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A76258 Certamen religiosum or, a conference between His late Majestie Charles King of England, and Henry late Marquess and Earl of Worcester, concerning religion; at His Majesties being at Raglan Castle, 1646. Wherein the maine differences (now in controversie) between the Papists and the Protestants is no lesse briefly then accuratly discusss'd and bandied. Now published for the worlds satisfaction of His Majesties constant affection to the Protestant religion. By Tho: Baylie Doctor in Divinity and Sub-Deane of Wels. Bayly, Thomas, d. 1657?; Charles I, King of England, 1600-1649.; Worcester, Henry Somerset, Marquis of, 1577-1646. 1649 (1649) Wing B1506; Thomason E1355_1; ESTC R209153 85,962 251

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Christ was first published by him i Luth. Ep. ad Argent An. 1525. and by all of you that he was the first reformer this is he who cals himself a more excellent Doctor then all those who are in the papacy k Epist ad Anonymum tom 5. This is he who thus brags of himselfe viz. Dr. Martin Luther wil have it so a Papist and an Asse are directly the same so is my will such is my command my will is my reason l Luth. tom 5. Germ. fol. from 141. to 144. This is he that tels you I will have you to know that I will not hereafter vouchsafe you the honour as that I will suffer either you or the very Angels of heaven to judge of my doctrine c. Nor will I have my doctrine judged by any no not by the Angels themselves for I being certain thereof will by it be judge both of you and the Angels m Luth. ad ves falso nomin Eccles stat prope init And lastly this is he that gave the alarme to all Christendome of the errors idolatries superstitions and prophannes of the Church of Rome but what Scriptures have you for it that you should not believe the Scriptures what Fathers have you that you should not believe the Church what custome have you that you should not believe the Fathers rather then any private interpretation the promised holy Ghost alwaies ruling in the Church rather then the presumed private Spirit in any particular man The Church of Geneva NOw for the Church of Geneva Calvin comming after him is not contented to stop himselfe at Luthers bounds but he goes further and detracts not only from the Scripture but from Christ and God himself For first He maintaines that three essences doe arise out of the holy Trinity a Tract theol p. 793. That the Sonne hath his substance distinct from the Father and that he is a distinct God from the Father b Act. Serv. p. 249 250. 871 872. He teacheth that the Father can neither wholly nor by parts communicate his nature to Christ but must withall be deprived thereof himself c Tract theol p. 771 772. He denies that the Sonne is begotten of the Father substance d 1 Instit ca 13. sect 23. 29. and essence affirming that he is God of himself not God of God d He saies that that dream of the absalute power of God which the School-men have brought in is execrable blasphemy e Calv. ad cap. 23. Ezech. gal script also Instit li. 3. c. 23. sect 2. He saith that where it is said that the Father is greater then I it hath been restrained to the humane nature of Christ but I do not doubt to extend it to him as God and man f Tract theol p. 794. see p. 792. 2. Instit ca. 14. sect 3. and ca. 17. Jo. v. 12. and ca. 22. Math. He severeth the person of the Mediator from Christs divine person maintaining with Nestorius 2 persons in Christ the one humane and the other divine g L. 1. Instit ca. 13. sect 9. 23 ' 24. That Christs soule was subject to ignorance and that this was the only difference betwixt us and him that our infirmities are of necessity and this was voluntary h In Ca. 2. Luke v. 40. That it is evident that ignorance was common to Christ with the Angels i In ca. 24 Mat. v. 36. And particulariseth wherein viz. that he knew not the day of Judgement k In ca. 24. Mat. v. 36. Nor that the Fig-tree was barren which he cursed till he came near it l In c. 21 Mat. v. 19. also ib. c. 9. v. 2. He is not afraid to censure certaine words of Christ to be but a weak confutation of what he sought to refute m In c. 12. Mat. v. 25. And saies Christ seemes here not to reason solidly n Id in c. 9. Mat. v. 5. He tels us that this similitude of Christ seemes to be harsh and farre fetch'd and a little after the similitude of sifting doth not hang together o Calv in c. 16. 