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A10910 [The displaying of an horrible secte of grosse and wicked heretiques, naming themselues the family of loue with the liues of their authours and what doctrine they teach in corners. Newly set foorth by I.R. Whereunto is added certeine letters sent from the same family mainteyning their opinions, which letters are aunswered by the same J.R.] Rogers, John, fl. 1560-1580.; Batman, Stephen, d. 1584. 1579 (1579) STC 21182; ESTC S100037 92,004 238

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will stay some of GODS children from running headlong into that bewitched snare And also suche matter as by disputation and conference with some of the same familie I haue boulted out I will declare For in déede the Authour in his Bookes doeth not deale so plainely as one being ledde by the spirite of GOD whereof he boasteth but verie subtilely and darkely and so as the iudgement of many godly and learned men to whom I haue deliuered his Bookes vppon the reading of the same haue testified that there is no matter in the Authour that may bée drawen into argument but that it séemeth to be as a riddle or darke speeche and therefore more intricate to be followed And as his tearmes and phrases are geyson and vnwoonted so they doe dasell the simple with an admiration of a prudent spirite to be in the Authour which of meane wits can neither be comprehended nor vnderstoode And when the Kabbynes of that Family whome they tearme Illuminate Elders haue béene pressed by me and others to giue a reason why the Authour hath so cunningly and subtilely dealt not expressing his minde in plaine tearmes and spéeche the best answere that hath béene made is that the Authour hath writen in the Dutch tongue which wanteth his grace and eloquence béeing turned into our rude Englishe But if I might be bolde to replye without offence his rude stile béeing written in the Dutch tongue is rather beautified by translation then impayred for I haue some copyes in Dutche some in Latin and some in English wherein the Authors barbarous stile and his ignoraunce is verie muche manifested although some of his schollers haue put too their helping handes to garnishe this their barbarous ▪ Author especially the booke intituled Euangelium Regni which is translated into Latin exactly I would to GOD the matter did answere the goodnesse of the tongue And if I should diligently séeke out of what forge the Authour Henrie Nicholas hath fyled his heresies I am certeinly persuaded that one Dauid George was the founder hatcher and bréeder of all this mischiefe and Henrie Nicholas but a disciple or scoller of the same Dauid What this Dauid was you may perceiue by that which is set downe before whose errours also for a tast I will set downe in part as they are collected by the gouernour of the vniuersitie of Basill that all men may sée that an euil authour hath bred a worse scholer And thereby shall be perceiued that Dauid George his opinions differ nothing from H. N. but are so like in wicked boasting that they haue the spirit of God that a man may thereby say an euill father hath begotten a worse sonne Articles taken out of Dauid George AL doctrine taught by Moyses the Prophetes and Christe himselfe are not sufficient to saluation but onely to keepe the people in good order till the comming of me Dauid George but my doctrine is able to saue all those that put their trust therin 2 Dauid George doth further say that he is the right Mes●ias the beloued sonne of the Father not borne of the fleshe but of the holy Ghost and when Christ was dead according to the flesh the spirite of Christe was kept at the fathers appointment vntill the comming of Dauid George and giuen to him 3 He saith that he will set vp the true house of Dauid the children of Le●●● and he will raise the tabernacle of God through the spirite of Christe not by the crosse and suffering but ▪ through me●knesse and loue 4 He saith that whosoeuer speaketh against his doctrine shall neuer bee forgiuen neither in this worlde nor in the world to come These I haue set downe as the doctrine of Dauid George founde in his books And bicause their doctrin may be better viewed and séene how they agrée in wicked diuelish phantasies of their own deuice set on by the father of lies our ancient enimie to be a stumbling blocke vnto the simple and to darken and blemish the ioyful procéeding of the glorious Gospell of Christ Iesus which almightie God hath in mercy reuealed to nations kingdomes most plentifully mauger the malice of the diuell and all his children I haue therefore here placed certaine sayinges of H. N. which are word for worde taken out of his bookes that the diligent reader may sée how in wicked boasting they agrée what vile doctrine they publish The errours of H. N. taken out of his owne bookes translated into English. 