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A84076 A monstrous dispute: or, The language of the beast, in two men professing themselves ministers of the Gospel; both proved at a publike dispute in Lumber-street, Oct. 12. 1653. I. That they are no men, but beasts. II. That they are no ministers, but monsters. William Erbery. Erbery, William, 1604-1654. 1653 (1653) Wing E3233; Thomason E714_25; ESTC R207252 4,476 8

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