22. Luk Where Christ inferred All things therefore whatsoever you will c. Calvin giveth it this glosse It is a supurfluous or vaine illation p In c. 7. Mat. v. 12. This metaphor of Christ is somewhat harsh q In c. 9. Mat. v. 49. He saith insomuch as Christ should promise from God a reward to fasting it was an improper speech r In Mat. c. 9. v. 16 17 18. He writeth of a saying of Christ that it seemes to be spoken improperly and absurdly in French sans raison s In c. 3. ●oan v. 21. He saith that Christ refused and denyed as much as lay in him to performe the office of a Mediator t In c. 26. Mat v. 39. That he manifested his own effeminateness by his shunning of death u Ca 12. Jo. v. 27. He saith that Theeves and malefactors hasten to death with obstinate resolution dispising it with haughty courage others mildly suffer it but what constancy stoutness or courage was there in the son of God who was astonished and in a manner striken dead with fear of death how shamefull a tendernesse was it to be so far tormented with fear of common death as to melt in bloudy sweat and not to be able to be comforted but by the fight of Angels w Li 2. Instit ca. 16. Ser 22. And that the same vehemency took him from the present memory of the heavenly decree so that he forgot at that instant that he was sent hither to be our redeemer a In c. 26. Mat v. 39. This prayer of Christ was not premeditate but the force and extremity of grief wringed from him this hasty speech to which a correction was presently added and a little before he chastiseth and recalleth that vow of his which he had let suddainly slip b Id 16. Thus do we see Christ to be on all sides so vexed as being over-whelmed with desperation he ceased to call upon God which was as much as to renounce his salvation and this saith he a little before was not fained or as a thing only acted upon a stage c In c. 27. Mat v. 46 47. That Christ in his soul suffered the terrible torments of a damned and for saken man d L. 2. Instit c. 16. Sect 10. In the death of Christ occurs a spectacle full of desperation e In c. 27. Mat v. 57. In this spectacle there was nothing but matter of extreame despaire f In c. 14. Joan v. 6. It is no marvell if it be said that Christ went down into Hell since he suffered that death wherewith God in wrath striketh wicked doers g L. 2. Instit ca 6. Sect 10. That Christ sitting at the right hand of his Father holds but a second degree with him in honour and
b Chrys in 1. Cor. Hom. 24. withoutward gestures and adoration as the true and proper body of Christ Then the Church believed the body of Christ to be in the Sacrament c Cyrill Alex. Ep. ad Caesar pat Even besides the time that it was in use and for this cause kept it after Consecration for Domesticall Communions d Cypr. de lapsu to give to the sick e Eu●eb hist li. 7. to carry upon the Sea f Ambr. de obiit Sayer to send into far provinces g Euseb hist li. 1. Then she believed that Communion under both kinds was not necessarie for the sufficiencie of participation but that all the body and all the bloud was taken in either kind and for this cause in Domesticall Communions in Communions for children for sick persons by Sea and at the hour of death it was distributed under one kind onely Then the Church believed i Cypr. ad caecil ep 63. that h Paulin in vita Ambr. Tertul. ad ux c. 55. Basil epist ad Caesar pat the Eucharist was a true full and intire sacrifice not onely Eucharistical but k Euseb de vita Const l. 4. propitiatory and offered it as well for the living l Chrys in 1. Cor. hom 41. as the dead The faithfull and devout people of the Cburch then made pilgrimages to m Basil in 40. Martyrs the bodies of the Martyrs n Ambr. de vid. prayd to the Martyrs to pray to God for them o Aug in Psal 63. and 88. celebrated their feasts p Hier. and Marcell ep 17. reverenced their reliques in all honourable formes and when they had received help from God by the intercession of the said Martyrs q Theod. de Gr. aff l. 8. they hung up in the temples and upon the Altars erected to their memory images of those parts of their bodies that had been healed The Church then held r Basil de Sanct. Spirit the Apostolicall traditions to be equall to the Apostolicall writings and held for Apostolicall