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A85049	A true relation of a dispute between Francis Fullwood minister of West-Alrington in the county of Devon, and one Thomas Salt-House, as 'tis said, of the county of Westmerland: before the congregation of them, called, Quakers; with some others that accidentally heard thereof: in the house of Henry Pollexsen, Esq; in the said parish of West-Alrington. On Tuesday the 24th day of October 1656. / Published by some that were present at the dispute; out of a single and sincere desire, that error may be shames, and the truth cleared. Together with an answer to James Godfries queries, by the said F.F.	Fullwood, Francis, d. 1693.	1656 (1656)	Wing F2520; Thomason E892_12; ESTC R206561	22,146	38

manifest in them Some do know the truth that do not walk in the truth but Christ is not in those that are unto every good work reprobate and do not walk in the truth Those that know their Masters will know the truth but those that know their Masters will may not do it 2. Some may know the truth and may have Christ in them and yet not know that he is in them If Christ as you falsly conceive be in every man and some men as this querie supposeth know not Christ manifest in them then Christ is in some men that know not Christ manifest in them And yet such may know the truth and beleeve in the truth and in Christ himself and yet not know that Christ is in them or that they are in Christ the case of many doubting broken hearts The Counter Queries hence arising 1. Whether there be no truth but Christ or whether there be no truth of Christ but Christ manifest within us 2. Whether Christ crucified or Christ ascinded or Christ interceding at the Fathers right hand be not truths or whether thus Christ be not without us 3. Or whether Christ be a mediator advocate and sufferer for us within us or as manifest within us only 4. Whether is the imputed merit and righteousness of Christ a truth or not or wrought within us only and not without us 5. Whether that light which is in every man be Christ or not if it be whether is Christ manifest in every man or not and then whether can any be ignorant of the truth in whom Christ is manifest if not where is the ground of this Question speak plainly without ambiguity or double dealing The Quakers fourth Querie Is there any other Christ the same yesterday to day and for ever and are not they reprobates that this Christ is not in The plain Answer There is no other Christ but he that died for our sins according to the Scriptures the same yesterday to day and for ever and they are reprobates that this Christ is not in Yet Christ is another then what he is as manifest in us 1. He is the second Person in the Trinity and as such he is not manifest within us he is within us in his Spirit who is said in Scripture to be sent into us by the Son as well as by the Father which is the holy Ghost distinct in person to the Father and Son therefore we read of three that beare record Mat. 28. in Heaven the Father the Word and the Spirit and the Word with the Father is said to bear record in Heaven only but the Spirit both in Heaven and earth 2. Christ is man also and as such he is not manifest in us for as man he is only in one place viz. in Heaven thus he was seen on earth thus he suffered under Pontius Pilate was crucified dead and buried and rose again the third day thus he ascended up into the Heavens which are appointed to contain Act. 3. him untill the restitution of all things To say that Christ is in every man is to contradict the Scripture mentioned which saith he is not in reprobates And to say Christ is in every man and yet to acknowledge he is not in reprobates is to contradict your selves Counter-Queries arising from this fourth Query 1. Whether hath Christ any humane body out of his Church Or whether hath he a real body in Heaven or in Heaven onely 2. Is Christ any other than what he is as manifest in man Or did he suffer and die being out of all other men for our 1 Cor. 15. 1 2 3 4. sins according to the Scriptures 3. Had Christ the same body in the daies of Abraham that he had in the daies of Herod Answer plainly by the Scriptures The Quakers 5th Query How and by what couldst thou have known there had been a Christ and a Saviour and a Mediatour if the Scripture had not spoken of them Answer or let thy silence acknowledge thy ignorance or natural knowledge The plain Answer Unless the Scripture had spoken of Christ I could not have known that there had been any such Saviour but by the revelation of God Angels or men Yet neither Angels nor men could have revealed it to me unless God the Father Son and Holy Ghost had first made it known unto them So great 1 Pet. 1. a Mistery is God manifested in the flesh Thus Christ was at first revealed by God himself otherwise he had never been known which revelation being now written by holy men of God moved by the Holy Ghost is become Scripture the onely ordinary way of making known unto men this Jesus Christ without special revelation Therefore