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A85389 Cretensis: or A briefe answer to an ulcerous treatise, lately published by Mr Thomas Edvvards, intituled Gangræna: calculated for the meridian of such passages in the said treatise, which relate to Mr. John Goodwin; but may without any sensible error indifferently serve for the whole tract. Wherein some of the best means for the cure of the said dangerous ulcer, called gangræna, and to prevent the spreading of it to the danger of the precious soules of men, are clearly opened, and effectually applied; / by the said John Goodvvin, a well-willer to the saints, in the work and patience of Jesus Christ. Published according to order. Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665. 1646 (1646) Wing G1161; Thomason E328_22; ESTC R35707 46,594 52

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not knowing but it might seem strange unto you and remain as a burden upon your spirit that the author of so many falshoods and as they appeare to me palpable untruths should be by such a one as Mr. Edwards termed a man religious and cordially affected to the Parliament But not to withhold you any longer his name is Josiah Ricraft the same man in whose name the Reply to your Answer was printed the which whether he did indite or no I will not affirm only I may thinke but it matters not much whether he or another did indite it only this I am confident of hee is a man so far from being religious and cordially affected to the Parliament as Mr. Edwards would make the world beleeve that I shall and am able by evident testimonies yea and by that knowledge I in particular have of him perspicuously make it appeare and had done before this had I not been extraordinarily prevented that he is an enemy to the Parliament State and Kingdome by concealing countenancing bearing correspondency with such as endevour nothing more then the overthrow of religion the subjects liberty At present I shal speak no more cōcerning him then what I my self distinctly know of him After he had taken the solemne league covenant he did inviolation thereof conceal a Colonell the which came out of the Kings Army and from him did receive the Kings Picture This Colonell not daring to goe abroad in the day time All this he did declare in my hearing nay during the time this Colonell was in town he did carry as now hee doth a great correspondency with one Mr. Roberts Minister being one in fellowship with him whose life this Colonel would have taken from him if I be not misinformed the which as I am credibly informed had Mr. Roberts known of the Colonels being in town he would have endeavoured the hanging of him that not without cause for former discourtesies received from him too tedious to relate I shal deferre the naming of him until I am called to testifie what I here declare the which I hope wil be suddenly And though he was wisht desired to discover him pressing the Covenant upon him yet would he not I shall at the present as not desiring to be tedious present you with one passage more it is concerning one who being to goe to Oxford with an intent to take up Arms for the King he wel knowing he was a malignant and would not take the covenant yet him did he furnish with mony to carry him to Oxford and hath since taken up Armes This I shall through the help of God make appeare to be really true and will declare his name and where he lived the which I now forbeare in regard of some friends whom I am not willing in the least to grieve were not the glory of God and the Kingdoms good interessed in it I should not at present have mentioned any thing of this nature but not knowing any way more tending to the vindicatiou of both I take this method Truly should I declare unto you how contrary his carriage and conversation is to the Gospels rule I am confident it would sadden the spirits of conscientious men and cause admiration in those who professe themselves to be followers of our Lord Jesus I do assure you the Lord hath so carried on my soul with divine contemplation and sweet communion fellowship with the Father and the Son that all the unreasonable dealings I have received from him have not made any impression upon my spirit only this the righteous God knoweth hath been no small saddening to my spirit to see his aversnesse of spirit to those who are of his own judgement But these miscarriages I shall let passe untill a more convenient season desiring with all my soule the Lord may through the glorious and rich discoveries of himselfe powerfully upon his spirit cause him to be ashamed of his folly and to own his weaknesses that the Lord may yet be honored by him and his soule comforted in the day of our Lord Jesus And now that God who hath made such rich discoveries and glorious manifestations of his tender love to you in the Son of his love strengthen you throughout that you may be able to stand and withstand all the opposition you shall meet withall from any generation of men and that you may increase with the increasings of God And this is the request of him who is Your brother in the Rock Christ G. C. As to the contents of the letter written to Mr. Edw. by that religious person and so cordially affected to the Parliament as you have heard how notoriously false are a great part of them As first that Mr. Kiffen and some others upon their disputes with Dr. Featley M. Seaman M. Calamy M. Porter and others gave out to their members that they had the better and that M. Calamy durst not dispute with them Both which are disavowed by the persons charged and with certainty of knowledge that the reporter can never prove either the one or the other of them 2. The said letter affirmeth that M. Kiffen was left out from that disputation which was held and to be held with M. Calamy c. whereas it is so far from the truth that he was left out from this disputation that earnestly soliciting an exemption from that ingagement his motion herein was absolutely refused by the rest that were to dispute 3. He affirmeth that the said M. Kiffen was put to do the drudgery to fetch up members scattered to and fro in the countrey c. This also is as false as falshood it selfe can make a report to be The said M. Kiffen never stir'd a foot out of the Citie further then his own house all the while 4. This religious person in the same letter saith that not onely M Kiffen but others also of them did the like good service as Hobson the Taylor in their places This again is so far from truth or likelihood of truth that this Hobson he speaks of with Mr. Kiffen were amongst others made choyce of by their friends to attend the disputation and to manage their interest in the controversie against their opposers and therefore could not doe that besides which there was nothing possible to be done by them or any others that can now save the pen of Religious I. R. from the pollution and reproach of a false pen 5. The said letter advanceth yet further in her way of folly and affirmeth that one of their members whose name is Palmer being recovered came into their Conventicle house and there before many people said That Physitians left her as they found her This is a very emphaticall untruth the woman never making use of any Physitian all the time of her sicknesse 6. This letter which seems to be Gangrena's chiefe favourite among all her fellowes being loath that any other should carry away the whetstone from her
