Thomas Crisp's ENVY DETECTED AND FOLLY MANIFESTED Herein and the Addition following by R.R. BEING AN ANSWER To his BOOK Entituled The FOURTH PART of Babel's c Prov. 27.22 Though thou should bray a Fool in a Mortar among Wheat with a Pestil yet will not his foolishness depart from him Verse 4. Wrath is cruel and Anger is out-ragious but who is able to stand against Envy Psalm 11.2 Lo the wicked bend their Bow they make ready their Arrow upon their string that they may privily shoot at the upright in heart But Behold the Eye of the Lord is upon them that fear him upon them that hope in his mercy to deliver their Soul from Death and to keep them alive in Famine By one that according to his measure prays for the peace of Jerusalem and prosperity of Sion which God is making the beauty of Holiness and praise of the whole Earth notwithstanding the Rage of all her Enemies and fury of her Adversaries By J. F. Junior London Printed for Benjamin-Clark in George-Yard in Lombard-street Bookseller 1682. Thomas Crisp's Envy Detected and Folly Manifested herein and the Addition following by R. R. being an Answer to his Book Entituled The Fourth Part of Babel 's c. UPon the 20th of the First Month 1681 2. I received from Thomas Crisp's hand a Book entituled The Fourth Part of Babel's Builders c. which he told me I was concerned in which upon perusal I find my name or the Letters for it is mentioned near thirty times And I therein termed and charged by him several times to be a false Witness and with grand falshood and called Inquisition Officer and such like All which Reproaches I might and willingly could bear and forbear thus to mention and Rejoyce that the Lord hath counted me worthy to be of that little number or Remnant which are Reproached for the name of Christ knowing that the Spirit of Glory and of God resteth upon such And they and I have indeed cause to rejoyce c. as Christ Exhorted it being falsly spoken though this was of old the Lot or portion of several of God's Servants and also of his People for remember David said Psal 102.8 Mine Enemies Reproach me all the day and they that are mad against me are Sworn against me And did not Rabshakeh reproach Israel in daies past and yet said The Lord said to me go up against this Land and destroy it And for my part I shall leave it to the manifestation of God's Spirit in every ones heart thereby to judge whether or no the same Spirit that led Rabshakeh so to Reproach Israel and the living God hath not entred Thomas Crisp and his Adherents and Abettors though they may as Rabshakeh say or pretend its the Lord and it 's his Cause they stand for and it s his Rule and Government in the Conscience they would Exalt but blessed be God in and by the blessed and divine Light of Christ Jesus which a Remnant was first turned to in which they have believed and have fellowship with God and oue another they clearly see that it 's not his Government viz. Christ's c. that they would Exalt notwithstanding their pretences but the Rule and Government of him who Rules in the Hearts of the Children of Disobedience whose unfruitful Works of Darkness they are bringing forth though they Nick-name them and would put off their corrupt dross for pure Gold guilding it over with a few fair words and fine Specches by which they would delude and deceive the hearts of the simple but blessed be God who hath so preserved a Remnant in his fear that from him they have receiv'd Wisdom and thereby are taught not to buy or receive though offered any of these mens corrupt Wares and false Doctrines and I believe the time hastens in which they like their Brethren of old shall because no man buyeth her Merchandize any more weep and mourn over their Mother Mystery Babilon the Mother of Harlots and abominations of the Earth that had as fair pretences and as guilded a Cup and as highly conceited of her Seat as T. C. and his Company are of theirs and if they Repent not I question not but they shall as surely be Judged plagued and tormented as she was For strong is the Lord that Judgeth her Now the Paper out of which he Collects what he takes occasion to charge me with falshood and being a false Witness and draws his Conclusion from that I am not a Minister of Christ is a Paper which I had set down his Doctrine in and to that had as in that which was Printed in S. Crisp's Book set my name as a Witness in which Paper was these words he so charges upon me and mentions so often in his Book I therefore thought meet here to set down a Copy of it which he calls in his 18 page J. F 's Bull of Excommunication against me but why he calls it J. F's he hath not told It is as followeth Viz. Several years since as it doth and may appear by our Monthly-Meeting Book Thomas Crisp and his Wife in the tender Love of God were visited by Friends in order to bring them unto a Sence of the Evil they had done in being Marryed by a Priest for which there is no president nor Example in the holy Scriptures of Truth for about * * It 's thought it was 11 Mo ths in the other but if so it 's a mistake 7 Months and his Wife did give in a paper into Friends wherein she Condemns that practice or thing and the Spirit that led her thereunto c. But her Husband did not come so far as to Condemn it notwithstanding Friends visits from time to time when they were all Clear left