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A14772 A briefe instruction By way of dialogue, concerninge the principall poyntes of Christian religio[n], gathered out of the holy scriptures, lathers, and councels. By the Reuere[n]de M. George Doulye priest. Warford, William, 1560-1608. 1604 (1604) STC 25068; ESTC S102696 93,570 322

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reason that in the primitiue Church for euery mortall sinne men vvere vvonte to doe penance many yeares and that novv deuotion and charity is vvaxen so cold that one man vvill sometimes cōmitt tvvēty or forty mortall sinnes in one yeare and by that accompte de serue ā 100. sometimes a 1000. yeares of penaunce excepte penances vveare shortened and pardons enlarged in this fraylty of man it vvould be harde to giue God and the Church satisfaction M. Truly so it is and more is the pitty but hereby vve see hovv iustly vvee call the Church our mother and the Pope our father seeinge they deale so gently vvith vs. But lett vs goe forvvard vvith the Creede and tell me the meaninge of the sixt Article D. The sixt article is He ascended in to heauen and sitteth on the right hand of God the father almightie VVhich ascensiō beinge full fortie dayes after his Resurrection doth so assure vs of the verity of all the mysteryes of his lyfe and passion as there can be no further doubt of them and this as the conclusion of the reste doth manifestly assure vs of the greate glorie and majestie vvhich novv he retaineth in heauen M. And vvhat meaneth it to say that Christ after his ascension sitteth on the right hand of God the father hath God the father any right hand D. No sir for he is a spirite and hath no bodie but vvhen vve say he sitteth on the right hand the meaninge is that Christ in that be is God hath the same glorie honor povver vvith his father not inferior nor superior but equall and in that he is man God the father hath giuen him more glorie honor and povver then to all the Angels and saintes in heauen M. Let vs come to the seauenth article vvhich is From thence he shall come to iudge the quicke the dead Doe you Knovve hovv this iudgment shal be D. Yea Sir for it shal be as saint Paule sayeth in greate terrour and majestye in the Voice and trumpet of an Angell at vvhat tyme the vvhole vvorld shal be destroyed vvhith fire as it vvas vvith vvater in the deluge vvhich day no man shall Knovv hovv neare or farre it is of the dead shall rise and those that are then liuinge shall presently die and sodainly rise againe to the ende they may haue their due to death At vvhich tyme shal cease dayes and nightes mariadge and merchandise and all these other things vvhich vve novv see vsed in this vvorlde M. To vvhat purpose then shall those be iudged vvhich haue alreadie in the hovvre of their death receiued their final sentence and verdicte D. For diuers causes and first because the bodie vvith the soule shall haue his iudgment of paine and glorie euerlastinge vvhich before it had not Secondly for the glorie of Christes saintes vvhich as they vveare in this vvorld persecuted and euell intreated so there they shal be in the sight of the vvhole vvorld by God glorified Thirdly for the glorie of Christe because hauing been vnjustly cōdemned of many neither Knovvne not honoured as vvas conuenient so is it good reason that there should come a day vvherin the vvhole vvorld eyther by loue or force should both Knovve him and honour him as their Kinge lord and soueraigne Fourthelie for the confusion of the proude enemies of God Lastly for the glorie of God him selfe against all Atheistes and incredulous persons vvho measuringe Gods prouidēce by their ovvne carnall desires because they see often tymes the just to be afflicted and the vvicked to lyue in prosperitie thinke that God doth not vvell gouerne this vvorld But then they shall see that all this hath been by Gods highe vvisedome and goodnesse vvherby he shall there as justly condemne the vvicked for their sinnes as he doth here in this lyfe revvarde their slender good vvorkes vvith temporall cōmodities As contraryvvise his servantes in this lyfe be punished for small offences to enriche them in the nexte for their good vvorkes vvhith an infinite treasure of glorie M. VVhat is comprised in the eyght article I beleeue in the holy ghoaste D. That the holy ghoast the thirde person of the holie Trinitye is the same God of aequall povver vvhith the father and the sonne the other tvvo persons of the blessed Trinitye And he is called the holy ghoast or spirite because all other spirites vvhether of