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A13255 A mustre of scismatyke bysshopes of Rome otherwyse naming them selues popes, moche necessarye to be redde of al the kynges true subiectes. Cum priuilegio. Swinnerton, Thomas, d. 1554.; Robertes, Johan, pseud. 1534 (1534) STC 23552; ESTC S104852 33,594 89

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but to the ende purpose that he wolde after that demaunde of them their owne fayth and byleue / haue it knowen to all men as it was before knowen vnto hym selfe / to signyfye that his seruauntes frendes and louers whiche be taught inwardly by the spyrit of his father haue an hygher knowlege vnderstandyng and a sure byleue and trust / where as they that be not instructe in their soules by the same spyryte haue but a waueryng mynde opinyon shaken with euery wynde puffe of doctryne The wordes of the scripture ben these whome sayd Christe do men talke that I am that same sonne of man And they answered Some say that thou art Iohn̄ Baptyst / other saye that thou art Helyas / other that thou art Ieremy or one of the nombre of the prophetes He sayd vnto them But what saye you that I am Than Symon Petre answeryng sayd Thou art Christ that same sonne of the lyuynge god Here thou must vnderstāde good reder that lykewyse as Christ proponed his question not onely vnto Peter but vnto all his apostels / euen so they all and not onely Peter answered vnto Christes questyon / all be it at the fyrste syght a man wolde thynke the contrary by the wordes of the scrypture but that answere of all them was made in Peter and by Peter in the name of them all / as in worldly besynesse the foreman of a quest answereth and gyueth the verdyte for all his felowes This affyrmeth saynt Augustyne vpon this same place by these wordes Vnus respondit ꝓmultis Oue Augustyne answereth saythe he for many Item the holy man Bede our owne countrey Bede man Petrus respondit vnus pro omnibus Peter answereth saythe he one for all Item Lyra Peter saythe Lyra as Lyra. though he had ben principall of all gaue answere for hym selfe and for the other And the glose also called Glosa interliniaris saythe the same / and so dothe the ordinary glose And the noble clerke Chrisostome Chrisostom in his .lv. homely vpon this same place of Mathewe / and vpon the last chapiter of Iohn̄ in his .lxxxvij. homilie calleth Peter the mouthe of thapostels / for that that all they answered in hym by his mouth as by their forman spokesman as men call it And that he was so it apereth well in the syxth chapyter of Iohn̄ where after a longe sermon that Christ had made vnto the people wherwith they were so sore offended that they went murmuring away forsoke his audyēce / he sayd vnto all his apostels atones wyll ye go also Than answered Symon Peter Syr to whom shulde we go Thou hast the wordꝭ of eternall lyfe / and we byleue knowe that thou arte Christ the same sonne of the lyuynge god Marke here that he saythe not I byleue and knowe / but we byleue and knowe as beynge the mouthe and forman for them all Of this it is manyfest bothe by scypture and doctours that Peter answered for all his felowes and they all in hym / and that his cofessyon was their cōfessyon Forget not this good gētle reder for thou shalte receyue no small fruyte therby lyght as touching the truthe of that that I affirme the bisshop of Rome to haue no more authorite than an other bysshop For this one 's graūted as it can not iustly be denyed and as we haue suffyciently proued that all the apostels made answere vnto Christes demaunde and confessed hym to be the sonne of the lyuynge god by the mouthe of Peter / than must it nedes folowe of congruence that what so euer answere and promesse for that confessyon so made semeth onely at the fyrst lokynge to be yelded vnto Peter as retrybucion rewarde of his christyan cōfessyon / must of necessite also be yelded vnto the rest of his felowes For the cause as sayth saynt Augustyn why Peter receyued suche a promesse of Christ as he dyd was his trewe and faythfull confessyon Nowe the same cause of promesse and rewarde beynge in them all that was in Peter / why shulde they not all than enioy and optayne the same gyfte authorite and promesse that Peter enioyed and optayned specially before so rightwyse a iudge whiche had called them al to one offyce of apostleshyp Ye that our reason is bothe good and problable / and that all the