visiting of him and be remained and hath and doth unto this day a man out of the Vnity of Friends whose Vnity and fellowship stands in that Eternal Spirit which leads all them that are faithfull thereunto to be all of one mind and to speak the same thing and by the same Spirit a remnant are joyned together in the same mind and in the same Judgment among whom there is no division and these with the one mind and mouth glorify God and Serve him even the father of our Lord Jesus Christ with one mind and one accord c. And have no Vnity with Thomas Crisp nor his Doctrine which is as followeth The 8th of the 9 month 1681. Thomas Crisp said that he had lately payed Tythes and that the Spirit of God did or might allow him to pay Tythes or Marry by a Preist And that by the same Spirit of God another might be required not to pay them or not do the same things This Thomas Crisp spoke the day and year aboue said And Consented to have it Writt and printed and took a Coppy of the aforesaid words Witness John Feild Junior And now I shall take some notice what T. C. saith in his 4th part of
and Power of God and yet be out of and Enimies to the same but we know and therefore say that they that walk in the Light Spirit Grace and power of God the same gives them a good understanding and accordingly leads them in their Doctrine life and Conversation into a sound Christian form and order for as the Apostle said God is the God of order and not of Confusion in all the Churches of the Saints Page 20 T.C. saith And for J.F. to say their Vnity stands in the Eternal Spirit it is false for it is manifest to be in forms and needless Ceremonies for such as Conform and preach them up have been and are guilty of shameful Miscarriages and yet they are Suffered to continue as Preachers and no Judgment or Excommunication against them as out of Vnity and they have received what they have given and Spent on them of others Estates and not from the Vniver sal Spirit of God Note This I Charge upon T. C. as a grand and fivefold untruth or Lye until he proves it which I am well Satisfied he never can though he would by this and such like ungodly unchristian and abominable falshood begett jealousies in the mind of some against them that God hath raised up to publish his Truth and that sreely give up to spend and be spent in the Service of it and seek not any earthly thing but the glory of God and Exaitation of his Truth according to their several measures and gifts and have a Testimony from God in their hearts against that lying Spirit that hath entred him and his Abettors which if he and they Repent not of the plagues and Judgments of the Lords will certainly be their portion to all Eternity for no Lyar can enter the Kingdom of God For the Lake that burns with Fire and Brimstone which is the second Death is their portion Oh! that God may if it be his Will give T.C. and them a Heart to Repent before it 's too late In T. C's Postscript he saith Also that grand falshood of J. Feild's asserted in his Bull of disowning me c. Note Disowning thee for my part I have known thee some years but never knew thou wast owned by Friends or the People called Quakers or was one of them for I never so looked upon thee I am sure T. C. also in his Postseript speaks concerning the use of the word Company And saith Although the same used by G.F.J. Feild S. Ecdes c. are Guilty of Note J. Feild denysthat there is any such word viz. as Company in that he writ And charges it upon thee among the many untruths that thou hast writ concerning him and Friends some and but some of which he hath here set down I shall now say little more to this Babel Builder but set down the words of the paper which he calls mine and hath help't to fill his book with which he omitted and shew how he hath perverted them to make them speak to his mind and Answer his corrupt end and vain Conceit the words he left out are these viz. Which leads all them that are faithful thereunto to be Now Read what he hath so often mentioned with these words to them as they were in that paper And it s thus Friends unity and fellowship stands in that Etemal Spirit which leads all them that are faithful thereunto to be all of one mind and to speake the same thing and by the same Spirit a remnant are Joyned together in the same mind and in the same Judgment among whom there is no Division and these with the one mind and mouth glorify God and serve him even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ with one mind and one accord c. Pray now where 's John Feuds false Assertion or grand falshood For J. F. never said T. C. W. R. and J. W. c. were of one mind for J. S. and J. W. says The payment of Cythes as at this day is Antichristian but T. C. saith It s his Principle to pay Tythes and Marry by a Priest and hath practiced accordingly in paying Tythes c. Now if J. F. had said these were of one mind and Judgment and spake the same thing T. C. might well have termed it false or a grand falshood Neither did J. F. say that those that are not faithful to the Spirit of God were of one mind And J. F. would not have T. C. say the Spirit of God is not at unity with it self nor that them that are led thereby not at Unity one with another least he thereby Contracts more guilt upon his Soul and affirms that which he may as for his other unfruitful words and