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A85712 The Quaker's Jesus: or, The unswadling of that child James Nailor, which a wicked toleration hath midwiv'd into the world. Discovering the principles of the Quakers in general. In a narrative of the substance of his examination, and his disciples, as it was taken from their own mouthes, in their answer before the magistrates of the city of Bristol; also, of his examination in the painted chamber Westminster, and the management of it in Parliament, now published for the satisfaction of himself and some Christian friends. By William Grigge, (citizen of Bristol) who believes in that Jesus (and him alone for salvation) that was crucified at Jerusalem, above sixteen hundred years agoe. Grigge, William. 1658 (1658) Wing G2023; Thomason E942_2; ESTC R207579 61,372 85

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Israel and the Horsemen thereof And further let me say Blessed be God these Blasphemies and Errors are well answered and confuted by some able godly Ministers whose Doctrine and manner of life we have known As by those 5. godly Ministers of New Castle in a Book called The Perfect Pharisee Also Mr. William Thomas Minister of the Gospel at Ubley And by Mr. Christopher Fowler and Mr. Symon Ford of Reading Mr. Ralph Farmer of Bristol and Mr. Baxter of Kidderminster whose solid sharp yet sweet Epistle to the Separatists and Anabaptists in England is worthy serious observation in his Book called The Quakers Catechism Now of those solid judicious Answers of these holy men of God we may truly say as Job speaks How forcible are right words And as truly of their Adversaries the words following But what doth your arguing reprove And indeed Brethren some had need undertake it For I dare say If all the errors that proceeded from all the Hereticks since Christ's incarnation did appear together we should see this our Toleration have produced them as may be seen in James Nailor and his Disciples let him therefore be Jezabel if you will not Jesus as they blasphemously call him And that you may see somewhat more of their wickedness I shall here insert a passage which doth declare not only their actions deserving but also their expressions reproaching the due execution of Justice upon them Upon the 5th of February 1656. one Lewes Harris a Quaker having been in the Countrey came home to his House in Bristol and there meets with one William Hill a Brother of that Fryery who amongst other discourse askt the said Harris why he sell from his principles meaning as he was a Quaker He answers that he should not account for him but they further discoursing of their pure Religion Ranting and quaking at last their words came to blowes and Harris murders Hill for which murder he was Aug. 13th 1657. in Bristol arraigned and condemned and the 31. day executed Thus having such wicked principles they both came to this untimely and shameful end This Harris had a Letter from some Quakers which he when he was upon the Gallowes convey'd to a godly Minister there attending to exhort him to mind his condition the Minister having received it tore it presently in pieces upon which some Quakers that were then present said What will ye persecute to the death Thus calling this just execution for murder persecution And my Brethren Is not this also to be bewailed that such liberty should be given to a people of such principles who would not have murderers executed but call it persecution When the Government by Bishops was taken away though its supposed it would have been better for the Nation if that counsel given by that Reverend Father and learned Doctor of our Church Bishop Usher Primate of Ireland had been taken as it was tendered in 4. Propositions to the Parliament in the year 1641 for the reduction of Episcopacy into the form of Synodical Government After that time there came forth a little thing called Lambeth Fair where you might have bought many Surplices Hoods Coapes Caps and variety of such knacks and need-nots very reasonable I confess that in that Government there were many things which my low apprehension saw no need of As that there should be 24. Diocesan Lord Bishops that they should have 24 Chancellors 24 Registers with their men 48. Proctors 120. Apparitors at leaft and many more then a good many The whole number appertaining to Arch-bishops Bishops Arch-deacons with the rest belonging to them are judged to be no fewer than ten thousand persons which at but 20li per Annum a man is two hundred thousand pounds and to maintain the Bishops Courts and their greatness was at least four hundred and fifty thousand pounds per Annum more besides the Charges of the 24. Deanes to the great Churches and 544 Canons Residents and Prebendaries besides many Petty Canons Vicars Singing-men and Boyes Organists Gospellers Epistlers which took up in Lands three or four thousand pounds yearly All this you have more largely set forth in a Book entituled A short View of the