Selected quad for the lemma: spirit_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
spirit_n	father_n	holy_a	prayer_n	6,254	5	6.1558	4	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
B13698	A dialogue or conference betweene Irenæus and Antimachus, about the rites and ceremonies of the Church of England: by Samuel Gardiner, Doctor of Diuinitie	Gardiner, Samuel, b. 1563 or 4.	1605 (1605)	STC 11575; ESTC S102819	49,951	71

thereof are so countenanced by the king and state I feare you are not conformable to the discipline of the Church and so haue offended the law in that case for which you are so censured Antimachus True this is the onelye argument of my trouble Irenaeus And why may not you with a good conscience digest the orders of the Church as well as others that are graue and learned and are not to be touched with Popery for order and peace sake Antimachus I haue many reasons whie indeede and in conscience I can not Iren I pray let vs heare them Antimachus It is to no purpose to tell them you for they will not mooue you for you will be an absolute formalist when I haue saide what I can and you can conceiue what they are Iren. Though I conceiue most of them yet I would gladly heare them all and conferre with you about them and if your reasons be better than mine I shall promise you to turne coppy and to be of your mind requiring the like condition at your hands if in disputation I shal vanquish you And this is an equal course of both sides which no scholler shoulde refuse and wee haue both of vs been schollers in in our time Antimachus I know enough in these matters already and they are without disputation or question Irenaeus I would not haue any that beareth the name of a scholler to say so There is none so learned but by reading and conference he may adde more to his learning It was Solons saying one of the Sages of Greece senesco semper multa addiscens And Marcus Antonius the Emperour only to learne somthing from his mouth often went to visit Sextius the philosopher at his house saying Pulchrum senescenti discere It is cōmendable in an old man to learne And Saluius Iulianus a woorthy lawyer was wont to say though he had one foote in the graue that he would still learne Yea he that is most learned may learn of another as Moses did of lethro Antimachus Well I am content Let vs then walke and talke together Irenaeus But will you then yeelde if you haue the weaker side and subscribe to the orders of the Church Antimachus I will And you againe will reuerse your present mind and concur in iudgement with me if I snall perswade my cause by better reason Irenaeus Else it were no bargaine I will with all my hart Antimachus Then begin when you will Irenaeus But let vs begin with prayer and so we shall speed the better Antimachus It is well said I like that wel conceiue you the prayer and I shall ioyne with you Irenaeus O Lord thou hast giuen vs thy holy word as a lantern to our feete and a light vnto our pathes illuminate our vnderstanding thou that art the father of lights with the light of thy spirit and let the sunne beames of thy holy word shine vpon our heartes that the eye of our inward man may be opened and we may see the trueth and follow it in loue and with one mind glorifie thy name and seeke the peace and tranquillity of the Church and the common saluation Amen Antimachus Amen Irenaeus Well then Antimachus that we may haue some ground to stand on what are the points that you stand vpon that you do mislike Antimachus I differ chiefly from you in two points namely in the garments of the ministers and especially in the surplesse but most of all in the crosse in baptisme Irenaeus Why in the garments Antimachus 1. First because this distinction of garments that are enioyned vs doe properly appertaine to the priesthood of Aaron which is now out of date and is not to be reuersed answer me to that Irenaeus That is a knot easie to be vndone and I thus aunswer you In the law and priesthood of Aaron there were sacraments by which it pleased God to consigne his promises of Christ that was to come all which I acknowledge to be repealed and that we are to beleeue that Christ is giuen and is not now to be giuen and other new signes and charters of his promises in the roome of the old being ordained vnder the gospell by the Lord himself which are bread and wine we are not to bring into vse againe the old seales and markes But yet notwithstanding there were there some actions that were of that nature as they could not kindlie be called sacraments for they serued for decencie and order and some apt vse which as hauing good congruitie with the light of nature and somwhat appertaining to our good I am of the mind that they may be reuiued and retayned who doth not know that the Apostles for the peace and fellowship of the faithfull did giue in commaundement to the Church that they should abstaine from thinges offered to Idols and from bloud and that is strangled which questionlesse were prouisoes in the law belonging to the priesthood of Aaron if we will generally respect what that law deliuered Tythes also are in vse in most churches which we shal not find mentioned in the new Testament which we doubt not to be due by the law of god now it being as free for any Christian magistrate to deduct ciuill lawes from the Iewish policie as for the Romanes to borrow from the Athenians and some cities of Germanie from the Venetians certaine of their ordinances Moses was the captaine lawgiuer with whome Theseus Romulus Minos Numa Solon are no way to be compared We also giue instance of Psalmes and Hymnes which take not I suppose any authority from the lawe of the gospell but they haue very good foundation in the old charter Moreouer Ambrose expounding the fourteenth chapter and 26. verse of the first epistle to the Corinthians plainly sayth that the manner of prophecying there deliuered by Paul was borrowed from the synagogues and brought into our churches We haue also festiuall dayes in remembrance of the birth death resurrection ascension of our Sauiour Christ Shall we abolish all these because they haue so nigh neighbourhood and cognation with the old legall and leuiticall ceremonies Antimachus You haue here opened a gap to manie superstitions as to holy water perfumes and infinite such trinkets Irenaeus Not so for we replie further that there is a meane and moderation to be holden in the entertaining of primatiue ceremonies that the church be not aggrauated or surcharged with these things and that we are not to giue any religion vnto them as there was to holy water incense and such things Againe we warne Christians to be cautelous that they endanger not their Christian liberty that albeit some antienter ceremonies be restored yet they be not so receiued as necessary to saluation But so to tolerate and vse them as when it shall seeme good by higher powers they may as superfluous or little profitable grow out of vse as it may well be done in these garments when it shall please our commaunders In the meane while let vs be contented and