works of darkness have full sore Cause to Repent of So God who is large in his mercy and Infinite in his kindness if it be his will give him a heart to Repent of these his evil works before he goes hence no more to be seen of man that they may not follow him and that these Sins may not in that dreadful day wherein God will Judge the Secrets of all hearts by Jesus Christ according to his Gospel and reward every man according to his deeds be such a weight upon him that will Sink him into the lake of endless misery and Horrible pit out of which there is no Redemption for God who knows how to deliver the Righteous out of Temptation knows how to Reserve the wicked to the day of Judgement Thomas Crisp. I am thy Friend who can and do as I have learnt of Christ freely forgive thee all thy hard speeches and false sayings concerning me Lodnon at the Bull and Mouth the 22 of the 1st month 1681 2. John Feild Jun. Postscript THere is one thing or two more that I before omitted and passed by as I have many other malicious words and falshoods of T. Crisp's for had I made a Catologue of them all I am perswaded they would have doubled if not trebled his pretended 12 falshoods set down in his Postscript of the 4 part of Babels c. In his 16 and 17 page T. G. saith But one Reason wherefore I paid that sooften mentioned as Tythes was as a Witness that I was not taught my fear by the Precepts of G. F. c. nor receive his traditions for Doctrines and that I had not Sacrificed all my faith Conscience and Judgment to his Orders your Idol to Worship that as too many both small and great do but as a Testimony against your Impositions c. Answera Is not this an ungodly Insinuation as if all faithful Friends that refuse to pay Tythes being so perswaded of God in their Consciences and not from any outward Law or order and therefore in the Lords will Suffer the Spoyle of their Goods and Imprisonment of their Bodies in Nasty Goals seperate from then render Wines Children and familys where many have ended their days in peace with God in their Christian Testimony against that great oppression
our Friends in the City of Bristol and elsewhere lye under hard and grievious Sufferings but let this Serve to give a Rellish of the mans Spirit and who it is setts him to Work c. whose present loose principle never will lead him to lose any thing for Christ's sake and the Gospel But page 19 20. T. C. saith But it is observable that about the time that J. F. published this against me Ellis Hookes was dead the Clark of the Marriages and had left a considerable Estate and 't is said much of it was gained by Fees and Gratuities about Marriages which was more gain to him than to several Priests in London put together This so profitable an Office as is thought J. F. wanting or coveting might be glad of this opportunity to gain the favour of G. F. c. Also to make others be afraid of being so Exposed if they should let others have the profits of their Marriage Certificates c. * Thomas Crisp seeing thou hast brought Ellis Hooks's name in publick Print who is dead and cannot now Answer for himself to thy Calumniating and Slandering Tongue and thou sayst That E. Hooks left a considerable Estate and it 's said much of it was gained by Fees and Gratuities about Marriages and then saith Which was more gain to him than to several Priests in London put together I do charge T. Crisp to mention and bring forth their Names in publick Print that hath said this of Ellis Hooks and prove that he hath gotten his considerable Estate that he left behind him by Fees and Gratuities about Marriages and now T. C. is positive when he saith which was more gain to him than several Priests in London put together This I charge him again to prove if he can concerning E. H. But let this foul mouth'd Busie body T. C. ask E. H's Brother the Councellor if his Father did not give him an Estate besides it 's known to the Friends of Truth in this City that E. H. was a Stationer and by his Industry in that Employ gained a considerable part of his Estate and other lawful and considerable Employs he had which augmented his Estate But T. C's Envy against Truth and its Children is so large and he in it so restless that therein he abuses and belies both the Living and the Dead Answer What an Observable matter this is that Ellis Hooks was dead the Clark of the Marriages at this time and left a Considerable Estate What then why Thomas Crisp thereby hath gotten an oppertunity out of the abundance of his malitious heart to vent some of his Envious thoughts and malicious words against J. Feild and says if he may be believed much viz of E. H. Estate was gained by fees and gratuities as it s said this is like his Brother W. R. whose Example he herein follows who often saith if report be true But saith T. C. This so proffitable an Office as its thought J. F. wanting or Coveting might be glad of this opportunity to gain the favour of G. F. c. Answ As its thought Aye but had T. C. or any of his Abettors or Informers so said I should have told them it was a palpable untruth and base thought as its both a base and unworthy Action of T. Crisp thus publickly to defame and Scandalize me in print upon an Evil thought this is not like the Spirit of Christ but I can Expect no better of him that may well be compared to a rageing wave of the Sea