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A88838 An untaught teacher witnessed against. Or, The old bottles mouth opened, it's wine poured forth, drunk of drunkards, denyed of them who have tasted of the new. That is to say, the unsound, unseasoned, unsavory doctrines, and opinions of Matthew Caffyn, Baptist-teacher laid open, who in the county of Sussex, is cryed up to be as their battle axe, and weapon of warre, who as Jannes and Jambres rides aloft, and bestirs himself with the magick rod of his lies, slanders, aspersions, and unsound doctrines, labours to strengthen the hands of carnal professors, and to keep the beloved of God in bondage: ... Which doctrines, and unsavory speeches were received from his own mouth, part of them at a meeting of the people called Quakers, at Crowley in Sussex, others thereof at his own house neere South-water, before me and John Slee, upon the fifth day of the seventh moneth, 1655 ... / Tho: Lawson. John Slee. Lawson, Thomas, 1630-1691.; Slee, John. 1655 (1655) Wing L729; Thomason E854_12; ESTC R202688 20,795 30

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Againe Mathew Caffyn said that the Scripture doth so farr reveale God and Christ to a Creature as that he walking up to its revelation to his lives end with a single heart shall be eternally saved I answer let all who know any thing of God judge if thou do not herein shut out thy selfe both from the knowledge of the Father and the Son so art a heathen not knowing God Math. 11.27 no man knows the Son but the Father neither knows any man the Father but the Son and he to whom the Son reveals him herethou art Antichrist pulling the Crowne from off his head and giving it to the Scripture saying the Scripture reveals God and Christ c when as the Scripture saith the Son reveals the Father here thou wrests the Scripture out of its place which doth but testifie of Christ John 5.39.40 and sets it in the roome of Christ 1 Cor. 2.10 God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit for the Spirit searches all things yea the deep things of God and thou saist the Scripture reveals here thou sets the Scripture in the room of the Spirit Gal. 1.15.16 Paul said God revealed his Son in him so he preached him among the heathen Paul said God reveals his Son and thou saies the Scripture reveals him herein thou hast set the Scripture in the room of God saying the Scripture reveals the Son when as the Scripture saith God reveals his Son herein hast thou set the Scripture in the roome of God Christ and the Spirit and that which may be knowne of God is manifest in man for God hath shewed it unto him Rom. 1.19 and the Lord reveals his secrets to his servants Amos 3.7 and 1 Jo. 5.12 he that hath the Son hath life he that hath not the Son hath not life who onely gives an understanding heart to know him that is true 1 Jo. 5.20 here without life thou art and without the knowledge of him that is true saying the Scripture reveals God c. When as the Scripture saith it is the Son alone that gives an understanding heart to know him that is true O lier see thy folly and unsound doctrines The Angel is sounding and a Star from Heaven is falne unto the earth who hath the Key of the bottomless pit the same to open and smoke arises apace Rev. 9.1.2 the wise see and consider 9. Mathew Caffyn said that there is so much of God and Christ revealed in the Scriptures to men as through faith therein is a sufficient means of salvation I answer what hast thou to do to tell of salvation whose mouth is full of lies and under whose lips doth the poyson of asps appeare and for condemnation thou art who denies the Father Son and Spirit and sets the Scripture in the place thereof powres forth heresies corrupt doctrines and denies him whom we witness to be able to save to the utmost such as come to him Heb. 7.25 this is the stone which such unskillfull builders as thou denies and sets the Scripture in his place in whom alone is salvation Acts 4.10.11.12 but him thou knows not so lives in vaine jangling and the sufficient meanes which thou speaks on hath not saved thee and thou that would set up any thing in the roome of Christ in whom alone is salvation or in thy devillish reason would set up any thing with Christ to adde to his sufficiency to save man him thou knows not but art for condemnation with the light which shews the sin and evill which thou acts contrary to 10. Matthew Caffyn said no man hath eternall life now in him as possessing it but a promise of it 1 Joh. 2.25 I answer thou art turned from the light wherewith Christ hath enlightned thee which guides all that love it up to life so the earth is seated in thee where the beast and false Prophet lodges and the promise which to thee is promised is the lake of fire burning with brimstone Rev. 19.21 that is the promise to the beast and false Prophet and he is the beast who is out of the truth and whether thou be out of the truth yea or nay let thy lying fables witnesse and he is the false Prophet who runs but is not sent of