Selected quad for the lemma: spirit_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
spirit_n	father_n	john_n	word_n	5,237	5	4.2998	3	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A96687	New-Englands salamander, discovered by an irreligious and scornefull pamphlet, called New-Englands Jonas cast up at London, &c. Owned by Major Iohn Childe, but not probable to be written by him. Or, A satisfactory answer to many aspersions cast upon New-England therein. Wherein our government there is shewed to bee legall and not arbitrary, being as neere the law of England as our condition will permit. Together with a briefe reply to what is written in answer to certaine passages in a late booke called Hypocrisie unmasked. / By Edw. Winslow.	Winslow, Edward, 1595-1655.	1647 (1647)	Wing W3038; Thomason E390_8; ESTC R201531	24,205	33

NEW-ENGLANDS SALAMANDER DISCOVERED By an irreligious and scornefull Pamphlet called New Englands Jonas cast up at London c. Owned by Major Iohn Childe but not probable to be written by him OR A satisfactory answer to many aspersions cast upon New-England therein Wherein our government there is shewed to bee legall and not Arbitrary being as neere the Law of England as our condition will permit Together With a briefe Reply to what is written in answer to certaine passages in a late Booke called Hypocrisie unmasked By Edw. Winslow LONDON Printed by Ric. Cotes for John Bellamy and are to bee sold at his shop at the signe of the three Golden Lions in Cornehill neare the Royall Exchange 1647. TO Major John Childe in answer to his Preface SIR I Am sorry for your owne sake being a Gentleman reported to bee peaceable in your conversation that you should bee thus engaged in other mens quarrells especially to father other mens falshoods and irreligious jeeres and scoffes whose spirits if you were so well acquainted with as my selfe and some others that came lately from New-England as well as thousands in the Countrey you would bee more wary then to engage as you doe But first for answer to your Preface and then I conceive I have answered every word of yours in your seeming Treatise And yet I would not bee mistaken that any should thinke I judge you unable to write such a peece for there is no solidity in it but I am so well acquainted with this language and such proceedings before ever I saw your face as no man is or ever was better acquainted with the phrase or writings of another then I am with your chief animator to this undertaking whom I call New-Englands Salamander because of his constant and many yeeres exercise and delight in opposition to whatsoever hath been judged most wholesome and safe for the weale-publick of the Country from whence hee last came either in Politicks or Ecclesiasticks being ever willing to enjoy the common benefits of peace by government which maintaines every man in his proper right but never willing to beare any part of the charge in supporting the same as appeared by his constant cavilling thereat when ever any rates came upon the country though never so easie and just But to come to the occasion of your printing the following relation which you say are the sufferings that not onely my Brother Robert Child Doctor of Physick with some Gentlemen and others have suffered in their persons and estates by Fines and imprisonment in New-England and false reports and feigned miracles bere c. For answer that your brother was in prison and for what I certified you at my first comming over though to you grievous in regard of naturall affection which I honour where I finde in any Then also being occasioned thereunto I freely imparted to you the Countries colorable grounds of suspecting his agency for the great Incendiaries of Europe besides the matter of fact for which hee was committed yea that the very yeare hee came over a gentleman in the country Mr. Peters by name was advised by letters from a forraign part that the Jesuits had an agent that Sommer in New-England And that the Countrey comparing his practise with the intelligence were more jealous of him then any though to mee he was a meere stranger and therefore I marvell that Major Childe should give me occasion and force mee to publish these things which I neither affect nor intended but I shall forbeare in that kind because I would not provoke As for their estates being weakned by Fines that is yet to prove for though they were fined yet the fines were not levied nay so gentle was the censure of the Court that upon the publike acknowledgement of the offence the Fine was to bee remitted to all or any one of them so doing And for false reports and feigned miracles fomented here to colour their unjust proceedings as you terme it I answer your book is the first reporter of many things I here meet with especially as you lay them downe as shall appeare more particularly In the next place you say They give out that my brother and others desire a toleration of all Religions This is the first time that ever I heard it so reported of them Secondly whereas you say they are accused to bee against all government both in Church and Common weak This I know to bee false for I heard them demand in Court the Presbyterian government and it was granted them Besides before this demand in Court at a private conference with an eminent person who well hoped to have satisfied them hee demanded of the Petitioners what Church government it was they would have One of them answered he desired that particular government which Mr. John Goodwin in Colemanstreet was exercised in Another of them said hee knew not what that was but hee for his part desired the Presbyterian government A third of them said hee desired the Episcopall government if it might bee if not the Presbyterian And a fourth told mee himselfe that hee disclaimed any thing in the Petition that was against the government of the Churches in New-England c. resting and liking what was there done in that kind Now the former three passages and not without the latter were all told mee by grave persons in New-England such as I beleeve And therefore if any so accuse them I must needs cleare them but withall testifie I never met with this accusation against them before I read it in your booke Thirdly for their petitioning the Parliament Take notice wee hold that no subject ought to bee restrained this libertie and therefore count it no offence nor ever did and therefore they were not committed for that A fourth false report you terme is Their Petition brought from thence to bee presented to the Parliament which they had named Jones in a ship called the Supply being in a storme neere Silly out of horrour of conscience the petition was torne and throwne over board and that then the storme immediatly ceased and they ●ir●●●lously saved To this I answer I was not in the ship I praise God and therefore what I say in it must bee from others whom I judge truely godly and of the most grave and solid persons amongst them And Sir let mee tell you and the world in answer to you I have heard the passage from divers but never as you print it and doe thinke verily your informers belie themselves that they may have somewhat to cavill at But though I had not thought to have entred upon a large answer to any particular yet it being one of the heads of your Treatise I shall bee larger in answering that then another thing partly to vindicate Mr. C●●on who is much abused in your booke and partly from their owne pen to shew the prophane carriage of the partie in the ship by their fearefull provoking the Almightie to follow them with his