apostels had lyke egall promesse made vnto them all / ye euen the very same selfe promesse that Peter had made vnto hym and all at one tyme place / we shall confyrme and stablysshe by thautorite of doctours and reason corroborate by scripture Our fyrst doctour is the holy and worshypfull man Bede whiche confyrmeth our foresayd reason thus Lykewyse sayth this holy man as the apostels generally demaunded of their byleue Peter answereth one for all / euen so that answere that Christ made vnto Peter he made to them al in Peter This geare is playne ynough me thynketh But let vs se what Lyra sayth And I say vnto the sayth Christ that thou art Peter and so forthe where Lyra vpon these wordes of Christ And I say vnto the putteth to this glose for the thy felowes The same affyrmeth Ludolphus in his boke intytled De vita Christi euen by the same wordes and so dothe the foresayd glose interliniar or bytwene the lynes sayeng thus Christ answereth them all in Peter And the ordynarye glose sayth thus The answere is made to one for all to signyfye that vnitie ought to be obserued amonge them all Nowe this one 's proued as we se it is / and as it can not be denyed / but that what so euer promesse of power was here made vnto Peter was equally and at one tyme and place made vnto all the rest of thapostles How can the bysshop of Rome that vsurper tyraunt and bloode supper for shame yf he were not paste all shame ones mouthe it that he sholde haue any authoritie aboue an other bysshop consydering al thapostles had as moche power promysed vnto them as had Peter and all at one tyme as I sayd but euen now Yea that there was no superioritie amongest the apostles appereth in the .xv. chapytre of the actes of the apostles where whan Peter by the waye of sentence and iudgement wolde haue rydde the gentyles that were conuerted vnto Chryste from the bondage of Moyses lawe and from all the partes therof Iames toke vpon hym to correcte Peters sentēce and adiudged that for the weakenesse of the iewes to th ende that dissencyon stryfe sholde haue an ende bytwene the gentyles and them adiudged I saye that that gentyles sholde abstayne from eatynge of meates off●ed vnto ydolles from fornycacyon strangled and bloode / ye and discerned that so it sholde be sayinge My sentence is that is to saye I iudge and ordeyne that we trouble not them of the gentyles whiche be conuerted to god c. And this ordynaunce stode and was a playne correccyon to Peters
quarell that castyng their best weapons from theym ronne home to their wyues say they be driuen to flye for faute of weapon / and desyre a podynge in the stede of a sworde God sende euery good man in a iust cause somwhat more wyser coūsayle than he were lyke to haue of suche men whiche euen at the fyrste choppe / ye and without any study to confesse they be but beggers and haue no ware to fell Is not a mannes money well bestowed vpon suche merchauntes as crye creke euen at the. fyrsts brunte These be they that wyll beat● downe all the worlde with then gonne shotte But if other men had ben driuen to suche shamefull shyftes by them good lorde what exclamaciōs wolde they haue made And as for the perpetuall virgynite of our lady / no man douteth of it that I knowe But in the meane tyme I desyre my maysters the papystes with the proctours of bycherly buggersters to tell me as they wyll abyde by whether they byleue the perpetuall virgynne of our lady to be comprehended in scrypture written or no all be it I knowe that in some places they haue sayd naye all redy But as for that I wyll take no holde of it but gyue them for this one 's the priuylege of cornisshmen that is to tell their tales twyse for at the fyrst tellyng it may fortune they were not well aduised or ꝑaduenture the mens wyttes were rauysshed or as the cōmune saying is breched Neyther is it good maner to take a man at the worste An other cauellacyon haue they that This cauelacion toke the patriarche of vnthriftes out of doctour dronkarde is this How knowe ye say they which is the true worde of god Whervnto I answere that as concernyng our outwarde knowlege thapostles ꝓphetes haue left their myndes therof behynde them in writyng by the whiche we may discerne the true worde of god frō dreames fantasyes Well say they agayn But how be ye sure that thapostles ꝓphetes dyd write that same worde the ye red● as who sholde say it is possyble that ye may be deceyued that