Prelatical Church of England At this Fair of Lambeth things being sold cheap were soon bought and the great Revenue of the Prelates and Collegiat Churches which would have given a comfortable subsistance to a godly Ministry was put off by such whole-sale peny worhs that it was quickly distributed by those that knew well enough how to divide the Spoil Well you are deceived the good Lord give repentance to the deceivers Friends Lambeth-Fair is at an end and you know Fairs do not use to belong but Markets are more frequent and since Lambeth Fair hath been down there hath been a Market up called Toleration and such Commodities are to be sold at the Sign of the Black-spread Eagle near Pauls by Giles Calvert where you may be furnished with such Writings Books and Pamphlets that shall deny God Christ Spirit Word Ordinances Resurrection Heaven Hell what not Brethren I shall give you a sad view of some of those Wares though I do not advise the buying any of them but beseech you to abhorre and detest them Touch not tast not handle not for they shall all perish and they that walk by them And as I said take heed what you hear so also what you read But that we may the more bewail the abuse of liberty and the sad effects of Toleration whereby our God hath been so dishonoured the Gospel scandalized and the truth of our Profession justly questioned consider the Wares here suffered to be sold which are such as though we counted Hell a fable or to endeavour the filling it our duty One comes Sir Have you a Book that declares the Bible not to be the Word of God and that it is but humane Yea here it is called The Pilgrimage of Saints p. 4. By Lawrence Clearkson Sir you may have two or three more Sir Have you any against the Nature and Essence of God Yea Arguments by John Biddle p. 7. Saith he It s a wretched distinction to distinguish between Essence and Person And that God hath more hand in mens sinfulness than themselves in a Book stiled Comfort for Believers p 36.37 you may have 3 or 4 more Sir Have you any thing against the Trinity of persons in unity of Essence Yea That the Son to be co equal with the Father or the Holy Spirit to be a distinct co-equal person is from the Chappel of Rome Paul Beast p. 4.5 Sir Have you any Book to declare that Christ is not God Yea The better part of Christ's person is man there being but a gradual difference betwixt him and Moses and us And to make Christ co-equal with his Father is to make a false Christ or two Gods Mysteries discovered by Paul Beast p. 6. Sir Sir Have you any Book against the Deity of the Holy
answered Quest Have any given you the title of being the King of Israel Answ I think it s in the letter Quest Do you own it Answ I have no Kingdom in this world but a Kingdom I have Quest Do you own the title of the King of Israel and Prince of peace Answ It is but one and that of God born in me is the King of Israel Jesus Christ who is the King of Israel is manifested in me and that I own Qu. Have any called you the Prophet of the most high God Answ Yea I am a Prophet of the most high God Quest Are you the Prophet Answ I have said Quest Are you a judge sent to try the cause of Israel Ans. The Judge of Israel is but one Quest Do you in any respect judge the cause of Israel Answ. No other way then as God is manifested in the flesh Quest Then that way you are that Judge Ans. I own it Quest How do you execute the office of a Judge Answ. No other way then as the Father in me Quest By whom are you sent to do it Ans. By him that hath made all creatures he hath sent his Son into me to try the cause of Israel Quest In what manner do you judge the cause of Israel Ans. If they be brought before me in the counsel of my Father I do judge it but not in carnal things Quest In what matters are you made a judge if not in carnal things Ans. In matters belonging to the Kingdom of God Quest By what spirit do you judge Ans. By the indwellings of the Father and the Son Quest By what spirit are you guided to be Judge Ans. It s the Judge of all Spirits and not to be guided by any but himself Quest Is not the word of God the rule of the Spirit Ans. The word of God and the Spirit is one Quest Is not the written word of God that Rule Answ It s that which doth declare of that Spirit Quest Are you more sent then another man to do this Answ No otherwise but as the Father and the Lord is manifested in me and to no other but him that knowes the indwellings of God Quest Have any persons said or written that your Mother is a Virgin and your birth immortal Ans. I remember such expressions Quest Do you own this Ans. Not according to the natural birth Quest Do you own it according to the spiritual An. I am born of the immortal seed Quest Who was your Mother according to your spiritual birth An. No man knowes but he that hath it Quest You can tell who was your Mother To this no answer Quest Do you own your birth immortal An. Yea according to the spirit Q Had your birth any beginning you say it is