traditions all that the Church of Rome now imbraceth under that title She then offered prayers for the dead a Tertul. de mon. Aug de verb. Ap. both publick and private to the end to procure for them ease and rest and held this custome as a thing b August de cura pro mort necessary for the refreshment of their souls The Church then held the fast c Hier. ad Marcell ep 54. of the fourty dayes of lent for a custome not free but necessary and of Apostolicall tradition And out of the time of Penticost fasted all the frydayes in the years in memory of the death of Christ except Christmas-day fell on a fryday d Epiph. in Compen which she then excepted as an Apostolicall tradition The Church then held e Epiph. Cont. Apost Haeres 51. marriage after the vow of Virginity to be a sin and reputed f Chrys ad Theod. Hier. Cont. Jov. li. 1. those who married together after their vowes not only for adulterers but also for incestuous persons The Church held then g Cypr. Caecil epist 63. mingling of water with wine in the sacrifice of the Eucharist for a thing necessary of Divine and Apostolicall tradition She held then h Aug. de pec orig ca. 40. exorcismes exsufflations and renunciations which are made in baptisme for sacred ceremonies and of Apostolicall tradition She held then i Aug. Cont. pet li. 3. ca. 4. besides baptisme and the Eucharist Confirmation k Aug de nupt Conc. c. 17. marriage l Ambr. de paenit c. 7. Orders and extream Unction for true and proper Sacraments which the Church of Rome now acknowledgeth The Church in the ceremonies of baptisme used then o Cyp. epist 70. oyl p Conc. Carth. 3. c. 5. salt q Greg Naz de bapt wax-lights r Aug ep 10. exorcismes ſ Aug. Cont. Jul. lib. 6. c. 8. the Leo 1. epist n Aug Cont. parm li. 2. c. 13. sign of the cross a Ambr. de sacr l. 1. the word Ephata and other things that accompany it none of them without reason and excellent signification The Church held then b Aug de an evis orig l. 3. c. 15. Baptisme for infants of absolute necessity and for this cause then permitted c Tertul de bapt lay men to baptise in danger of death the Church used then holy water consecrated by certain words and ceremonies and made use of it both for baptisme d Basil de S. Spirit c 17. and e Epiph. haer 30. against inchantments and to make f Tbeod Hist Eccles l. 5. c. 3. exorcismes and conjurations against evil spirits The Church held then divers degrees in the Ecclesiasticall Regiment to wit g Concil Laod. c. 24. Concil Carth. 4. 6. 2. Bishops Priests Deacons Subdeacons the Acolite Exorcist Reader and Porter consecrated and blessed them with divers Forms and Ceremonies And in the Episcopall Order acknowledged divers seats of Jurisdiction of positive right to wit Archbishops Primates Patriarchs h Hier. ad Damasc Epist 57. Concil Chal. ep ad leon one Supereminent by Divine law which was the Pope without whom nothing could be decided appertaining to the universal Church and the want of whose presence either by himself or his Legats or his Confirmation made all Councels pretended to be universall unlawfull In the Church then the service was said throughout the east in greek and throughout the west k Aug Epist 57. de Doct. Christ lib. 2. c. 13. as well in Africa as in Europe in Latin although that in none of the provinces except in Italy and the Cities where the Romane Colonies resided the latin tongue was understood by the common people She observed then the i Hier. praef in paralip distinction of feasts k Aug Epist 118. Psal 63. 38. and ordinary dayes the Distinction of l Hier. ad He. Ep 3. Theod. Hist Eccles l. 2. c. 27. Ecclesiasticall and lay habits the m Op●a● l. 1. p. 19. reverence of sacred vessels the custome of n Theod. Hist l. 5. c. 8. Isid de Diu off l. 1. c. 4. shaming and o Greg. Naz. de pac or 1. unction for the collation of orders the Ceremony of the p Cyrill Hier Cat Mat. 5. Priest washing his hands at the Altar before the consecration of the mysteries She then q Concil Laod c. 9. pronounced a part of the service at the Altar with a low voice made r Aug de Civit Dei l 2 2. c. 8. processions with the reliques of Martyrs ſ Hier. Cont Vigil kissed them t Hier Con. Vigil carried them in clothes of silke and vessels of gold u Hier c. Vigil took and esteemed the dust from under their reliquaries accompained the dead to their sepulchres with w Greg Naz