men or Angels though neuer so holy haue of him receaued all their sanctification to vvhose goodnes are also attributed all other giftes and graces of God vvhich are reparted in the vvhole Catholique Churche M. VVhat meaneth it that the holy ghoast is painted in the forme of a doue and some times in the forme of fier and clouen tongues D. Not because the holy ghoast hath any corporall forme or shape of him selfe but to represente vnto vs in the doue the holy simplicitie puritie and zeale of those soules vvhich he replenisheth And in the fiery tongues is signified the comminge dovvne of the holy ghoast ten dayes after Christes Ascension vpon his Apostles and disciples vvhome he then filled vvhith all Kinde of Knovvledge vvhich is signified by the light of that fier vvith charitie vvhich is signified by the burninge flames of the same and thirdly vvith eloquence vvhich is signified by the fierie tongues all vvhich vvere necessarie for the publishing and propagation of his gospell M. Novv then declare vnto me the ninth article I beleeue the holy Catholique Church the communion of saintes Hovv doe you beleeue the holy Catholique Church and hovv shall vve be able to distinguishe it frō all other synagogues and heretical congregations D. I beleeue the Catholique Church as our deare louinge mother vvhich therfore vvill neuer deceive vs and credite her as Christes true spouse vvhich therfore can not erre for the vvhich also saint Paule calleth her the piller and firmament or foundatiō of truth and to vvhome our Sauiour ascendinge in to heauen promised the holy ghoast to remaine vvith her and to instruct and teache her all truth M. And vvhat signes can you giue me vvhearby I may Knovve vvhich is the Catholique Church D. Those vvhich this holy Creede and the Creede of the counsell of Nice doth put vvhich are infallible and sufficient M. VVhich are those D. These foure Vnam Sanctam The signes of the ●●●e Church Catholicam Apostolicom That is to say in English One Holy Catholique and Apostolick To the vvhich vve may adde the fifte Romanam That is the Romaine M. VVhy may not the hereticKes say the same of theyr Church also D. No for they first are not one The first signe One See Vinc. ●yrinens Tertull. Epiphan Philastr Augus Cypr. contra haereses Ephe. 4. versi 5. because they are deuided into many sects and some are Lutherans some Caluinists some Puritans some Protestantes others of the familie of loue and so forth and as Bozius de sig Eccl. recordeth in these fevve yeares since Martin Luther fled
ovvvne brayne vvhich they follovv defende and honour euen to the engaging of they re soules and hazard of aeternall damnation against all Scriptures traditions learninge and authority of all Saintes Doctors and the vvhole Church of God vvherein in deed they make a false God of theyr erroneous doctrine and priuate fancye M. Truely you haue reason for in the like sense Sainte Paul calleth couetousnes the vvorshippinge of idols because they preferre riches before God his glory but one thinge I vvoulde yet fain knovve of you for vvhat cause they vse to painte God the father like an ould Man and the Angels like younge men vvith vvinges and other garmētes for I hope you knovve that they are spirites and haue no bodies D. I knovve it very vvell but God is so painted because he so appeared in vision vnto Daniel the Prophet Dan. 7. versi 5. D. Tho. in 4. d. 48. q. 1. an 1. partely to represent Gods antiquitie aeternitie before all other thinges created And the Angels are painted in that forme before mentioned to signifie theire beautifull and vigorous nature beinge allvvaies readie prest to goe and execute vvhatsoeuer God shall commaunde them as pure immaculate ministers of his diuine Majestie M. And hovv or vvith vvhat sinnes is this commaundemente broken D. VVith many and sundry offences but especially those that are contrary to the Theologicall vertues as infidelity desperation hate of God all Atheisme heresie scisme superstitiō ydolatrie vvitchecrafte sorceries and the like vvhatsoeuer is doē by the helpe or inuocation of the deuill M. Vide Exod. 20 31 Deuter. 5. Leuit. 23. Isa 56. Hiere 12. act 20. Apoc. 1. Ignat. ad Phil. Hieron cap. 4. Galat. Aug. lib. cōt Adim c. 16. Ep. 118. 