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Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
spirit_n	father_n	know_v	truth_n	5,230	5	5.7940	4	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A18920	Errour on the right hand, through a preposterous zeale Acted by way of dialogue. Betweene 1 Mal-content and Flyer. 2 Flyer and Anabaptist. 3 Anabaptist, & Legatine-arrian. 4 Flyer and Legatine-arrian. 5 Flier, Legaine-arria[n] & Familist. 6 Flyer and Familist. 7 Flyer and Mediocritie. Whereto is also added, certaine positions touching Church and Antichrist: as without the true holding thereof, it is impossible for a zelous soule, to auoyde either schisme or faction. By Henoch Clapham.	Clapham, Henoch.	1608 (1608)	STC 5341; ESTC S118639	27,520	96

and he sayd that it was so in the Origenall but I will neuer beleeue it Flyer No sir these limmes of Antichrist are not to be beleeued Legat. ar Hold you there and I will assure you to become an excellent Diuine in short time But we are come vnto the Citie Where meane you to lodge Flyer I haue Letters to deliuer vnto some English-factors and they be to supply mee with necessaries But tell mee where I may find you to morrow morning and I will be early with you Legat. ar Harken then come thither early and there you shall haue me But by eight of the clocke I purpose to set towards Camphere a league of that is some three English myles and so I will teach you a Mysterie touching Christ which you neuer learned Flyer I thanke you sir and I will willingly attende THE FIFT DIALOGVE First betweene the Flyer and the Legatine-arrian secondly betweene the Legatine-arrian and the Familist Flyer GOod morrow sir are you setting on your iorney Legat. ar I am But I want meanes yet for conueying a Bundle of Listes Flyer Doe you then deale in Cloth-listes I haue heard that it is a very good Marchandize Well sir if they be no moe then these I can easily carry them vnder my Cloake Legat. ar I thanke you for it you shall so saue me a few Styphers Flyer I haue coucht them vnder my arme very well Let vs now set on our way And I pray you sir now discourse of the Christ as you last night promised Legat. ar I will If you marke all the limmes of Antichrist whether Papist or Protestant or Anabaptist you shall find them ignoraunt euery of them of the true Christ. The Papist and Protestant doe hold him God and Man So doth the Anabaptist but with a difference The first hold that he is very God essentially and very Man of man essentially Yet seeing the word Essentially seemeth to be deriued of the Beastes language I will rather vse the word Substantially Flyer And I thinke sir that that word sauours somewhat of Romulus for I remember that in their Latine Grammer there is Substantinum hic h●●c hoc Legat. ar O you begin to abounde with the true Spirit that will lead you into all trueth But Country-man as the Apostle could not sayle thorow the Seas but in the Shippe whose badge was the prophaine Castor and Pollux so neither can wee sayle thorow these Discourses but in wordes stamped with the Image of the Beast Flyer O most excellent Theologue I neuer obserued that comparison Legat. ar You shall heare more excellent thinges then these How the Protestant and Papist doe hold Christ wee haue learned at home Now for the Dowper that is the Anabaptist he holdeth him very God passing through the Virgins wombe as Wind through a pipe taking nothing of our nature because then he should be a sinner but bringing a bodily substance with him from Heauen whether fetcht out of the Fathers diuine substaunce or out of the Angels spirituall substaunce or out of the Heauens substaunce they know not But the very trueth is Hee is to be held a meere Man as was Peter Paul or I Onely whereas we haue the Spirit in measure and were borne in sinne hee had the Spirit beyond measure and was borne free from sinne As for the Scriptures t●arming him sometimes GOD it intendeth not his Essence but his office and you know that in such respect the Magistrate is called God And herewith all let me tell you how lately in England I gaue a Magistrate the bagge I being conuented before him he beginnes to puffe he strokes vp his forehead and then sotted out this question Syrrha doe you hold that Iesus Christ is but meere man as I or an other man is To whom I answered They abuse mee and haue abused your eares that haue reported any such thing of mee Then quoth he againe doe you deny Christ to be God To whom I answered No sir I do verily beleeue that he is God Doe you so That doe I quoth I. Then quoth he thou art of mine owne Religion Fare-fall thy heart for so satisfying mee and my learned Brother