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A37176	Good counsells for the peace of reformed churches by some reverend and learned bishops and other divines ; translated out of Latine.	Dury, John, 1596-1680.; Davenant, John, ca. 1572-1641.; Morton, Thomas, 1564-1659.; Hall, Joseph, 1574-1656.; Ussher, James, 1581-1656.	1641 (1641)	Wing D319; ESTC R15642	50,356	151

it good and as much as in him lay he did procure and effect it All this was but duty in him to doe and can it be lesse then dutie in us And here I should but trifle away the time should I goe about to play the Oratour and expresse at large to the Germane Churches the blessings that accompany Peace Unitie the many miseries calamities of a long-continued Schisme and Division That speech of Prudentius is a most certaine trueth scissura domestica turbat Rem populi titubatque foris quod dissidit intùs civill and intestine broiles alwaies prove the undoing of a people nor doe things ever goe right abroad when there is dissention at home What may make most for the good and advantage of their Churches let it be their care to consider and resolve this with themselves that what ever it be it is not onely to be sought after with their prayers but with the utmost diligence and endeavours of every one of them in particular Neither let any unexperienced men amongst them thinke or hope that they shall ingratiate themselves with Papists and so live more peaceably by them and suffer lesse harme from them by refusing to enter into freindship and fellowship with Calvinists as they terme them What is to be hoped for expected from them we may learne from Osiander Papists saith he spare neither Lutherans nor Zuinglians but condemne both of them to fire and faggot in all those places where the Pope that raging and ravenous beast of Rome beare's rule and sway They that are most in favour with them can at best but hope for that kindnesse from them which Vlysses in Homer obtained of Polyphemus {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} to be devoured last after he had lookt on and seene all his freinds and companions devoured before him They will perhaps destroy the Calvinists first but the Lutherans must look to follow after them none are like to escape in the end if once the Papists have them at their mercy What hitherto hath been said is to show that a Communion and Reconciliation of the Germane Churches is a thing not only possible but in obedience to Gods commandement a necessary duty It now remaine's that J proceed to set downe the way and meanes whereby such a Reconciliation may be compassed and the rents and distractions of the said Churches may with most conveniencie and speed bee made up which I shall doe rather to testifie that vehement desire zeale which I have to so good a work than out of any opinion that those famous Churches which alwaies have abounded with store of learned and pious Divines can any way stand in need of advice herein from me or any other forraigne Divine whatsoever Seeing therefore that the fore-mentioned Controversies may be agitated either betwixt severall and distinct Churches whereof one is no way subordinate to the other or else betwixt such particular men as are members of the same Church and subjects to one the same Prince J will speak first of divers Churches independent one upon another and afterwards of particular men in one the same Church and show how Peace and Unitie may be made and preserved amongst them For the first I conceive there 's no readier and better way for reducing of two different Churches to the same Communion than is that usuall one of procuring a faire and peaceable Conference amongst Divines of both sides authorised and appointed thereunto by their Princes For if any one imagine that a Councell being once held of all the Reformed Churches there will out of hand within the compasse of some few moneths or yeares yea or in one age an end be put to all disputes whatsoever which have of a long time troubled and busied the Learned so as that they shall all joyne and agree in the same opinion about all such points of controversie this with submission to better judgements seemes to me very unlikely For so dull and dim-sighted is the eye of our understanding that it can hardly peirce into the depth of such subtle and intricate Questions no not when it is alone free and undisturbed in it's contemplations but being distracted by the stirs tumults of disputation so far unable are we to penetrate into the quick of them that many times we cannot so much as discerne and perceive them no not when we look upon them with a fixt and steddy eye And to speak plainly what I conceive in this matter the cheife use of Councells especially of Generall Councells is to maintaine and defend those necessary and plaine points of Faith against the oppositions of Hereticks rather than to discusse or determine nice controversies of lesser moment and use To returne then to that faire freindly Conference which but now I commended for the likeliest and fittest meanes of obtaining an Union if it could be undertaken with such an intention mannaged in such sort as it ought to be wee have good cause to hope that we shall in a short time see a blessed Peace and Union established amongst the Germane Churches This therefore must carefully be remēbred by all such as shall be present parties to such a Meeting that the end why they are called together is not that like Adversaries they should strive for the mastery but rather that they should like Brethren search out and make use of all lawfull and warrantable meanes for the setling of Peace and Unitie For if once they fall a crossing and contending one with another they will never be able to perswade much lesse to procure any agreement betwixt such Churches as are at ods and opposition Let them therefore carefully keep off and forbeare to enter the intricate Labyrinths of ordinary disputes let their meeting aime at this one end to make it appeare to their Churches how that there 's no just cause why they should any longer stand out and refuse to joyne hands and be united To effect this let it in the first place be set downe how farre the Church Catholike hath declared herselfe in each Controversie what hath been by her defined and required to be beleived generally by all sub Anathemate For about points fundamentall there may sometimes arise such doubts and disputes as are no way fundamentall and such as that the ancient Fathers of the Church had they been raised in their times would never have attempted a decision of them to the hazard of breeding or fostering a Schisme betwixt severall Churches For instance that God is One in Essence and Three in Persons distinguished one from another that the Sonne is begotten of the Father that the holy Ghost is the Spirit of both Father and Sonne that these three Persons are coeternall and coequall all these are fitly determined and reckoned in the number of Fundamentalls but now if any man should peremptorily affirme and maintaine that all those Schoole-nicities touching the manner of the Sonne