those that would now attain to the knowledge of Christ must search the Scriptures for they are they that testifie of Christ Natural light cannot discover him neither may we expect new revelation seeing the old is acknowledged to be sufficient The Counter-Queries arising from this 5th Query 1. Whether the light which is in every man is able to discover Christ the Saviour without the help of Scriptures 2. Whether Angels have not as much natural light as men And why then do they look down into the Church for the knowledge of the Mistery of Christ 3. Whether Christ Saviour and Mediatour be different persons If not why then do you speak of them 4 Seeing nothing but God by his own word could reveale this Christ Whether the Scripture which onely speaks of Christ be not the Word of God Let not your silence acknowledge your ignorance or your Answer your error in so great concernments The Quakers 6 and 7 Questions Hast thou the Spirit of Christ yea or nay Is the hope that is in thee Christ yea or nay I choose rather to leave these two Questions for Mr Pitts his own plain Answer The Counter-Queries hence arising 1. Whether those that have the true light shining in their hearts have not the Spirit of Christ And whether all have not this true light shining in their hearts And then whether all have not the Spirit of Christ And then is it not strange if Mr Pitt want it 2. Whether all that have the Spirit of Christ be not Christs 3. Whether Christ and hope be all one If so whether hope died for our sins according to the Scriptures Whether hope be in Heaven contrary to 1 Cor. 13. Or Christ be not in Heaven contrary to Act. 3. 21. The Quakers 8th Query Whether Christ and his Apostles meant as they spake Or whether they left their words for Learned men to give another interpretation of their words Yea or nay The plain Answer Christ and his Apostles mean as they spake they left not their words for Learned-men to give another interpretation of them Yet in their words there are some things hard to be understood which learned and stable men alone can give the true interpretation of seeing men unlearned and unstable wrest the Scripture

am that the Papasts give you their doctrine and send you abroad to deliver it Man Quak. So then thou doest not think we are Papists Full. No truly But I beleeve you are deluded by them and used to manage their desparate and hellish designs But let me proceed to demand of you satisfaction in one thing seeing my present liberty goeth no farther 't is this Pray how do you prove that the Ministry of England preacheth another Gospel than that which Paul preached for that was one of the marks of the false prophets as you charge the Ministry of England to be and which I am here to challenge you to make good viz. that we preach another Gospel than that which Paul preached Quak. Who said thou wast a false prophet thou appliest it to thy self Full. Then am I a false prophet or not Quak. I did not say thou wast Full. But did not you mean the Ministry of England in your marks of false prophets Quae. I own a Ministry I own a Ministry in England for all thou saist I deny it One of the Company We do all understand that by false prophets he means the publick Ministry Full. I challenge him then to prove if he can that we preach another Gospel than that which Paul preached Qua. So I will Paul had his Gospel not of man nor by man but from God but thou hast thy Gospel by man Full. We attain to the Gospel another way than Paul did therefore our Gospel is another Gospel this I utterly deny prove this if you can that our different manner of receiving the Gospel doth render it another Gospel Qua. Doth not Paul say that he was an Apostle not of man nor by man but by the revelation of Christ Jesus and then tells us if any man preach another Gospel c. Full. But prove if you can that the manner of receiving did thus make it another Gospel Yea good people mark for in this his own text his argument is utterly ruined Gal. 1. 8 9. Though an Angel from heaven preach any other Gospel than that which I have preached or than that which you have received let him be accursed Observe 't is the same Gospel that Paul preached and that they received by his preaching Yet Paul as was said received this same Gospel immediatly from God and these Galatians from man from Pauls preaching therefore you may easily perceive that the d●fferent manner of giving or receiving the Gospel doth not make another Gospel the same Gospel is received by them from Paul which Paul received by the revelation of Jesus Christ Quak. But didst thou receive the Gospel as Paul did Full. I receive the Gospel from Paul as these Galatians did even from the same writings of Paul and they received the same from Paul which he received from God and therefore we receive the same Gospel which Paul did receive from the hands of God himself which Gospel we preach and not another The Company This is plain enough Go on to something else Quak. But thou preachest for Hire Full. I shall answer that anon but first