here Goe thy wayes thou art an honest-man I warrant thee And so was I quickly dispatched The foolish Flat-cap thought that by my graunting Christ to be God I had meant as he meant namely God by Nature whereas I meant God by Office Flyer O notable learning rare learning Legat. ar Now sir it being meere Man that sinned it must be meere Man that must satisfie Gods iustice and therefore at first preached That the Womans seed should breake the Serpents head As also that Hee should be a Seed deriued from Abram from Daui● from the Fathers which accordingly in his time came to passe and accordingly by suffring the ignominious death of the Crosse he satisfied for man the righteous dying for the vnrighteous Bu● stay is he not some English-man that runneth after vs Flyer I thinke sir it is one of the Hydutch that passed in our Shippe An odde fellow I weene if so one could found out his Religion Legat. ar Lay your Fardle downe and that shall seeme cause of our staying But what causeth you to thinke he is of some odde Religion Flyer For that in some discourse betweene him another he seemed to conclude that the Serpent which tempted Eue was but some creeping crookednesse of mínde wynding from God As also that Christ and Antichrists were no reall persons but fashions of minde Legat. ar Au au I know then what he is he is a plaine Familist They teach all their rudiments to their Children by a familiar kind of Play which they tearme The Interlude of Mindes It was penned by one H. N. an Hy-dutchman who also hath left in wryting very many Bookes of that abstruse kind of learning Some of our late Brownistes are entred into that Familie I know a Weauer in L●ndon he was sometimes a Clothier of Somerset-shire and after that first a Brownist then an Anabaptist now a Familist he will say that now in one quarter of an hower whilst he is in his Loome he can comprehend farre greater Reuelations of the spirit then whilst he was out of that Family he could in his whole life But say you nothing I will seeme ignorant what he is Familist Sacrament a Godt how weary I am in running after you M. Flyer Flyer I thought it was you Hans Legat. ar And you be not out of breath sir I would we might talke of Religion Familist Marry best of all and the spirit of Loue be our direction Legat. arr What Religion I pray you be you of Familist Seeing you manifest your selues to be religiously affected and secondly seeing we are out of the shot of the Magistrate I shall freely tell you what I am I am of the Holy family of Loue a Family in God and in whom God is for God is Loue. And out of this Loue there is no beeing

Flyer Me thinkes it should be true that the ●●ues of Satan should onely serue ●atan in their ministrie as the Gally●aues with Ores do serue the Turkes Lieftenant Anabapt A very good comparison whose Seruant one is his workes they doe For no one can serue two Maisters specially so crosse as Christ and Antichrist Flyer I pray you sir then what be the Ar●●cles of your fayth Anabap. For that friend remember what is written in Ezek. 43.11 When they be ashamed of all that they haue done shew ●●em the forme of the house and the pat●●rne thereof and the going out thereof and ●he comming in thereof and all the fashion thereof and all the ordinaunces thereof c. ●●ploying thus much that the Holy mysteries are not to be reuealed but ●nely to such a soule as is first asha●ed of all by-pathes of false worship ●or the Childrens Bread is not to be ●st vnto Dogs that will ball against ●●e trueth nor Pearles vnto Hogs ●●at wallow in their owne shame Flyer I am ashamed of my standing not only with the Protestant but also with the Separist and Priuate and I firmely betake my selfe to your Fayth till death vs depart Anabapt The Deaw of heauen come vpon you To morrow I will bring you into our sacred Congregation that so you may come to be informed in the Fayth and after that to be purely Baptized Flyer Thankes reuerend man of God I thinke sir you are some Minister your selfe Anabapt That word Minister fitteth not I am a Prophet of the Lord spoken of in the eleuenth of the Reuelation which in homely apparaile as Sackcloth doe bewayle the peoples sinnes protesting against the Beast that come out of the bottomlesse Pitte And as I had in vision this night the Beast in time shall put mee to death for the Holy testimonie But an Angell hath comforted mee and sayth that before that time I shall turne the hearts of many Fathers to the Children and the heartes of Children to the Fathers least otherwise the great power should smite the Earth with cursing Flyer O sir mee thinkes the spirit of life is entred ho●te into mee Mee thinkes I could leape