1 For the being of God or essence gaue foorth his sounde and voyce and spake vnto me H. N. through his spirite of loue all these wordes he sayde Speaking against the Churche he saith 2 For that cause if thou now account not thy selfe for an whore but esteemest thee for the faythfull espoused wise of Christe my iealous conceiuing cannot stande otherwise towardes thee but that thou art a presumptuous whore whiche dissemblest and playest the hypocrite with Christe and couertly committest whoredome and neuerthelesse wilt bee iudged as a faythfull espoused wife of Christe So Shalt thou presenly be constrained to drinke the bitter cursed water of my iealousie 3 All that God hath spoken through his holie Prophetes and what is written of Christ should also in vs and with vs become fulfilled to the honor and glorie of God and to our ioy Out of a Dialogue betweene the father and the sonne Chap. 17. the son concludeth with these wordes SEeing nowe that I my Father haue found out in deede that our Lord the moste highest hath reuealed his mercie seate the possession of his most excellent Maiestie and heauenly riches in thee and with the same beeing of the perfect Godhead made a godly dwelling with thee so were it meete that all the generations of the ●arth submit them selues vnder the same mercie seate and Godly Maiestie and assemble them therevnto Here maiest thou sée these two men boasting thē selues in their presumption and pride of minde to haue the spirit of God the one saying that the same spirit which was in Christ Iesus when hee liued on earth is nowe in Dauid George which is horible blasphemie● and abaseth Moyses the Prophets and Christe him selfe in whose doctrine the certaintie of our faith is firmely fixed against which the gates of hell shal not preuaile promiseth to bring the house of Dauid and the children of Leuie into great prosperitie and to set ▪ them vp not with painful suffring as Christ our Lord in him self hath perfourmed left to vs his children example to follow his steppes in suffering miserie that we might reigne with him in glory but he promiseth to bring his disciples into that glory through méeknesse and loue which in deede is the pleasanter way to be followed if we consider fleshe and bloud H. N. he following his father in like blasphemie auoucheth that he hath talked with God not by inspiration or reuelation but by giuing foorth his sound voyce Then placeth himselfe in Christes
sinners c. but repent least that chaunce to you that came vpon them And againe looke I pray you howe you stumble in your owne tale You would prooue that none hath receiued their ministerie from the mouth of God you'speake of Paule did not Christ speake to him after his ascention from heauen and I pray you tell mee what ministration that euer was true came frō other then Gods owne mouth you are taught to flee such boasters like enough for so Satan hath alwayes taught his children And as concerning the badge whereby you woulde knowe them is as you set downe by publique declaration which is vtterly false For Moyses onely shewed his ministration to the Israelites Abraham to his children Noc to his familie Lott to his housholde and all the Prophets to Gods peculier children the Apostles in priuate houses c. And nowe to be short the disciples of Christe ▪ or his worde which are taught by the doctrine of Christ our sauiour out of the mouth of H. N. do confesse freely before all men the ground of their faith and religion and though you will not credit it yet it doth not followe that it is not so except this reason as God forbid should alwayes holde like as it hath holden of late Because men say I am a theefe therefore no proofe of lawe the testimonie of my neyghbours with whome I liue nor mine owne words against so simple an alligation must be permitted but all is vntrue nowe except it be to proue your false words slaunderous brutes trewe Here we finde will and vniustice on your parte to haue more rule then equitie or good reason And nowe therefore master Rogers will I euen out of loue to an admonition of you to your preseruation display vnto you a little of the difference betwixt the doctrine of H. N. yours He exhorteth according to the doctrine of Iesus Christ mentioned in the Scriptures to true repent●unce godly loue an vpright faith and dutifull obedience