the Lord and whether thou be sent of the Lord yea or nay let thy lies thy own words witness who hast run so long and yet confesses thou knows not what the tongue of the learned is and thou that lives contrary to the light knows not what they come to enjoy and possesse who obey the light which comes from Christ and leads to him who is eternall life 1 Jo. 4.3 every Spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God and this is that Spirit of Antichrist whereof you have heard that it should come and even now already is it in the world but thou may say thou knows and confesses he came in the flesh 1655 yeares since that we know and the Pope confesses Christ as neare him as thou but thou art Antichrist who dost not know him ruling in thy mortall body this they witnessed to whom these words were spoken they were Children and had overcome them and were of God 1 Jo. 4.4 this they knew not by talking of him without them but by possessing him in them who is greater then he that is in the world even Jesus who is eternall life 1 Io. 4.4 Io. 5.24 some had everlasting life some were passed from death to life 2 Cor. 4.10.11 Paul spake of the life of Jesus being manifest in the mortall body and the life of Jesus is eternall and 1 Io. 5.11 12 13 20. saith Iohn this is the record that God hath given to us eternall life c. and these things have I written c. that ye may know you have eternall life and they were in the true God and eternall life how ignorant art thou of the letter and yet dare call thy selfe a Minister of Christ and 1 Io. 4. he that confesses that Jesus is the Son of God God dwelleth in him and he in God and he that dwells in God dwells in eternall life God is eternall life Io. 6.54 11. Mathew Caffyn said that no man while he is upon earth comes to the end of faith I answer thou art exercising thy selfe in things that be too high for thee why art thou speaking of the end of faith who hast not faith as a graine of musterdseed which removes mountains The end of faith is the salvation of the soul 1 Pet. 1.9 which the Apostle spoke of What dost thou presse after thou wilt say after the salvation of the soul What and if any come to enjoy that which thou presses after wilt thou envy them or deny the goodness of God towards them Math. 1.21 Christ was given to save from sin Paul and those he speaks of were already saved 2 Tim. 1.9 Hed. 7.25 he is able to save to the uttermost the ingrafted word
is able to save the soul Iames 1.21 this is denied of thee who lives in pollutions and in the nature of the world the light who ownes which comes from Chfist it lets man see a necessity of a Saviour to save him from sin and by little and little begets faith in him as that from sin he shall be saved now abiding the end of faith is witnessed that is possessed which was beleived to be enjoyed so is Christ the author and finisher of faith doth this beget carelessnesse or bring forth iniquity no who live in iniquity salvation witness not but the same that saves from sin keeps out of sin all who abide in it 1 Ioh. 3.6 but what is this to thee who art one of the foolish women that sewes pillows to all Arme holes and slaies the souls that should not die and saves the soules alive that should not live by thy lies Ezek. 13.18.19 12. He said that that Christ that was crucified at Jerusalem and role flesh and bones c. is not really in any man upon earth but his spirit is I answer no other Christ we own but him who witnessed a good confession before Pontius Pilate and thou that knowes not that he is in thee art a Reprobate 2 Cor. 13.5 and the same Paul who said Christ is in you except you be Reprobates the same said Christ lives in me Gal. 2.20 Now if thou had been in the dayes of Paul who said Christ lived in him would thou have told him that Christ did not it was his spirit or would thou have told him that Christ did not really live in him or wilt thou set Christ in one place his spirit in another who is Emanuel God with us Mat. 1.23 and saith Christ I in them and thou in me Jo 17.23.26 Now wi●t thou oppose Christ and say he is not really in them who is it here that denies Christ who is it that wrests the Scriptures and now thou art a lyar who saith Christ is not really in any man upon earth Christ saith otherwise whether must Christ or thou be believed He saith At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father and you in me and I in you Jo 14.20 and he that eats my flesh and drinks my blood dwells in me and I in him but a wiser then thou may stumble at this John 6.56 and Christ in you the hope of glory Col. 1.27 Now this thou that stumbles at is that the Scripture may be fulfilled Christ is a stumbling stone 13. He said the Scripture is the word I answer that is another lie and the Scripture is a witness against thee it saith God is the word and the word became flesh and dwelt amongst the Saints John 1.1.14 and Rev. 19.13 his name is called the word of God Rev. 19.13 Now the Scripture is a true Declaration John 5.39.40 Luke 1.1 14. He said the Scripture