scandalous and lying reports against the Saints and servants of God under the names of Sectaries to blesse the vanitie and wickednesse of the world with the venting of them Did Paul or Christ set their faces like an Adamant to inflame and set on fire the Powers of this world with hatred bitternesse and bloudinesse of spirit against the sons and daughters of God though full of weaknesse and unworthy in the highest Or did they importune and clamour upon the secular arme even to the wearying of it to avenge them on their adversaries and little lesse then threaten those in place and Authoritie if they would not comport with them in their carnall ends and desires and lift up their iron rod to breake their enemies in pieces like a potters vessell This saith Christ to the Jewes speaking of their murtherous attempts against him this did not Abraham a Nor did the Lord Christ or his blessed Apostle any of the things mentioned but whether Mr. Edw. hath done any thing else almost either in his Lion or in his Beare I mean either in his Antapologie or in his Gangrene especially in this latter I appeale to the judgements and consciences of all that either have or shall please diligently to peruse them and withall have but their wits and senses free from Classique bands When the Lord Christ was sollicited by some of his disciples and that by those whom he loved best to call for fire from Heaven to consume those that would not receive him he turn'd himself and rebuked them telling them that they knew not what spirit they were of Whereas Mr. Edwards calls and cries might and maine for fire from Hell to destroy not those who refuse to receive the Lord Christ but such as do receive him with all their hearts and with all their souls onely because their faces are not instantly set to receive the Traditions of his Discipline and Doctrine and yet conceits that he knows well enough of what spirit he is making no question for conscience sake but that it is Heavenly And for Paul we know he burnt viz. griefe and sorrow when any Christian though never so weake was but offended his Doctrine and desire was that supplications prayers intercessions and giving of thanks be made for all men for Kings and all that are in Authoritie that wee Christians believers of what judgement soever for he excludes none may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godlinesse and honestie b But Mr. Edwards is so far from burning when weake Christians are offended that he is offended when they burne not His Doctrine Practise and desire is that supplications and prayers intercessions and giving of thanks be made for and to Kings and all in Authoritie that Christians and believers may either not live at all or at least be so far from leading quiet and peaceable lives in godlinesse and honestie as to have their faces ground and their bones broken and their hearts fill'd with heavinesse unlesse they will receive the Clergie-Classique Faith as well as the Faith of the Lord Jesus Christ himselfe O miserable man who shall deliver him from this dangerous snare of death I meane of conceiting himself like unto Paul and Jesus Christ in the course he steer's against Sects and Errors And as for Calvin Luther and Austin though these had much more flesh and bloud in them then the two former had yet for him to strengthen his hand in the way he goes by their example is as if a murtherer should incourage himselfe in his way from the practise of a Surgeon when he lets bloud or the proceedings of a Judge when he slayes a malefactor with a sentence of death For when or in what age of the world did any of these spread the world round about them with snares of intelligence in every place to catch the failings and haltings and infirmities of the Saints and when they had taken a proportion of them to spread a table with them to entertaine and feast the prophane world Especially when did any of these ever publish such a rhapsodie of loose light lying reports and tales all or the greatest part of them calculated for the shame of the Saints and glory of the Sons of Belial Or when did any of them deale so importunely or imperiously with those whom God had set in Authoritie over them to crush the generation of the righteous the lambs of Jesus Christ under the names of Sectaries only because in some things they held not conformitie in judgement with them I doe not all this while say that either Mr. Edwards writing or printing or preaching against errors heresies or Sectaries is that which simply makes him unlike either unto Christ or Paul or those others named for doubtlesse they did interpretatively at least all this and who hath not ingagements upon him to go thus far both with him and them if he be able and hath opportunitie But first the blaspheming many Truths of God under the names of errors and heresies a stone at which his pen frequently dasheth maketh him extremely unlike unto Christ and Paul yea and unto those others also except onely in their failings Secondly his turning himselfe especially with that fiercenesse of countenance and furiousnesse of importunitie upon the Civill Magistrate to provoke men of this Interest to powre out themselves in wrath and indignation upon all those whom he thinks good to make Delinquents by his pen Thirdly His sending forth of Emissaries wherein thorough a mistake of the word Independents in stead of Presbyterians he chargeth the Independents to resemble the Jesuites to discover and report unto him the slips and weaknesses of the servants of God Fourthly His inveteratenesse and Dragon-likenesse of spirit by which he manageth all his endeavours against Errors and Sectaries Fifthly His importune confidence and overgrowne presumption of his own parts learning knowledge Sixthly His drinking in with so much greedinesse all and all manner of reports that are brought in to him whether with ground or without that will but make dirt to throw in the faces of those whose understandings are either longer or shorter then his be they otherwise as deare to him whose Name is jealous as the apple of his eye Seventhly and lastly His virulent and viperous designe to preach the nakednesse of the Saints yea the nakednesse of vile and unworthy men I meane their false base and putid suggestions against them as their nakednesse upon the house-top and to call upon all the world to heare these things make him so extremely unlike Jesus Christ and those others whom he pretends to imitate that that drop of resemblance wherein he partakes with them is quite drown'd and swallowed up in this Great Ocean of dissimilitude And let Mr. Edwards know and let his Conscience and Compeers know that whatsoever he shall suffer whether from his Sectaries or others in this bloudy negotiation he shall suffer not as a Christian nor with Christ but as a