Christ approve of the Augustane Confession Hierome Zanchy hath a desire to bring in his verdict too (b) I professe saith hee that as often as I had occasion to speake any thing about this Point I did alwaies containe my selfe within the compasse of these three heads the first whereof is that in the Lord's Supper not onely bread and wine but the very body and blood of our Lord is truely offered us by Christ and likewise truely received truely eaten and drunke by us The second but this is done not by the mouth and teeth of our body but by a true and an actuall faith The last that therefore this is done by beleivers onely and by none others Now these heads are taken out of God's word nor are they repugnant to the Augustine Confession These things being so those worthy men have the more reason to be treated by us that besides the said Augustine Confession which was anciently framed and ordained to be the common rule of Faith for all Protestants whereby they might be distinguished from Papists they would not obtrude upon us any other private Opinions of their own to the hinderance of the publike Peace A second Principle of the like nature which even Reason it selfe doth dictate is this that no Antecedent is to be urged and pressed the necessary consequent and sequell whereof may not bee granted by us But now it is well knowne that Luther to remove out of the way the perill of Idolatry did abolish all (a) worshipping at the celebration of the Eucharist which had formerly been practised and for the same end he abolisht the elevation of the host also that (b) Brentius likewise did with much earnestnesse oppose their Br●●den God for so hee himselfe terme's it lastly that (c) Melanchthon did reject their Bread-worship in the Lord's Supper Those godly and learned men therefore are to be entreated that they would well weigh with themselves whether or no these same abuses which They with so great applause cryed down and abhorred be not for all that the genuine ofspring of that Vbiquity which at this day is maintained by them Thirdly least any man haply should pretend that no whit is to bee 〈◊〉 of that bitternesse and rigour where with at first they exercised the patience of Oecolampadius and Zuinglius they are againe to be intreated that in their great wisedomes they would herein take notice of a vast difference Ananias in the ninth of the Acts when first he was warned in a Vision to put his hands upon Saul he was somewhat unwilling to doe it I have heard saith he by many of this man c. but afterwards having better understood the counsell and purpose of God he gladly embrace's him saying Brother Saul the Lord hath sent mee unto thee The very same might have been heretofore observed in the carriage of Luther himselfe towards Zuinglius and Oecolampadius whom at first hee fell upon roughly when he heard that they held there was nothing in the Eucharist save only bare signes and figures but afterwards having further examined their meaning he kindly courteously reacht out the right hand of fellowship unto them After the very same manner did Calvin likewise stand affected towards them as he himselfe confesseth when at my first entrance saith hee into the cleare sun-shine of the Gospell out of Popish darknes I read in Luther how that Oecolampadius and Zuinglius would admit of nothing in the Sacraments but bare and empty figures this I confesse so farre possest me with a prejudice against their writings that I refrained a long time from reading them Thus spoke Calvin at that time of those men whom notwithstanding he afterwards had in great love and familiarity with him Why may not then the Saxon Divines be pleased to show themselves Luthers towards us so long as they finde us not inferiour to Oecolampadius and Zuinglius in this Point The third THESIS That this freindly Vnion and Reconcilement we wish for is very necessary for all men whether of a milde or turbulent disposition IT is not my purpose to lash out into Common places wherein much paines might be spent and litle or no benefit got by it It behoves me rather to provide me of such arguments as may not coldly beg and intreat but command and as it were violently compell men to live at peace and unity amongst themselves Neither are there any as you well know fitter for the setling and confirming of such a Communion than are those which are drawne from the common joy or greife the common danger or the common good advantage of both sides There 's not a more evident and infallible signe of a true member of Christ than to compassionate or to have a fellow-feeling one of another which is seene especially in two things first in rejoycing at the hopes of a Reconciliation such as was the Psalmist's joy in that divine acclamation of his at the unity of Brethren ô how good and joyfull a thing it is Secondly a sorrow of heart at so long and wearisome a dissention such as the Jewes expressed by their great thoughts of heart for the divisions of Reuben Schisme growing and getting upon the Church at Corinth the Apostle exhort's them to bee {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} perfectly joyned together in the same minde and in the same judgement the word is derived frō {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} which amongst Physitions signifies to set right againe such members as are out of joynt The same Apostle that he might compose and setle the mindes of the Philippians ô what a sacred charme doe's he make use of If saith he there be any consolation in Christ if any comfort of love if any fellowship of the spirit if any bowells of mercies fulfill my joy But how may they doe that He goes on that yee be like minded having the same love {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} being of one accord of one mind I verily beleive that Eloquence her selfe if she had a tongue to speake she could not have spoke more emphatically where each word is a sharp dart peircing and wounding our very hearts and soules I will adde onely that long chaine of Vnities in the same Apostle to the Ephesians one body one spirit one hope one calling one Lord one Faith one Baptisme one God and Father of all all which make for that one thing which he there aime's at to wit that the Ephesians should endeavour to keep the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace As touching the danger we all of us know that the tyranny of the Romish Antichrist hang's over our heads who sweetly sing's to himselfe that blacke and fatall Maxime divide impera set them once at variance and then you may quickly master them or rather by setting them at variance you may confound and tumble them into the pit of hell for the kingdome being once divided Hell it selfe