was the word of Faith I answer that is another lie and here thou denies Christ who was before the World was or the Scripture was or Heresie Schisme Antichrist or false Prophet was Heb. 12.2 who is the Authour and finisher of faith Now thou sayes the Scripture is the word of faith now then how came Abel Enoch Noah Abraham Isaac Jacob and Joseph how came these to faith and the rest who were before the letter was here thou makes it manifest thou art faithless not knowing the word of faith but puts the letter in its room and Rom. 10.8 Paul who was a Minister of the word of faith he was not a Minister of the letter but of the spirit 2 Cor. 3.6 but that eare that heares the word of Faith thou knowes not opened but the dead minde beares rule in thee so thou sets the Scripture in the room of him who is the Authour and finisher of Faith whose comming is as the morning who opens the blind eye and unstops the deaf eare Isa 35.5 15. He said the Scripture was the truth I answer here thou wrests the Scripture out of its place and sets it in the room of Christ who saith he is the truth Iohn 14.6 Now Christ saith he is the truth and thou sayst the Scripture is the truth whether is the lyar a lyar thou art the truth sets free Iohn 8.32 the Scripture doth not truth sanctifies Iohn 17.17.19 the Scripture doth not but thou may be ready to slander me because I say not Amen to thy lies and say I deny the Scripture which I do not for it I own to be a true Declaration testifying of Christ who is the truth Iohn 5.39.40 Luke 1.1 16. He said the Scripture did lead into the truth I answer that is another lie and the Scripture witnesses against thee which saith the spirit of truth leads into all truth John 16.13 and 1 John 2.20 ye have an unction from the holy one and ye know all things and that by the vertue of the unction in them and not the leading of the letter without them so the Scripture testifies of that which leads into all truth but is not the thing leading into all truth 17. He said the Scripture led into the knowledge of God and did teach man the knowledge of God I answer that is another lie and the key of knowledge thou here denies so thou art brutish in thy knowledge Jer. 10.14 Thou sayes the Scripture leads into the knowledge of God and teaches the knowledge of God here thou denies the Son and sets the Scripture in his place Mat. 11.27 No man knowes the Father but the Son and he to whom the Son reveals him and thou sayst the Scripture teaches the knowledge of God Rom. 1.19 what may be known of God is manifest in man now thou sayes it is the Scripture without that teaches the knowledge of God it is the spirit that discerns God who is a spirit and makes known spiritual things 1 Cor. 2.14 Isay 28.9 it is God that teaches knowledge John 14.26 The comforter shall teach you all things Luke 1.76.77 the Child Jesus Emanuel God with us he gives the knowledge of salvation Now here thou sets the Scripture in the room of Christ who teaches the knowledge of his Father and sayes the Scripture teaches man the knowledge of God here another lie is found in thy mouth and the key of knowledge thou casts from thee who disobeys the light which shews the sin and evil and another lie is put into thy hand even by the Angel of the bottomless-pit whose name in the Hebrew Tongue is Abaddon in the Greek Tongue Apollyon Rev. 9.11 so thou art opening and screwing but I say by thy searching thou shalt never finde out God Job 11.7 8. 18. He said no mans wisdom upon earth was perfect I answer Thou art turned from the light so thy wisdom is from below and thou and thy Generation who know not the Crosse of Christ but denies it knowes not the wisdom which is from above which is perfect in the Saints
eyes true it is the old man dreams Dreams but Sons and Daughters prophesie and Iob saw God while he was in the flesh but not with fleshly eyes Iob 42.5.6 mine eye now seeth thee said Iob but thy right eye must be plucked out and cast from thee else not know that eye which sees him who is invisible Heb. 11.23.24 25 26 27. 23. He said by the person of Christ no man comes to the Father I answer how long will the Nations be led by such blind guids as this who saith by the person of Christ no man comes to the Father when as Christ said no man comes to the Father but by me John 14.6 herein he denies the true way so is Antichrist let all who are simple judge whether this fellow lead towards God or from God who denies Christ to be the way so is a Thief and a Robber who denies the door so is climbing another way John 10.1 and Heb. 7.25 he is able to save to the uttermost such as come to God by him now thou denies him and saith he is not the way will any be so bewitched as to run after thee or such like O shameless teacher and without understanding who art so drunk with the Cup of abhomination as that thou staggers reeles stumbles and spews out thy own shame and denies the Lord who hath put a price into thy hand but it and him thou denies and no other Way but him we own who lighteth every man that