c. euen like as many of you at this day in words do but yet he with more power for he manifesteth according to the trueth that none among all the children of men shal be found meete in the sight of the Lord to beare the names of Christians boast they neuer so much of their Christianitie freedome or iustification by Christe in their vnregenerated life as they wil which hath not submitted them selues in true repentance vnder the obedience of Gods holie lawe which is administred vnto them in the seruice of Loue for to become first disciples of the same worde to a reformation of their owne wayes and not to go presently foorth with the knowledge and teach others as you do before they be come taught and reformed thereby neyther yet to iudge others therwith as you now do before they be come first iudged thereby which he calleth the true baptisme in the name of the father And then being so taught vnto Iesus Christ in the holie lawe to take vp in the beleefe their crosse daily on them with Christ against the sinne which he calleth the true baptisme in the name of the Sonne vntill that Christe which is the way the trueth and the life it selfe haue gotten a liuing shape or fourme in them by faith and that they through the Spirite of loue or Christ be raised vp againe in a newe life which he calleth the true baptisme in the name of the holy Ghost wherevnto all the Familie of Loue or of God at this day are louingly called and doe meane by Gods assistance most earnestly to endeuour themselues but yet with much more quietnesse mought they haue rest by such enimies to all godlynesse as you are Although you be vnaquainted with this doctrine ▪ or rather true baptisme here following yet would wee not therefore haue you belye vs according to your accustomed manner and saye that we deny the holy sacrament therof And although this infallible Christian doctrine of Loue Faith Obedience and Life which is taught by H. N. in the seruice of Loue accordeth with all Scriptures remaineth yet vnknowen much lesse practised amongst you free ones or Lybertines and this true repentance which is taught vnder the obedience of the holy lawe of God the Father this true crosse of Iesus Christ which is taught vnder the obedience of the beleefe of God the Sonne and this true resurrection or newenesse of life which is taught vnder the obedience of the loue of God the holie Ghoste is nowe blasphemed despised and resisted as an vnneedefull thing of you yet is the same neuerthelesse by the Familie of Loue or of God found to be the olde and true way corespondent with all the doctrine of the Apostles of Iesus Christ and therefore so needefull that without it looke ouer the Scriptures againe so m●ny as be wise among you there shall no man finde mercie with God or els through Iesus Christ become saued Then Alas master Rogers ▪ alas what haue you done I hope nothing yet but out of ignorance I would then you woulde looke better into the matter for if H. N. be a minister of the Lord then you haue much ouershot your selfe I leaue Stephan Bateman to the righteous iudgement of the Lord as one in whome there is small hope of any goodnesse Wherefore the Lorde God for his Christes sake graunt you eyes of vnderstanding and a repentant heart to aske forgiuenesse for so maliciously blaspheming Gods loue and trueth extended towardes vs out of mercie vndeserued and to aske mercie for deprauing such a gratious worke of God published forth nowe in the last time to all mens preseruation that desire to walke ▪ therein whereof we shal be right glad and then shal you be deliuered from that lying spirite which nowe seeketh like as in times past with moste horrible slaunders lyes to deface all good all such as indeuour themselues therevnto So shal it come to passe to Gods glorie your saluation our comfort Amen Your vnknowen friend The aunswere of I. R. to ▪ the letter of the Familie I Receiued a letter from you as from an vnknowē friend conteining matter inuectiue against my booke as also verie many contumelious slaunderous speaches touching my honestie both which to aunswere you shall finde me readie and willing although not with like speach of disdaine sauouring of the spirite of enuie and not of loue To all which speach touching my honestie this shall serue for answere the Lord deale so and so betwéene vs as you vniustly charge me with waightes measures wares c but the contents of my booke disquieteth your moode the which you shal finde more large in aunswering 1 The first matter you tell me that no honest man woulde assay to defende so vnhonest attempts to defend my honestie I will not in this place my protestation shall serue but if the cause be dishonest then I am worthy great reprehension but you mistake me vtterly that I reprehend