do you prove that I preach another Gospel than Paul preached Quak. Thou preachest for Hire the Prophets prophesie falsly the Priests bear rule by their means we preach for nothing Full. Come come Sir You have told us that what you deliver you have by revelation from Heaven wherein I tell you you blaspheme the Lord Did God send you with lies and slanders to rail and reproach c Quak Did I slander thee wherein Full. You have slandered the Ministers in many things to name but one you have said to the people that the false prophets meaning us in the Ministry deny the light that is in all men Quak. Doest not thou say that there is no light in every man Full. No nor I beleeve any Minister in England The Company Then herein you are agreed Full. So far we are yet lest I should be misunderstood I shall shew wherein we differ about this light which is in every man We hold that this light is not of it self sufficient to lead men to salvation you as I conceive hold that it is sufficient to salvation Quak. Away with thy meanings and conceivings the word of God is not of any private interpretation Full. Stay friend I have a word of exhortation Wherefore according to a passage in your discourse you are bound to hold your peace Qua. Speak then Full. My discourse shall be grounded upon those known words Joh. 1. The true light which enlighteneth every man which cometh into the world This light is by severall parties taken in three severall senses yet it will appear that in neither of these it is sufficient to salvation Qua. He is at his senses and meanings again First Some take this light to be the relicks of that naturall knowledg which the goodness of God hath left and kept in man since the fall Now we grant that thus all men are enlightned yet it is very evident that all men are not savingly enlightened hereby for the Scripture witnesseth that some men have no such light in them namely such as speak not according to Isa 8. 20. this law and testimony of the word of God and notwithstanding this common light the Gentiles sate in darkness and in the shadow of death Secondly Others may suppose that every man is enlightened by Christ as Mediatour that all the light that is in men was purchased for them by the death of Christ and is wrought in them by the common influence of his spirit upon the world and thus they say Christ enlighteneth every man that cometh into the world Now should we admit this sense of the words yet this light as it is in every man will be found in Scripture to be onely common and not saving or not sufficient to salvation for yet notwithstanding the purchase and coming of Christ the Gentiles have their understandings darkned Eph. 4. And though it should be granted that this common light doth convince men of sin yet it doth not convince men of righteousness and judgment and therefore it is sufficient to leave men inexcusable but it is not sufficient to lead them to salvation Further Though it should be granted that this light might be called the Spirit of Christ if it be the effect thereof yet it is still denied that this operation of the spirit which is common to all is sufficient to salvation not but that the same spirit is sufficient but yet this operation of the spirit to convince of sin is not sufficient 3. Lastly Others do interpret this enlightning in the text to be the means of enlightning namely the Gospel-dispensation which the coming of Christ brought more eminently and universally into the world he being the first preacher of the Gospel in this sense Heb. 2. 3. Here I pitch for thus there is a light set upon an hill shining forth and offering it self to enlighten every man that comes

into the world and the onely means of enlightening all that are enlightned to salvation in the world Paralell with that known place The grace which hath appeared unto all men teaching them not that all are effectually taught thereby yet it is still teaching them as a means i. e. offering to teach them the way to salvation whereby Christ indeed hath made a way and fixed a means which is sufficient as a means to enlighten every man that cometh into the world and thus he may be said to enlighten every man that cometh into the world Now the text taken in this sense 't is evident that all are not effectually enlightened hereby all do not embrace and possesse this light all do not receive it and see in it or yeeld themselves to be savingly enlightened by it the very text tells us that the light shined in darkness and the darkness comprehended it not to some the Gospel is hid and Christ is not in reprobates Joh. 1. 2 Cor. 4. 