comes into the world which thou denies and walks not in it is a way of holiness the unclean the Lyon the Beasts of the Forrest walk not in this way and thou who bears the Image of the earthly denies him who is the expresse Image of his Fathers person Heb. 1.3 24. He said Christ was ascended into Heaven and is now sitting in Heaven with a body of flesh and blood with the very same body of flesh and blood with the which he did eat broyled fish among his Disciples I answer thou art an Image-maker and knowes not his body which sets free from the Law and from the body of sin Rom 7.4 and thou who lives in lies in the Customs and fashions of the world and in deceitful wayes contrary to that in thy conscience knowes not the body of Christ so art doting dreaming framing forming and imagining and setting up Images and likenesses in thy sensual wisdom of persons and places which who know his body from these things are redeemed Ephes 5.23 He is the Saviour of the body and his body sets free from sin and the Law if thou have an eare thou may heare Ephes 4.9.10 Now that he ascended what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth and no man ascended into Heaven but he that came down from Heaven even the Son of man which is in Heaven John 3.13 And flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God 1 Cor. 15.50 yet are we members of his body of his flesh and of his bones Ephes 5.30 Go learn what these things mean and thou that sayes he is in Heaven with a body of flesh and blood opposes the Apostle who was an eye witness of his Majesty who said flesh and blood must not inherit c. and said Christ glorifie thou me O Father with thine own selfe with the glory which I had with thee before the world was John 17.5 and Christs glorious body we own Phil. 3.21 so deny thee and thy Images and thy vulturs eye and the Eggs which thou Cocatrice hatches and the spiders webb which thou weaves which thy nakedness cannot cover Isay 59.5.6 call not this railing for a name thou must have according to thy nature whose lips speak lies whose tongue mutters perversenesse who trusts in vanity and pleads not for the truth but against it saying thou wilt root the Ministers of the truth out of these parts the marks of them thou beares that Isa spoke of Isa 59.1 2.3 4 5 6. 25. Matthew Caffyn said God did not dwell in any creature but his Spirit did I answer here thou would make good a lier who hath said I will dwell in them and walk in them 2 Cor. 6.16 Ephes 2.22 they were an habitation of God through the Spirit this thou stumbles at disputes and cavills against who art a stranger and a forrainer and an enemy to the houshould of God 1 Cor. 3.16.17 ye are the temple of God and the temple of God is holy which temple ye are Rev. 21.3 the Tabernacle of God is with men and he will dwell with them and who are of God this witness and witness against thee and know t●ee to be without God in the world who imagines God to be one where and his Spirit another where when as God is a Spirit and the Spirit Ioh. 4.24 2. Cor. 3.17 whosoever confesses in truth that Jesus is the Son of God God dwelleth in him and he in God 1 Iohn 4.15 26. He said no man while he is upon earth is in the Kingdom and that the chiefe of Saints have but by promise I answer thou art a bundle of lies and what hast thou to do to meddle with the Saints or talke of their inheritance who art prophane Esau selling thy birth-right for the earth who contrary to the light acts so a child of disobedience art thy fruits make thee manifest and with Iacob thou hast no inheritance who said he was a Minister of the Spirit he also said that they were translated into the Kingdom of his deare Son Col. 1.13 and the Saints were raised up and set together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus Ephes 2.6 and if any come to know the life of the holy men of God and beare witness to their conditions thou spreads thy armes abrode crying out of blasphemy heresie damnable doctrines so might thou have said of them who gave out the Scripture which was given to be fulfilled not for a heard of swine to feed on what hast thou to do to talke of the Saints who armes thy selfe with arguments against such as grow up in the life which translated them into the Kingdom so be a witness against thy selfe that thou art out of the Kingdom which is a Kingdom of light and by the light art found out among the Cocatrices Night-birds Cormorants Bitterns Owls Ravens Dragons Wildebeasts Satyrs Vulturs Scritch-owls ownthy mates who art pleading against possessing the Kingdom 27. He said no man upon earth sees Christ he said he had not seen Christ and when I asked him if he had seen God he cryed out of blasphemy I answer here thou art a witness against thy selfe that thou art one of them who hast eies but sees not Math. 13.15 Moses saw God Exo. 33.11.23 and death reigns till Moses so in thee death reignes so what hast thou to profess Abraham saw the day of the Son of man and was glad Iohn 8 56. and God appeared unto him and talked with him Gen.