casting up mire and dirt But blessed be God J. F. hath through the Lord's blessing and his Endeavour that whereby he hath hitherto honestly provided for himself and his Family without either Coveting or receiving that which is anothers by griping or over-reaching any man and can say with the Apostle his own hands have ministred to his necessity and he hath not been chargeable unto any And hopes he shall unto the End of his dayes through the Assistance of the Lord and by his grace manifest himself to be an honest man though not so rich as T. C. that writes thus maliciously against him for whom his prayer is and shall be if it be the Lords will that he and such as he may come to see the Evil Work he is about and Repent of it before it be to late T. C. page 18 deridingly saith As for those black sins of paying Tythes and marrying by Priests so often charged on T. C. by S. C. and his Confederates on which J. F. hath grounded his Bull of Excommunication against me and say they have no Vnity with me Answer I desire the Bull of Excommunication as he Scoffingly and maliciously calls that paper may by the Christian and unprejudiced Reader be well perused to See if they can find that any thing therein deserves such a Scornfull name for he is not therein Curst that being wholy Contrary to the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles and is for ever utterly disowned by us the true Christians called Quakers What Thomas must wee say we do own Persons that are not of us and have Unity with them that thou gives this frightful terme of Bull of Excommunication to that Innocent paper that I believe and am fully Satisfied was writt and given forth to manifest and tell others that knew thee not so well as thy Neighbours do what thou art and what thy practice hath been for peradventure they might think thee by thy fair words to be that thou art not and is it not pity but such should be better informed Well Thomas my desire is thou mayst Repent of these black Sins of Envy and Falshood and not encourage others to do the same lest thou become guilty of their Sins also Here followeth a short Collection of some of Thomas Crisp's many Falshoods or Untruths with short Notes thereupon to shew his Envy and detect his Folly in using my name so often c. and repeating some Sentences of mine relating to Friends Unity and being of one mind an judgment c. in all which he leaves out the material words as apparently as if a wicked Atheist should say he would prove from the Psalmists words Psal 14. 1. That he said There is no God he should leave out these words viz. The Fool hath said in his heart there is after this manner hath this unfair Adversary dealt with me as I with the Lord's help shall shew In the 20 p. And for J. F. to say their Vnity stands in the Eternal Spirit it is false saith T. C. Note But who Thomas dost think will believe thee for my part I shall not neither take thy word herein who art so Hypocritical and unfaithful as to act contrary to thy own principle as I have before shewed And I do affirm that our and all faithful Friends and true Christians Unity and Fellowship does stand in the Eternal Spirit of God and that it is grand falshood and untruth in thee to say
otherwise P. 18. T. C. saith As for those black sins of paying Tythes and Marrying by Priests so often charged on T. C. by S. C. and his Confederates on which J. F. hath grounded his Bull of Excommunication against me And say they have no Vnity with me Note Why Thomas dost thou say thou hast Unity with us that thou art so Angry at that Paper thou callest my Bull as to use my Name seven times in a page and more than four times seven in thy three Sheets and half of Babel c. because that paper saith thou remainest a man out of the Unity of Friends c. Prethee Thomas is this a breach of that Reveased will of God thou speakest of p. 12. to say thou remainest a man out of the Unity of Friends that thou art so Angry to term and compare me to an Inquisition Officer This is not the way to convince me that the Spirit of Christ in the Heart moves thee thus to write or rather scribble against me and Friends whatever thy Conceits are of promoting and contending for the Rule of the Gospel of the Spirit of Christ in the heart * I suppose you may know whose Phrases these are And my desire is that I and all tender-hearted honest Friends may never know the Rule nor Government of that Spirit thou art led and instigated by thus to vent thy malicious words prating like some of old against the Truth And in the 19 page T. C. saith And on other discourse with J.F. the next day per ceiving he intended to publish it did say hemight do it therefore consented to his writing those words Note Yes Thomas and to the Printing of them too thou consented otherwise for all what thou sayst thou perceived I Intended it had never been Printed as it was And I question not but thou and P.E. then in company with thee knows and may remember that thou said vauntingly it would cover or hide but a little spot of the Beast c. and took a Copy of it with thee And in the 21 page T.C. saith If you were in the Eternal Spirit as J.F. falsly says your Vnity would not stand in forms and Ceremonies and Orders Note Prethee Thomas who ever said it did sure it was not J. F. that hath been so often termed false Witness c. for saying it