into that passage-Cart and prophecie Fire vpon England and all English Sectaries Anabapt Stay holy Proselite thou must first be Baptized and haue some diuine Vision from aboue And so being made a perfect Em●usiast thou shalt be able to turne backe the Floodes of Iordane But stay one is at our heeles If wee fall into any talke of Religion lay you your hand of your mouth and be silent Flyer I will O miraculous Prophet THE THIRD DIALOGVE Betweene Anabaptist and the Legatine-Arrian Legatine-Arrian WEll ouer-taken Father goe you vnto Midleburghe Anabap. I doe sir. Legat. ar I would be glad of your company and so much the rather for that you are gray-headed and Moses commaundeth such Youth as I am to rise vp before t●● gray-headed Anabap. Thou sayst well sonne and I am glad thou readest Moses with some obseruance Legat. ar Without such diuine reading and obseruatiō Man is worse then a Dog What religion are you of Father Anabapt Of the true Christian religion Legat. ar Professed according to what what forme Father For the Papistes professe him according to one forme the Protestants after another forme and so the Puritaines Brownistes Anabaptistes and others Anabapt I professe him sonne after that manner which is reuiled by the name of Anabaptistes though Ana-baptisme or R●-baptization is a thing we be not ashamed of but rather glory in as hauing onely power from the Lord to deliuer that seale of Baptisme Legat. ar Are you Baptized then Anabapt I am sonne Legat. ar And I am of minde that there is no true Baptisme vpon the earth Anabapt Not in the earth I pray thee sonne say not so The co●●●egation I am of can and doth administer true Baptisme Legat. arr Say you so Father Your congregation as appeareth in Sleydan is but as of the last day Was not the true Church according to S. Iohns Uision in the Reuelation to be for manie yeares inuisible and not to be seene in the earth Anabapt That is certainely true And so I thinke my Brother that heere walketh with vs your countryman forsooth is accordingly minded Flyer I am Legat. ar I am of the same minde and therefore conclude therevpon thus The Church being to be latent and inuisible for many yeares so that her place was no more to be found it must accordingly follow that there could be no more a visible Church till some notable men were surred vp of God to raise it againe out of the dust Anabapt I graunt that And notable men haue we had Legat. ar The men that began the frame of the Church of Israel were Moses and Aaron The men that began the New-testaments Church were the Apostles All these were furnished with the guift of Myracles for the perswading of their hearers For without Myracle they could not be beleeued to come from God for establishing a new Church-pollicie Now Father who were the first layers of your Churches foundation They must bring Myracles with them or who but mad-men will take them for new Founders Anabapt My sonne wee haue had sundry men that haue been myraculous Legat. arr Indeed Sleidan recordeth your Snapper-doling and some others that were marueilous for their Dreames wherevpon they practised all filthines and intollerable bloodshed But to passe by that and the like Of whom had the first of your people his Baptisme The first had it doubtlesse in the Church of Rome and so consequently from Antichrist and Adam the first being impure we that follow can be no better As is the first fruite so be the branches New Baptisme there can not be till there come new Apostles New Apostles there can not be who are not endued from aboue with myracles Myracles we heare of none onely of idle Dreames and so consequently no true Baptisme in the earth nor any one true visible Christian Anabapt Doe you not beleeue your selfe to be one Legat. arr Not for alter an vtter ceassing of visible Christianitie there can be no raysing vp of that worke to visible appearance till Ministers haue begun it who may by Myracle confirme their calling For not our Sauiour Christ would so much as abolish the Shadow and establish the Substaunce but he would first vnto the people cleare his calling by an effectuall declaration of Myracles And what are you that you should be beleeued of your bare words Anabap. I perceiue sonne that thou art against all Churches and all Churches against thee as was the hand of flouting Israel turned out of Abrahams house the father of beleeuers Legat. ar You are au old Dunse to liken mee vnto Ismael a figure of Reprobates For you and others once graunting that y e Church according to that in the Reuelation chap. 6.14 represented by the Heauens departing once away as a Scrowle when it is rowled must needes therevpon conclude that