19 ser 154. Leo. Ep. 81. But vve haue sayde enough of the first commaundemente tell me hovv must vvee keepe the second D. In not svvearinge except it be vppon necessity and that vvith truth and reuerence M. So that if a man svveare a lye or doubting vvhether it be true he sinneth mortally euery tyme D. So it is if he vse deliberation for it is a greate injury to God vvho is truth it selfe to call or invocate his holy name in testimony of falshood as by suche svvearinge is done M. And vvhy say you just and necessary D. Because although it be truth if it be not lavvfull and being true and lavvfull if not necessary it is still a sinne at least veniall to svveare at all M. But if a man svveare by our Lady or other Saintes by the Crosse or any other creature as a mans soule lyfe c. by breade drinke c. shall he sinne against this commaundement D. Yes doubtles because he that svveareth by any creature calleth it to vvitnes in the truth of his creatour vvho made the same and so in effecte calleth God to vvitnesse vvhich is to svveare by him vvhich kinde of oathe is more manifeste vvhen svvearinge by any creature is added the name of God allso as for example to say by this fyre or bread of God c. M. VVhat vvordes then may a man vse to affirme any thing to be beleeued D. I vvould say in truth or for certaine truely verely c. for these ar no oathes M. But tell me are vve forbidden all so by this commaundemente of blasphemie and breache of vovves D. No doubte as vvell allso as of oathes and vovves vvherein vve promise or purpose to performe any euill thinge or sinnes against Gods holy lavv for such oathes and vovves are better broken thē kepte yea vve are bounde to breake them And the same obligation vve haue of vovves made to our Ladie and the Saintes for they be vnderstoode as made vnto God thoughe referred to the honoure and glorie of our B. Ladie other his Saintes in vvhome he dvvelleth M. But doe you vnderstand vvell vvhen a vovve is made D. Sir as I take it a vovve is not euery purpose much lesse euery desire to doe any thinge but it is allso necessary that there be made there of an expresse promise vvith the mouth or at least vvith the harte and that of a thinge vvhich is good and pleasinge to God and therefore to be vvith diligence acomplished M. You say very vvell The third Cōmaundement Exodi 20. Leuit 18.24 Deuteron 23. Ps 12.33.75 Eccli 5. Ecclesiastic 23.27.23.27 Hieremi 4. Zach. 6. Matth. 4.1 Tim. 5. Iacob 5. tell me novv hovv you must keepe the third commaundement D. Accordinge as the Church hath determined vvhich is not to doe any seruile laboure on sunday nor feastes of Saintes and to heare a vvhole masse vpon such dayes and therefore likevvise vve should spēde those dayes in prayenge readinge spirituall bookes hearinge of sermons and other vvorkes of pietie and mercie M. If on the feaste or holydaye there can be no seruile vvorcke donne hovv doe vve ringe the bells and dresse the meate and table vpon the sayde dayes for these are allso seruile vvorkes D. Sir it is true But this commaundemente is vnderstoode alvvayes vvith tvvo conditions The first if such forbidden vvorkes be not necessary vnto humaine lyfe The second if they be not necessary for Gods seruice as you see both those are that you haue named and besides these conditiōs it is lavvfull to doe seruile vvorkes vpon the sunday or feaste vvhen there is licence of the prelate and cause sufficient M. Hovv commeth it to passe tha● the Christian people doth not obserue the sabbaoth or satterdaye as the Ievves did seing● the commaundement speaketh of the sabbaoth D. Because Christ our Sauioure vvith great reason hath chaunge● and translated the sabbaoth into the sundaye or dominica● day as he did the Circumcision into Baptisme and the Pasquall lambe into the B. Sacramente and all other good thinges of the oulde testament into other better of the nevv and vvith as good reason doth the Catholike Church keepe the dominicall day in memorie that the creation of the vvorlde beganne on it as the Ievves they re sabbaoth because the sayde creation ended thereon besides that vpon the sundaye CHRIST vvas borne rose from the dead The fourth Cōmaundement Vide De●ter 5. Eccli 34. Prou. 23. Tobiae 4. Rom. 13. Ephes 6. Coloss 3.1 ad Tim. 4. Amb. lib. 5. Exameron c. 16. and sent dovvne the holy ghoast vppon the Apostles vvhich three principall benifites of our Redemption are recorded in the obseruance of the sundaye M. And the fourth hovv must vve keepe it D. By doinge our duety to our parentes and elders as vvell spirituall as temporall and obeyinge our superiour in all honest and lavvfull matters M. So that our pastours and magistrates are included in this precepte allso D. So it is though especially and principally it be spokē of our parentes to vvhom vve are bound by lavv of nature to serue and helpe in theyr necessity as on the other side there is no doubte but in vertue of the same precepte the parentes