was in the Eternal Spirit don't quarrel and fight thus with thy own Shadow or sancy who in thy Babilonish Spirit would insinuate as if Friends Unity were in Ceremonies and Orders which we deny though we own the order of the Gospel and Law of Life and what are the products of the Spirit of Truth and that which it leads into and tends to vertue and good Report and to the Testifying against vice and looseness and that which would bring an ill Report though thou mayst scoffingly call them G. F's Orders and Laws c. and though to our grief some who for want of keeping in the holy fear of God and a diligent waiting upon him in lowliness of mind therein to be guided by his Wisdom and Councel have not so practised them as they ought which hath been as a Feast to thee and such as thee and a grief to the tender and upright hearted yet this doth not prove those wholsom Instructions of Friends which thou scoffingly calls Order bad T.C. in the 2 page saith The Apostles said who have not the Spirit of Christ are not his therefore no wonder that they give such black names to them who cannot give up all their Faith and Consciences to their Womens Meetings hereby it is proved that G. F ' s c. Vniver sal Spirit is not that of Christ and the Apostles and Ancient Friends therefore not the same but a private Spirit or Party which adore him and his Laws as S.E. and C.T. have done Note T. C's wicked and ungodly Insinuation as if Friends required people to give up all their Faith and Consciences to Womens Meetings which is as much as if he said Friends required persons to have no Faith in Christ nor no Conscience to deal justly c. for if they must give up all to them they leave none for any thing else let the Reader now judge whether T. C. hath the Spirit of Christ or is excited thereby thus to write yea or nay that thus insinuates for though I believe Christ is served in the Womens Meetings and that they are according to his mind yet I don't place All my Faith and Conscience in them neither doth this prove that G. F. c. Universal Spirit by which I take him to mean that Universal Spirit G. F. and Friends bear Testimony of and direct unto is not the Spirit of Christ the Apostles and Ancient Friends but a private Spirit which adore him and his Laws for I charge it upon T. C. as a grand untruth or a Lye For T.C. to say S. E. and C.T. have ador'd or worship'd C. F. or his Laws for I affirm all true and Spiritual Worship which is the Worship we own is only due unto God and Christ and is performed in the Holy Spirit T. C. in the 10th page saith That G. F. c. will not admit that any have the least measure of the Spirit that subnot to his Laws Note This is another of his untruths or Lies for it s well known he hath often testified unto the Universality of the Grace and Spirit of God and hath said with the Apostle that the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal In the 11th page T. C. saith Whereby it is manifest what high Esteem and great Authority you Ascribe to your Orders that the bare obeying them can Acquit in Gods sight Note This is another of T. C's great and palpable untruths or Lyes and Thomas prove if thou canst that any owned by us so high Esteem and ascribed such great Authority to those Good Orders and wholsome Instructions given by the Spirit of the Lord through his Servants concerning the outward Conversation and performance of things amongst the People of God which thou in dirision commonly calls G. F. orders c. For we are of the Apostles mind that some may retain the form of Godliness and be out of and Enimies to the power thereof and such never were nor are owned by the Lord God nor his faithful people for Hypocrisy was and is an Abmination unto the Lord. And a blind Sacrifice was neither under Law nor Gospel owned by him And they that have the form of Godliness and are out of the power and Enimies to it are not acquitted in Gods sight for being in the form neither can they that are Born of God have Unity with them that have the form of Godliness and are out of the power thereof though we say its possible as it was in the Apostles days that some may have the outward form of Godliness to wit a profession of the Light Grace Spirit
of Tythes had Sacrificed all their faith Conscience and Judgement to that T. C. scoffingly calls G. F's orders and that these are Friends Idol and they Worship them Oh! the Lord rebuke thee thou lying Spirit read 120 Psal 2.3 4. verse And prove T. Crisp if thou canst any of the many both small and great that so do viz. Worship G. F. Orders which thou Ishmaelite like calls Friends Idol or other wise Repent of and as publickly confess Acknowledge and Condemn thy Envy falshood and notoriously wicked Insinuation as thou hast published it for we Absolutely deny and disown all Idols and worship to any Creature or Created thing or outward order what soever and have and do teach and profess all true and Spiritual Worship which is that we own is due only unto God and Christ and performed in the holy Spirit Yet we Answer the Apostle's Exhortation and honour all men in the Lord and know them that Labour among us and are over us in the Lord and admonish us and do esteem them very highly in Love for their Work sake Accounting the Elders that Rule well worthy of double honour especially they that Labour in the Word and