immortal An. If thou speakest to the visible I had but not otherwise Q. Who is the Father of your spiritual birth An. I have told you Quest Who is your Mother the Virgin Mary An. I have not said I was born of the Virgin Mary but there is a womb that you know not of Quest Do you own the title to be him in whom the hope of Israel stands An. As Christ is in me Qun As Christ is in you are you he in whom the hope of Israel stands An. Yea. Qu. What are those hopes that Israel have in you more then another An. None but those that have it can give account of it Qu. What hope is it that they can give account of Answered not Qu. Have any called you the everlasting Son of righteousness is he manifested in thy flesh An. He is manifested in the flesh I do not deny Qu. Are you the Prince of peace An. I own him the everlasting Prince of peace begotten in me Qu. When those titles were given to you did you reprove them An. I spake not to those that did it but to the Letter I know it would not bear with some Qu. Have any call'd you by the name of Jesus An. Not as unto the visible but as to Jesus the Christ that is in me Qu. Dost thou own that name King of Israel An. Not as a creature but if they give it Christ within me he hath a Kingdom of which thou wottest not Q. Did any worship you and kisse your feet in the prison An I do not mind it Qu. Do you remember it An. I may be they might Qu. Is there that worship due to you which was to Christ An. If they did it to the visible they were too blame but if to the invisible that worship is due to me according to my measure as was due * to Christ Quest Then you say that worship was due to that which you call the invisible in you to you as was given to Christ at Jerusalem Ans. Yea. Qu. When you were askt at Bristol are you the King of Israel did you say thou hast said it An. I cannot tell whether I said it there but I do say it here if they had known the Father they had known me also Qu. What estate have you how are you maintained in your Travels An. I take little care for that Qu. Who provides for you An. Him that clothes the Lillies Qu. How dost thou live by bread An. I live by the word of the Lord Qu. Do you live by that only An. So long as it pleaseth the Father I do Qu. How long have you fasted without bread An. Some weeks Qu. How many weeks An. Two or three Qu. Did you live without any food all that time An. Yea. Qu. Did any offer you any food in that time An. Yea many did but I refused and lived by the word of the Lord Here I have only given account briefly of his Examinations at London which I hoped would at large have come forth by some faithful hand it being presented to the House by the Committee in fifteen sheets of paper as then taken from his own mouth but waiting a full year and no such thing appearing I have the easier been perswaded to publish it I shall here insert the Examination only of Dorcas Erbury one of his Disciples who indeed spake without juggling downright the sense of them all The Examination of Dorcas Erbury before the Magistrates of Bristol Octob. 27. 1656. Quest Where do you live Ans. With Margaret Thomas of Bristol Quest Why did you sing Holy holy c. before James Nailer when he rode in Ans. I did not sing then but they that did were call'd to it by the Lord Quest They call'd him that rode on the Horse the holy one of Israel Is he so Ans. Yea he is so and I will seal it with my blood Quest And is he the only begotten Son of God ☞ Answ He is the only begotten Son of God Quest Why did you so honour him as to pull off his stockins and put your Cloathes under his feet Ans. Because he is the Lord of Israel and is worthy of it Quest Do you know no other Jesus
As to what he did Answ. But this man after he had offered one Sacrifice for ever sat down at the right hand of God But believing soul to thee I desire to speak see and behold what he did when he stood in our stead to grapple with his Fathers wrath for us And all we shall see it out of that Gospel already preached and received And if an Angel from Heaven preach any other Gospel let him be accursed Consider we then his first bleeding when for our sakes he submitted to the painful Ordinance of Circumcision whereby also we may receive much benefit it by faith the operation of the holy Spirit in our hearts being circumcised by the circumcision made without hands we apply it to our selves in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ Colos. 