_v this_o 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