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A74751 Queries of highest consideration, proposed to the five Holland ministers and the Scotch Commissioners (so called) upon occasion of their late printed apologies for themselves and their churches. In all humble reverence presented to the view of the Right Honourable the Houses of the High Court of Parliament. Williams, Roger, 1604?-1683. 1644 (1644) Thomason E32_8; ESTC R212639 13,716 21

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of Cavaliers cannot make a Parlament Army So we Querie how possible that a person or persons visibly in a state of nature dead in sinne in a state of enmitie and opposition against God Ephes Definitions of ought must not be from the corruption but Institution of it according to which mist be the reformation 2. Rom. 8. can ever please God be visibly maried to God fight for him under the Banners of Love c. Allegations may be brought from the corruptions of the Church of the Jewes and the Churches of Christ but We doe not use to define a Man by his Diseases nor a Garden by Weeds nor a Citie by a Tumult or an Army by a Rout or disorder especially when we treat upon an Institution or Resturation QUERIE VI. Although you both professe your Holynesse Diligence Zeale Courage Selfe-denyall Patience and the one of you the incomparable spirit of your Fathers in the worke of Reformation yet we Querie Excellent Witnesses of Christ Iesus who never proceeded to a Church-estate Whether there hath not been as Holy Able and Zealous Men since the Apostacie Men like Antipas Rev. 2. faithfull Witnesses of the Lord Jesus in what Light they saw even to Death who yet never came up to such a worke of Reformation as you speak of Yea without offence be it spoken have there not been as excellent and heavenly Reformers as your selves and Fathers whose professed Reformation you now dislike Who shall outshine many of the Waldensian Reformers for Holynesse Zeale Excellent reformers whose worke now seems to be beside the first Pattern and this Age dislikes forsakes c. One of the greatest Parlaments that ever was after all rejoycing and triumphing in it found Gods anger for their errors in reformation of his worship patience Where is or hath that pretious man been found who hath for personall excellencies outshined Luther and who shall o'retop those glorious Cedars Bishops Doctors c. burnt for Christ Jesus in Queen Maries dayes Yea where the Church we grant to have been true according to its Instistution for the time of it What Assembly what Parlament can compare with that of David and his Captains of thousands Captains of hundreths and every Leader and all the Congregation of Israel from Shishor of Egypt to the entring in of Hemath assembled together to reform the Worship of God in that true but Nationall Typical Church estate of Israel What rejoycing what playing was there of David and all Israel with Harps Psalteries Timbrells Cymballs and Trumpets and yet how angry was God what a Breach did he make for David and all Israel transgrest the due appointed Order 1 Cron. 13. 1 Cron. 15. QUERIE VII Since the Law was given by Moses A Nationall Covenant and a Nationall Church not found in the Doct ine of the Son of God but Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ by whom though God spake divers times and divers wayes to the Fathers he hath now revealed his councell in these last times Heb. 1. We Quere where you now find one footstep Print or Pattern in this Doctrine of the Son of God for a Nationall holy Covenant and so consequenty though we conceive the one of you stumble at it a Nationall Church Where find you evidence of a whole Nation Country or Kingdom converted to the Faith and of Christs appointing of a whole Nation or Kingdome to walk in one way of Religion If you repaire to Moses Such as hold a Nationall Church of God must needs disclaim Christ and follow Moses consult with Moses and the old Covenant or Testament we aske are you Moses or Christs Followers or do you yet expect the comming of the Son of God to set up the Christian Israel the holy Nation the particular Congregation of Christian Worshippers in all parts of the world 1 Pet. 2. Heb. 12. c. We further Quere Whether a Nationall Covenant lead not in case If one whole Nation where should we stop why may not many and the whole world c. and as is practised unavoydably to a holy Covenant of many Nations 2 Pet. 10.20 yea to a holy league or Covenant in case of Augustus his Government of the whole world which should then turne the Darling and Spouse of God between whom and it there is such enmitie that if any man love the world the love of the Father is not in him 1 John 2. The Doctrine of Christ Jesus tells us that Acts 10.35 That in every Nation he that feares God The nature of the true Church or Congregation of Christ Iesus c. Not every Nation that feares God Christ Jesus tells us that his Church may come together to break bread in One place 1 Cor. 11. which Nations and Countries cannot possibly doe Christ Jesus tells us this his Congregation is now the Common-weale of Israel invested with the true Kingly power of the Lord Jesus to put forth every wicked person though King or Keysar from amongst them We Querie There cannot be 2 true kinds of Churches no more then 2 true Parliaments Whether it be possible there should be 2 true sorts or kinds of Churches any more then 't is possible there may be 2 true Parlaments in England though many scores or hundreths should be called There are indeed 3 score Queens and 4 score Concubines and Virgins without number which seem to imply and that even in these times as some also have interpreted severall kinds of Congregations or Churches Severall sorts of Churches like Brazen Silver and Golden Candlesticks and yet Christs Dove is but one and the only one of her motherr Cant. 6. The Light of much Truth may shine forth on the brazen Candlesticks of strong Nationall Churches maintained and held up by the seeming strong Sword of Steel in an Arme of Flesh c. There may be silver Candlesticks more refin'd and pure in respect of the Matter of which they are constituted viz. godly persons c. But Christ Jesus only walks in the midd'st of his Golden Candlesticks Gathered and Governed after the Golden Institution of Christs Word which is like fine Gold Rev. 1. Psa 19. Againe we aske A National Religion must rack Soules and Bodies Whether in the Constitution of a Natinall Church it can possibly be framed without a racking and tormenting of thè Soules as well as of the Bodies of persons for it seems not possible to fit it to every conscience sooner shall one suit of Apparell fit every Body one Law president every Case or one Size or Last every Foot Lastly The dangerous consequences of it Whether it be not the cause of a world of Hypocritets he Soothing up of people in a Formall State Worship to the ruine of their Soules the ground of Persecution to Christ Jesus in his Members and sooner or later the kindling of the devouring flames of Civill Warres as all Ages testifie QUERIE VIII Whether No Wars for