which is his sense and that the sixth person is not of the Church meaning amongst them And this saith hee wee have but his word for and makes is a falshood in me but I returne it upon himselfe whose bold spirit dare affirme any thing against the apparent light of the Sunne for however the Dutch baptize the children of all Nations that are presented to them as well as their owne as I shewed in my former Treatise yet this their practise stands not upon the Presbyterian bottome nor doe I know I confesse what they take for their warrant in it yet I affirme and that of my owne knowledge having lived divers yeares amongst them that their Church is a select people gathered together into an holy communion which holinesse hee scoffes at and which they call the ●●ement and that many thousands of those whose children they baptize never are admitted to the Lords Supper which they account Church communion nor are ever brought before their Classis and there examined admitted occasionally admonished yea excommunicated if they submit not to the Rule and that all those that are admitted are such as tender themselves and thereupon are examined c. in the Classis as before And for an instance of the truth of it a godly English Minister that had sometimes lived in Rotterdam told me upon this very occasion that the Deacons of the Dutch Church at Rotterdam told him that although there were almost 7000. houses in their City and in many of them divers families yet they had but 2000 persons in Church-fellowship And for the French Churches who know● not that the Nation I meane the body of them are still Papists and yet as blinde as Bayard our malicious Salamander whose tongue is known to be no slander from whence he came doth charge me with falshood herein 'T is true through Gods mercy there are many thousand Protestants amongst them and I wonder that any man should bee so audacious as to affirm these are not a distinct people from the rest that have undergone so many massacres and persecuti●●● for the testimony of their Faith and witnesse they have borne against the abo●inations of Rom● and the Papacy still so much admired in that Nation by the body of it And as I ●●●d of Holland the sixth person is hardly of the Church so in France the tenth man for ought I heare is not a Protestant And how then they should be a Nationall Protestant Church I know not As for his jeere about the Covenant let him goe on in his way of scorn and contempt of the Covenant between God and his people and yet hee shall finde the Church in the Old Testament established by a Covenant and after their greatest desertions and declinings upon solemne dayes of humiliation their Covenants againe renewed throughout the same And the Churches under the New Testament are still the same though the Ceremonies and Ordinances bee altered by the Lord thereof yea the Scottish Churches which hee saith are Nationall and so would make a breach in that respect between them and us are solemne and serious in their Covenant and the English in the late Reformation no lesse serious to Gods glory bee it spoken when as there are many hundred thousands in both Nations that will not take these their Covenants but remain in Popish superstition and wilfull ignorance And for our tenders to the Scots to live amongst us and enjoy their liberty in the exercise of the Presbyterian government formerly and the late tender of the Court of the Massachusets to their Petitioners for the enjoyment of it at present themselves providing for it 't is not so strange as true But whereas they say they hear not of the latter being since they came away 'T is false I have told them and they may heare it by many others but they have not the spirit of peace in them nor will they take notice of any thing that tends thereunto but seeke as appeareth by this Postscript to blow up the coal●s of contention and division so much as possible may bee hindering peace and good agreement between Brethren by all the meanes and courses they can use And for what h●saith concerning Mr. H●bbards censure daring mee to say Whether Mr. Hubbard were not punished directly or indirectly for baptizing some children whose parents were not members of the Churches in New-England For answer I doe and dare affirme in my conscience that I am firmly perswaded hee was not And however I doe not desire to meddle in the case nor to engage in other mens controversies but rather seeke to heale them by all due meanes yet I thought good to answer his challenge in this particular that so that cloud of jealousie might also be dispelled so far as concerneth my own thoughts in the case and had hee but so much charitie in himselfe as becomes a Christian man I am confident hee would bee of the same mind with mee And so much for answer to that particular and the whole Book wherein the Reader may see more malice in our accusers then policy in us whose simplicity is branded with subtilty fallacy and what not but blessed bee God it is by such whose tongues are their owne and will not bee controuled by any and from whom I expect all that malice can invent but am come to a resolution that whatever our Salamander shal vent either in his own name or by others as at this time I wil leave him to God and referre our Vindication to the Lord Jesus Christ who hath all power in heaven and earth committed to him in whose eyes I trust we are precious who undoubtedly will clear up our innocency when these our proud enemies shall bee scattered before him And to whom with the Father and the Spirit God over all blessed for ever be glory and praise to all eternity Amen FINIS ERRATA Page 3. l. 38. for another r. any other p. 4. l. 2. for the r. their p. 11. l. 35. for about r. to put p. 19. l. 24. for our r. their ibid. l. 30. for us r. them p. 21. l. 28. for are r. is