the byble whiche ye haue loke vpon may be falsly intytled be none of thapostles prophetes doynges Whervnto I make answere that as concernyng the outwarde knowlege we haue as moche and good assuraūce that it is the very selfe same worde that Chryst his apostles the ꝓphetes taught as that same sorte which ye cal the churche / that is to say the preestes monkes ●●eres chanōs abbots bysshops c. and haue herde Chryst thapostles the prophetes teche preche as often as euer did they / sene thē as often as euer dyd they Wherfore as cōcernyng the outwarde tytle knowlege as I said before we be so wel assured therof as they ben and receyue no knowlege of thē no more thā they receyue of vs. Neither haue they any better know lege in this behalfe than we haue Than procede our wyse dreamyng doctours further / affirme that we of the tēporaltie haue none other knowlege assuraūce of the true worde of god but bycause the churche that is the clergye as they meane beyng assured which is the true worde which not by the instruction techyng of the holy goost doth certifie tell vs by the same spirit which is that same true worde of god It is an olde sayd sawe good reder that a man shal soone ●ceyue a thefe by his own tale These olde bottell bretherne be so subtyl that they wote not in the worlde what they say I ●myse you they ben excedyng connyng in wrastlyng by the armes / but whan they cōme to the collers they ben choked vp forthw t as the deuyl wolde / cast in theyr owne trip Let vs marke well their wordes and se what they haue won by their owne tale and cōfession If the holy ghost as they cōfesse and as there is no doute eustructeth the churche teacheth her to discerne the true worde of god from false dremes and fantasyes / than is it as false as euer god almyghty was true or is that we of the temperaltye haue no other knowlege or assuraūce whiche is the trewe worde of god but by the spirytualty for as moche as we by the redemptyon that is in Christ Iesu be of the same churche that is enstructe taught made perfyte in all verytees or truthes For loke howe the holy ghost enfourmeth teacheth all the hole holy catholyke churche of god / euen so he inspyreth teacheth euery trewe and lyuyng membre of the same in all veritees and truthes necessary to their saluacyon But truthe it is that the papysticall spyritualtye with the doctour of the vnwriten worde be not of the churche of god / ergo they be not enstruct by the holy ghost and consequently knowe not the true worde of god wherfore of good cōgruence reason y● by theyr own reson they must bylene 〈◊〉 whan we say vnto them this is the true worde of god not we them For that they be none of the churche approueth saynt Paule in the .viij. chapitre to the Roma●s saying But if any mā haue not the spiryt of Christ that mā is none of his The papistical spiritualtie with the prophete of lytell verait haue not this spirit of Chryst ergo they be none of his sorte by the wytnesse of his seruaūt Paule Yea how can they for shame be so bolde to saye that they haue his spiryte whan they be al vtterly voyde of the fontes aseribed appropriate to them that haue the spirite Oneles they coulde make good fortifie these lytle prety ones that I shall adnōbre to be the frutes of Chrystes spiryte as ambicion pryde lordlynesse enuy malyce disdeyn preuy open murdre oppressyon tyranny sleuthe ease glotony with all maner of lechery brennynge drownynge hangyng men ī their owne gyrdels sectes scismes diuision debate cōtenciō stryfe with Symō magus Iudas the people of Sodome Gomorre with hawkes horse hoores knaues theues all that naught is and whether these be the knowen manifest fruites of the papistycall kyngdome the heed father god wherof is Antychrist of Rome / his atturney the great god of Cateway the father of vnwritten veritees / I reporte me to all the worlde And now ye se what our vnwriten euāgelistes haue won by their owne tale to what point cōclusion they be brought by their vndouted veritees Forsoth that they be neyther sure whiche is the worde of god nor yet be none of his churche / that for bycause they be not endued with his spiryt as their fruytes do well declare But the very entent purpose pollicy of the authours of the forsayd vnwritten worde was vndoutedly herafter whan they shuld haue sene tyme conuenyent / to haue denyed all holy scripture writen bothe tholde testament the newe to be the worde of god This is