saying I adiu●e and charge thee in the name of the liuing God whether thou bee Christe the sonne of God c. Let that whiche is secrete to God onely whereof no proofe can be made nor lawfull witnesse brought abide to the comming of the Lord which shall open all the secretes c. which councell if ye nowe followed poore men mought enioy libertie of good conscience without such stretching and strayning as is nowe vsed You also denye that euer any in the primitiue Churche taught a perfection to be attained in this life whereat wee much marueile for that wee knowe assuredly that the Apostles taught the perfection to be attained in this life of all and among all that could beleeue and stoode good willing thereto and so haue all that hath since taught Christ Iesus who is the perfection of all the workes of God. Is not this much ignoraunce that wee who acknowledge as wee saye Christ Iesus ▪ shoulde denye his perfection But it seemeth wee looke not for his shape to be wrought in vs as the Scriptures require Paule to the Corinthians 1. 13. Chapter But when that which is perfect is come then that which is vnperfect shal be done awaye c. You must agree with vs that all the holie ones from the beginning haue taught vs to leaue sinne and surely that doctrine lyketh vs best But all your citations are to defende and mainteine the sinne which seemeth to like you best For surely it were well that all true Christians should rather take parte with righteousnesse then be such aduocates for the sinne as moste men bee at these dayes Nowe further it seemeth moste straunge vnto vs where you also say you knowe not what wee meane concerning our confession made in our saide letters as concerning our true baptisme In the name of God the Father God the Sonne and of God the holie Ghoste which is the taking vp of our crosse and right direction vnto Christ who hauing then gotten in vs a liuing shape confirmeth vs through his holie spirite in an assured hope of his promises in the resurrection and in the euerlasting life yet as you graunt it may haue an apte application wee see not any other way to possesse the kingdome of heauen the whole newe estament is full giuing witnesse ther vnto But if ye haue founde out any easier way thereto so are not wee therein against you which till ye can let ds perceiue and feele wee pray you to suffer vs in rest by you in this our foolishnesse as wee do you vnhindered vnmolested and vnslaundered c. wee also say not as you imagin that our battaile is ended when wee are regenerate but wee say that Christe Iesus that man of God from heauen which is borne of God and in whome the seede of God remaineth and therefore sinneth not he hath the power to subdue his enimies end the battail in vs Wher you also say that H. N. hath not the spirite of God say moreouer that he teacheth meere contrarie doctrine to the Scriptures you haue therein think we entred verie farre into Gods secrets iudging also greatly of your self therin for it is nowe adays a common thing that euery man can say shewe mee a good man whē as in deed in their beholding none is better thē themselues therfore cannot beleeue that god hath such worke with any man as to bring any goodnes more thē thei haue to any other And further we know that with what mind a man beholdeth another in such forme he appeareth whome he beholdeth for a minde of enuie cannot discerne any paterne of Loue no more then a blacke Moore looking in a glasse can see his face altered into white coulour c. And as for difference which ye demaunde to knowe betweene you and vs wee haue fully answered you before by your owne wordes Nowe for our minde concerning Gods predestination take vs not therein so short for we allowe of it simplie and reuerently in his kinde and yet further also euen as the holie Scriptures allowe the same but wee like not to contende therin nor desperatly to seeke libertie of life thereby neither foolishly to serch for things therein aboue our capacities It seemeth also in your letters that ye feare our mindes stande not to agree with you in your iustification by Christ in your acknowledging your selues to be sinners in your weakenesse in perfourming the lawe and that we seuer vs from you therein wherein ye are too much deceiued for wee acknowledge our iustification to bee had by none other meanes but alone in by and through the death passion resurrection of Iesus Christ our Lorde and Sauiour wee daily