Jam 3.27 1 Cor. 1.30 who is of God Christ is their wisdom and he is perfect in the least measure so here thou hast uttered blasphemy if thou knew it the Beast that opens his mouth in blasphemy against God his Tabernacle and them that dwell in Heaven into the lake must go Rev. 13.6 19. Matthew Caffyn said the Scripture was the Touchstone to try spirits withall I answer That is another lie the Scripture is not the tryer of spirits to try the living by the dead that I deny the Saints have salt in themselves to savour withall and their own every vvhere they relish and know but the contrary they deny the spirits of the Prophets are subject to the Prophets 1 Cor. 4.32 and this spirit owns it self over all this discerned and knew them vvho used their tongue saying the Lord saith vvhen as they had nothing but the letter Jer. 23. discerning of spirits vvas and is a gift of the spirit 1 Cor. 12.10 Novv thou sayes the Scripture must try spirits 1 Cor. 2.10 The spirit searches all things 1 John 2.20 ye have an unction from the holy one and knovve all things and by this unction they discerned Antichrists Deceivers false Prophets Hereticks and deluders and not by the letter vvithout and by this spirit did Paul discern such as had the form but not the povver 2 Tim. 3.5 and I vvill come shortly saith Paul and vvill knovv not the speech of them that are puffed up but the povver 1 Cor. 4.19 The day declares every mans vvork 1 Cor. 3.11.12 13. Mal. 3.16 17 18. In the day vvhen the Jevvels are making up and in the day is the discerning betvveen the vvicked and the righteous him that serves God and him that serves him not but this is by vertue of the day and not by the letter vvithout The sheep knovv the voice of Christ but deny to follovv a stranger John 10.4 5 and this the sheep do through the vertue of salt in them and not the letter vvithout them for a stranger may have the form and all the Scripture and there vvith deceive yet the sheep have salt to savour vvithall knovves him that uses his tongue and saith the Lord saith vvhen he hath nothing but the letter Jer. 23. and whereas John said Try the spirits whether they be of God or no. 1 John 4.1 this he spoke to them that had salt in themselves where the tryer was born they were of God and Children and a greater was in them then he that was in the world 1 John 4.4 Thou that sayes the Scripture is the Touchstone to try spirits withall tell me this how may a Minister made by the will of God be known from a Minister made by the will of man seeing a Minister made by the vvill of man may have all the Scripture the form as well as he that is by the vvill of God The Jews had Abrahams words Moses the Prophets words but they knew not Christ could not thereby discern his spirit but said he was a Samaritan and had a Devil John 8 48. and they knew not what spirit the Apostles were of but stoned Paul till they thought he had been dead Acts 14.19 Well may thou stumble at that which tries spirits who confesses thou knowes not what the tongue of the learned is Ephes 5.13 All things that are reproved are made manifest by the light what ever makes manifest is light which makes thee manifest and thy spirit which is to be reproved which light leads to the stone with seven eyes Zac. 3.9 and nothing but this discerns darkness and that which leads into darkness 20. He said the Law without man is that which convinces man of sin I answer that is another lie for Christ is the true light which lighteth every man that comes into the world Iohn 1.9 which sight is in man and he that doth evil hates it yet it reproves him and convinces him of sin and shewes him his deeds are evil who acts evil Iohn 3.19.20 21. this is given to the ends of the earth and leaves them without excuse who have not the Law without in that it shewes them evil and sin which is darkness Isay 49.6 Rom. 2.14.15 16. Ephes 5.13 as many as sin without the Law shall also perish without Law Rom. 2.12 and in Rom. 4.15 he saith where there is no Law there is no transgression and Rom. 3.20 by the Law is the knowledge of sin now read these Scriptures he tells of some that are without the Law and he saith moreover that where there is no Law there is no transgression So by consequence these are no sinners who are without the Law yet he saith As many as sin without the Law So that I say though they have not a Law without yet have they so much within as lets them see evil and secretly moves to turn from evil and this leaves them without excuse Rom. 1.19 And Paul had the Law without and as touching it was blameless and was alive in the flesh and saith he was without the Law so by the outward the letter he did not see him elf but when his eye was opened which had been blinded the spiritual Law then sin appeared and he died Rom. 7.9.14.12 verses and Iohn 16.8 it is the spirit which convinces the world of sin which in measure hath appeared to all men 1 Cor. 12.7 Tit. 2.11 12. and Isay 42.6 He is given a Covenant to Israel but a light to the Gentile 21. He said God and Christ was two I answer that is a lie and thou gainsayes Christ who said I and my Father are one Iohn 10.30 and Iohn 17.11 that they may be one as we are and that they may be one even as we are one Iohn 17.22 This Doctrine thy fore-fathers could not bear even the Jews who had the Letter but stumbled at the stumbling-stone and stoned him Iohn 10.31 and the rage envy and bitterness that lodges in thy heart and the swelling cruel words that from thee have proceeded sufficiently make known where thou art let that in thy own conscience witness thou knowes not him who is one with the Father but sets the Father in one place and the Son in another and changes the glory of the incorruptible God into an Image made like unto corruptible man Rom. 1.23 the Virgins birth thou knowes not which is Emmanuel God with us Mat. 1.23 22. He said he shall see God with his eyes which be carnall often pointing at them with his fingers alledging that of Iob Iob 19.25 26 27. I answ let all who know God in the least measure judge if thou be one of them who art changing the glory of the incorruptible God into an Image made like unto corruptible man who is telling of seeing God who is a spirit and invisible with carnall naturall eyes thou Image-maker what dost thou imagine God to be like who art doting and dreaming of seeing God who is a spirit with thy carnall