2.11 But I shall by and by let you see no lesse then eleven particular bleedings more which I trust will help affect our hearts and constrain us the more to love and obey him Let us in the next place consider his bleeding at the Mount of Olives And O that we could consider as we should his Agony there This this was his soul afflicting passion praying If thou be willing let this Cup passe from me three times And being in an Agony saith the Text he prayed more earnestly and his sweat Mark O soul was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground This earnestness in prayer was a wrestling to purpose even beyond Jacob's though he prevailed with God Consider O my soul also the willingness of thy Saviour after this deep Agony and great conflict with his Father he knowing all things that should come upon him goes forth and meets the traytor and his company and said unto them Whom seek ye Now as thou seest the readiness of thy Saviour so behold also the malice of the enemy their readiness saith the Text And as soon as it was day the Elders of the people and the chief Priests and Scribes came together and led him into their Counsel As soon as it was day they did it Here was no Respite to the true Jesus Then if we consider his Executioners they are not men of an effeminate spirit but saith the Text These things therefore the Souldiers did who as the Prophet hath it are men brutish and skilful to destroy yea and to deceive too who are men burning saith the Margin their rage and malice sets them on fire and then who can stand before it Oh soul to help thee yet further to mourn over thy dear Saviour consider these men Souldiers are not only skilful to destroy but its a passe-time to them witness that saying of two great Souldiers Abner and Joab And Abner said to Joab Let the young men now arise and play before us And Joab said Let them arise and they did c. And now oh my soul look upon thy dear Jesus this true Jesus is scourged indeed in earnest it was not a mock-punishment his sacred body was whipt to purpose so that if the Spouse should be asken What is thy beloved more than another beloved she might answer Now my beloved is black and blew not white and ruddy And after this none comes to wash supple his stripes but immediately delivered into the hands of these merciless men Souldiers And concerning his whipping Histories tell us That their whips were of small cord wires that so every stroak might tear the flesh Ah my dear Jesus Soul canst thou think his sweet body was not torn to purpose by them when that wretch Pilate delivered him up to their will Do what you will with him was ever any Malefactor so delivered up Mark what St. Luke saith And he released unto them him that for sedition and murder was cast into prison whom they had desired but he delivered Jesus to their will to do with him what they would So one Translation After this the Souldiers took Jesus into the Common Hall and they stript him the Souldiers did Soul dost thou think it was gently done no no this fetcht I suppose bloud Holy Jesus from thy sweet but very sore body again After this they put on him a Roab as they call it and when they had platted a Crown of thorns they the Souldiers put it upon his head Soul dost thou think it was tenderly done It may be they handled it so but they did not head it so Now behold the bloud of thy Saviour from his sacred head thy head running down every way And when they had fastned the Crown then they put a Reed in his right hand and they bowed the knee before him who indeed was worthy to be worshipped though they mocked him saying Hail King of the Jewes And they spat upon him the Souldiers did and smote him with their hands and took the Reed and smote him on the head Ah dear soul fresh bleeding with a witness for such mens blowes when enraged are not light his sweet cheeks and sacred head felt the weight of their fingers Now Soul look into the face of thy dear Saviour and see how those sweet Cheeks are besmeared with bloud and spitting will not this draw teares oh heart harder than the neather Mill-stone again After they had mocked him they took the Roab off from him Gently no no the Souldiers did it and did not the plucking off of this woollen Garment by such men fetch blood again doubtless O soul thy Saviour bled a fresh do not we know how tedious it is to have a little woollen cling but to a small soare Oh! How was then the plucking off that coat from my Saviours body so gored in blood by such merciless men And yet all this is but preparation to crucifixion Now my soul now eye thy Saviour in this pickle bearing that which after bore him his Crosse so St. John hath it questionless bleeding as he went with drops to the ground for though they took the Reed out of his hand and smote him therewith and that on the head and took off their mocking Roab yet we do not read that they took off his real Crown of thorns which caused a continual bleeding Well now he comes to his crucifying And when Christ was on the Crosse he said to his Mother Woman behold thy Son so say I oh my soul I Soul behold thy Saviour layd upon his Crosse and behold one hand nayled and by and by thou shalt see another harmless hand nayled and then his lovely feet successively Mark oh soul not feet making haste to shed innocent blood but those feet of his were pierced that were innocent and yet readily carried him to shed his own blood for others that were guilty indeed soul Is this a truth did his lovely feet thus carry him to that place where for thee they were thus