2 Cor. 13. Thus take the text in which sense you will yet we must conclude that that light which is in every man is not a saving light or sufficient to salvation Qua. Mark people He saith the Spirit doth not convince of righteousness and judgment Full. Pray speak the truth I said if you take the text in the second sense which I do not yet the Spirit doth not convince all of righteousness whom it doth convince of sin or the same Spirit may be said to convince some of sin onely and others both of sin righteousness and judgment Qua. Then people he would perswade us that the same Spirit doth not convince of sin righteousness and judgment Full. Cannot you speak two words true I say the same operation of the Spirit doth not convince of sin and righteousness and judgment so that he doth sometimes convince of sin onely and sometimes of sin righteousness and judgment Qua. Turn to the Text I will send the Comforter and he shall convince the world of sin and righteousness and judgment Again Even the Spirit of truth whom the world cannot receive ye know him and he dwelleth with you c. Full. From these two Texts brought by your self for the contrary I shall undertake to prove above all contradiction that the Spirit in this saving sense is not in every man yea that the Spirit as a Comforter reprover of sin righteousness and judgment and as a Spirit of truth is not in every man which one would think should put an utter end unto this part of the controversie This Text Joh. 14. 16 17. saith expresly that the Comforter the Spirit of truth which is promised to be with and dwell in the Disciples the world cannot receive because it seeth him not neither knoweth him Qua. Canst thou prove that ever any one had so much light as to convince him of sinne and yet that light was not saving Full. Yes that I can Judas was convinced of his great wickedness in betraying of Christ yet Judas had not saving light Qua. But is not that light which convinceth of sin if improved sufficient to salvation Full. Prove that Qua. Nay do thou prove it is not Full. I will There is no meanes sufficient to salvation but what Scripture asserts to be so But now we do not find in Scripture that the light sufficient to convince of sin if improved by us is sufficient to salvation if we do shew it Some of the company did not like the Argument but neither they nor the Quaker himself said any thing at all in answer thereunto Quak. But now answer thou my question Is that a lawfull Ministry that takes Hire for preaching Full. He may be a lawfull Minister which takes Hire prove the contrary if you can Qua. The false Prophets prophesie for reward and preach for Hire Full. Pray observe is there no difference betwixt taking Hire and preaching meerly for Hire or Hires sake The true Priests in the time of the Law had the Hire of Tithes appointed by God himself were they therefore false Prophets Qua. Doest thou take Hire or no Full. If I do I have Scripture for it the Labourer is worthy of his Hire However you are to prove that I preach for Hire or meerly for the sake of Hire Qua. See he hath acknowledged himself to be a Hireling and that he preacheth for Hire therefore he is a false Prophet c. Full. Did you come from God with these slanders I say I am no Hireling I say I do not preach for Hire though I have a maintenance in liew of preaching Good people you see I am enforced unto it pray give me leave to magnifie my Office a little and I shall easily prove that I am no Hireling A Hireling is one that works meerly for his wages and doth no more work than he is hired to do What say you is he not Qua. Yea. Full. Then I shall prove I am no Hireling Qua. Doest thou do more work then thou art hired to do Full. Yes I do Besides my preaching twice every Lords day which is all I am bound by man unto I Catechize I expound upon some part of Scripture I desire particular conference with my people for their instruction in order to the Sacrament I visit the sick I preach my turn at some Lectures And lastly I have begun to go and teach from house to house which I intend through the Lords assistance to go through withall And all this is more than I have Maintenance from man for Yea you are all my witnesses this day that I am here Hun●ing the Wolfe is not flying from him as the Hireling doth Joh. 50. doing more then I am bound to do or can expect any reward from man for Ye all know I might now have been quiet in my study at home and that I could likely expect nothing here but what you see I here find trouble rayling and reviling for this labour of my love to the souls of my poor people that if possible I might save them out of the hands of such deceivers and seducers Qua. Then thou acknowledgest thou preachest twice a day for Hire Behold people then he is so far an Hireling onely he hath said all this that you might think you are beholding to him Full. I am yet no Hireling prove if you can that I preach twice a day meerly for my maintenance though I am indeed thereby oblged thereunto I preach for the glory of God and my peoples salvation You cannot say I preach for Hire unless you could see my heart without uncharitableness and bearing false witness against me Besides I seriously profess in the presence of God and before you all that as I do more work than man can require so had I no reward from man at all yet I would preach I hope so long as I have a tongue to speak Quak. O people pray try him see whether he will preach for nothing my advice to you all