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A16958 Certayne questions concerning 1. Silk, or vvool, in the high priests ephod. 2. Idol temples, commonly called churches. 3. The forme of prayer, commonly called the Lords prayer. 4. Excommunication, &c. Handled betvveen Mr Hugh Broughton remayning of late at Amsterdam in the Low contreyes. and Mr Henry Ainsvvorth teacher of the exiled English Church at Amsterdam aforesayd. Broughton, Hugh, 1549-1612.; Ainsworth, Henry, 1571-1622? aut; Blackwell, Francis, fl. 1605. 1605 (1605) STC 3848; ESTC S106726 36,807 44

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right by them erected And for the former I refer you to the scripture which cōdemneth the antichristian worship for idolatrie and worship of divils and maketh Babylon the habitation of divils and hath forbidden vs al manner communion and fellowship with divils or idols or reteyning vsing any monuments of their abomination and draweth their places within this compasse as vvel as their altars images and vvarranteth vs not by any lavv or example of the Prophets or Apostles to vse such idol howses for Gods worship which ar appropriat to the worship of Satā a part of his childrēs devotion It remayneth then vpon you to justify the vse of these Massehouses to discover our error if such it be that reprove condemne them Touching praier we hold it to be a powring out of the hart before God by making requests or giving of thancks according to the present need occasiō through the help working of the Holy ghost which God hath shed into the harts of al his children We find that al the holy men of God vsed thus to pray in the spirit without reading or saying by rote any number of words have plentiful examples herof in Abrahā Isaak Israel Moses Iosua David Solomon with many other Saincts We find it promised that at Christs coming the spirit should be more plentifully powred vpon the church even the spirit of grace of supplications which he graciously performed both by doctrine spiritual gifts wherwith he furnished his disciples who accordingly prayed not with prescript words but with such as the spirit gav them to vtter God preparing their hart bending his ear According to these rules examples in scripture we offer vp our prayers in faith acknowledging that forme caled the Lords prayer to be a most perfect patterne given for our instruction that it is lawful and good to vse any of those or other words of scripture fitly applied to our present purpose This yow profanely cal our befooling of saying the Lords prayer and like not as it seemeth of such praying but would bind vs to the saying over of those very words without shewing any proof by doctrine or example for that you say save that you mentiō onely th'expresse commaundement As if we might vnderstand any commaundement contrary to the Analogie of faith whole tenour of the scriptures It is the true meaning of Gods oracles that must be regarded Otherwise we know the Papists hav as expresse words in shew for their real presence in the Sacrament think they hav as good warrant from Luk. 1.48 to say the Ave Maria as you for the Pater noster But if you wil needs vnderstand require a pronouncing of those words in praying seing the commaundement is general for al times persons you must first cast away your own popish leitourgies wher you teach men to say other words by which you check the Lord Iesus his spirit taking vpon you to giv lawes formes for prayer other then his Testament alloweth You may as wel reduce preaching to the reading over of the 10. commaundements as praying to the reading of Our father And as your prescript leitourgies so your conceiving of prayers otherwise at your sermons other times sufficiently refuteth your own doctrine You shal do wel therfore better to approve of your own doings to convince ours by the word of Christ before you perswade people to your custome speak evil of the way of truth with such bitternes For our excommunication I answer 1. That my self alone never excommunicated any but togither with the church wherof I am in the name by the power of Christ who hath given vs this charge and authoritie to cast out from amongst vs al wicked persons This hav we done to divers and God hath confirmed it in heaven we hav seen it with comfort in the conversion of many hardning of others that they hav grown worse worse 2. And wher you charge vs with excōmunicating for baptising in the Dutch church we in deed mislike the faults that are in this Dutch church about baptisme wil not suffer our members that hav ioyned in covenant with vs to run into those iniquities or partake with them though we have not hitherto cast out any for this particular you mention but for other transgressions that deserv cutting of as we by Gods word ar ready to prove But if you wil take vpon you to defend the corruptiōs of this Dutch church in baptizing the children of them that ar of no church their other transgressions in their constitution goverment vvorship c. wherof we hav admonished their overseers and which things ar published in our answer to Mr Iuni●● and ar neyther amended among them nor approved by him or themselves we ar willing to hear what you can say vvhen you hav iustified them by Gods word then may you iustly blame vs for condemning them But more cause hav you to look to your ovvn practise about excommunication th●n thus to revile vs. You gav out the curse Maranatha against your right reverend Father in God Iohn VVhitgift Archb. of Cant. and vainly boast that you killed him Who hath committed that censure vnto you by vvhat authority proceeded you against him Ar the keyes of the kingdome of heaven put into your hands alone and vvil you take vnto you papal povver Vnlesse you can approve of your actions by the lavv of God it vvil be found that your self are the wicked excommunicatour You cal me a blasphemer of the Christians their church I require proof of your accusation shew in vvhat vvords or vvriting I hav blasphemed any Christian if you can not bethink you vvhat vvilbe the revvard of lying lips Hovv vaine is your religion that refreyn not your tongue but let it loose vnto such vituperie and despite taunting disdeighning them that never did you evil tvviting other learned men that hav so vvel deserved of the church by their vvritings exspecting thanks you vvote not for vvhat affecting popular prayse Knovv you not that God resisteth the provvd giveth grace to the humble Hovv contrary ar you to Christ vvho received not prayse of men hovv can you beleev aright in him vvhich seek honor of men not the honor vvhich cometh of God alone And for your persecuting of this poor church of Christ making vs the mark for your sharp arrowes thincking because we ar despised of the world that you also may tread vs vnder your feet be sure the Lord wil bring yovv vnto judgement As for me I never expected honor from yow I know the vpright of way is abomination to the wicked I account it my honor to bear evil mens reproch The best glorie of my studie is to know Christ him crucified to be