Doctrine and against such shall not receive thy lying accusation being Perswaded though they be accounted by thee and such as thee as the Apostles were by some viz. deceivers yet they are true and men that have hazarded their lives for the Gospel and Testimony of Jesus and have been in wants in fastings in jeopardy and perills by false Brethren and many wayes whom God blessed be his great and glorious name and holy power hath hitherto preserved and will unto the end I firmly believe and Crown them with life and dominion and they shall as many do shine in the firmament of his power for ever and evermore notwithstanding the Rage and Enmity of T. C. and such as he when they if they Repent not for paine shall knaw their tongues for God will certainly Judge thee for these wicked and hard speeches as in Rev. 16.11 But T. C's heart is so filled with Enmity against G. F. c. that out of the aboundance thereof in his three sheer and half he hath dotingly mentioned G. F's name or the letters of it 134 times and often speaks Scoffingly and maliciously against G. F's Orders c. as he calls them but gives no Catalogue thereof though so highly offended at them that others may Judge of them only in his 16 page T.C. faith when any doth or denyeth any thing not from Inwand Conviction but because G. F. c. so order or it is the Custom or practice of Friends such I call your orders and do know there be too many such Answer But this is no proof to me for thou that hast belyed me and others I am perswaded follows the same trade or practice here and I therefore Change it upon chee among the rest as a designed and premeditated untouth or lve tilthou proves it by shewing who they are that so do and what those orders are And in the 12 page T. C. saith I Judge not nor Condemn any person for their Jugdment and practice that differs from me that is not breach of the Revealed will of God and have often Certified as much Answ well Thomas if this be thy Principle I desire thee to shew and prove out of that Revealed will of God what I or Friends ever writ published declared or Exhorted to that is a breach of that Revealed will of God that thou hast so Judged me and them as a false Witness and an Assertor of grand falshood and an Inquisition Officer c. And till you so dost I Charge thee with grand falshood and an Assertor thereof also with the breach of thy owne Doctrine which is grand Hypocrisy and babilonish Confusion Also prove that thy four Babels are according to the Revealed will of God T. C. page 12. says R. R. is as one that has nothing to do but pick reasons because I shewed him G. F. c. their 12 reasons for disowning Barbados Paper And though he says there 's never a good one yet he proves not the badness of any one but only affirms they are so as if his authority solely might stand for all reason or rather withstand it and truth too and all must pin their faith on his sleeve notwithstanding all reasons to the contrary being wiser in his own foolish conceit than seven wise men with all the reasons they shall be able to render And what should one say to such an unreasonable conceited furious Spirit that seems to say what have I to do with reason or Truth or peace or thou either but get thee behind me Yet to shew the simple whom he says he would undeceive how good they are compared with his First Part Title Page because things are clearer by their opposites and because he disproves not but only compares and says there is a clearer disowning than those reasons so to make a ly I shall pick a few of his or rather top the best of his basket as he thinks belike after the Example of such chears to shew the difference that the simple may see they are so bad that they cannot be eaten like the figgs the prophet saw Jer. 24. as the other are very good as they are found to be to such as have not lost their savour And he shall bee content with his sense for brevityes sake and not ty us to his form in his many turnings windings and wriglings though he unjustly grumbles at S. C. for it Fourth Part p. 1. taking his sence not very words For he is more exact for words than matter making them principles Therefore T. C.'s reason that there 's not one good one in all G.F. c. Their reasons are first because T. C. affirms it And to prove that he affirms that they are not good because there might be a better not a clear disowning because there might be a clearer He affirms it And to prove that he affirms that an affirmation is clearer than all reasons be they neaver so many and cogent to make his own prefer'd before reasons And because I say not so too he calls me lyer and other disgraceful terms as he would make them seem though elsewhere he consesses them an honour And to confirm that he implyes for I take not his Very many words but his matter and sence though he takes my words without my sense and wrests them as if he were senseless bewitched or foolish at best and he seems to argue as if all the Apostles reasons in that large letter were not a clear disowning their following false Apostles and disowning him because he called them Brethren and Churches c. Would not such an Apostate turn against the true Apostles and following the false and holding up those that hold the Doctrine of Balaam and of the Nicolations or Libertins have reasoned thus against the true Apostles in that day And