confesse our selues to he moste myserable sinners and of our selues altogether vnable to perfourme the lawe and therefore wee acknowledge and stedfastly beleeue the onely possibilitie to consist in the Lorde our God through Iesus Christ our righteousnesse and waite for the same whatsoeuer you or any other say of vs to the contrarie Ye say further to be like vnto Christe or to haue his Image is to be vnderstoode to be like minded vnto him who did nat sinne but that priuiledge say you onely apperteineth to him and not to vs then in vaine as it seemeth by your wordes was this written vnto the congregations Let the same minde be in you that was in Christ Iesus c. But as we haue saide the power thereto is not in vs but in him But you take part ouermuch with the sinne as we thinke and we ouermuch with the righteousnesse as you thinke And because we are enimies to our vttermost through the might of Christ against the sinne you vniustly imagin therefore of vs as that we of our owne power without Christ meaned to subdue the same but farre be that from our thoughtes and surely who so sayeth so of vs slaundereth vs muche Nowe further you say you are not enimie to our persons which wee would be glad to see for we are taught to forsake that false sinfull nature of the diuell that contrarie nature to God and to growe into that good louely being of God and Christe in the spirite whereby wee see no cause ye should bee enimie to so good doctrine neyther And as for Edmund L. you confesse as much of him as wee charged you with Further ye saye wee slyly meane H. N. by the white stone spoken of in the Apocalips But vnderstande we meane as the text importeth by all such as ouercome in that battaile and not by any one particulerly But thus much for certein note well such as haue no lust to ouercome in the crosse of Christe that earthly sinfull nature but haue much more lust to take parte therewith and yet notwithstanding doe claime a freedom with Gods holie ones in Iesus Christ in an vnrenewed minde knowe nothing therof for it is written no man knoweth that newe name saue alone he that receiueth it boast he neuer so much of his knowledge
liue vnder the obedience of any magistrate be he neuer so wicked or vngodly the Turke the Pope or whosoeuer 5 Item that they allowe a kinde of shrifte worse then Popish For where the Pope requireth but confession of the act cōmitted they will haue the thoughtes manifested and what our nature and inclination draweth vs vnto 6 Item they holde that the lawe of God is possible to be kept of euerie man that will indeuour himselfe thereto 7 Item that their authour H. N. is the true prophet of God sent to blowe the last trumpe of doctrine which shall be published vpon earth he only knoweth the true sence of the holie scripture 8 Item that his bookes are of equall authoritie with the holie scripture and are written with the same spirite 9 Item all is false and lyes whatsoeuer is taught or preached by any other then their Illuminate Elders in the Familie 10 Item they commend the Pope and Cardinals and allowe the Masse other their ceremonies The Bookes of H. N. which I haue seene 1 IN primis the first Epistle of H. N. 2 Item the first and second exhortation of H. N. 3 Item a diologue betweene the father and the sonne 4 Item the prophesie ●● the spirite of loue 5 Item the published peace vppon earth 6 Item the declaration of the masse 7 Item their Euangelium Regni 8 Item the true and spirituall Tabernacle 9 Item the new and heauenly Ierusalem 10 Item a confession of their faith newly made 11 Item sundrie Epistles of H. N. Bookes which I heare of and haue not seene 1 ITem two bookes intituled the glasse of righteousnesse 2 Item a Booke called the holy Lamb. The displaying of the Familie of Loue. WHen I considered the duetie of a Christian to consist in the true profession of Christ Iesus his name diligently to walke in the pathes and wayes manifested in his word and to séeke to beautifie and inrich that beloued spouse the Church of Christ sanctified by his bloude I could not holde backe my penne to publish such matter as I sée daily to blemishe that beloued bride I meane the Church of Christ and to haue crept in by the subtiltie of Sathan our professed enimy Hauing therefore gathered diuers notes of that cankered error of H. N. taken out of his bookes which I haue to shewe I had thought to haue stayed my hande from further frauell but being vrged by diuers of Gods children to manifest this my labour to the end that some nouices of that errour might if it were possible be stayed from further plunging themselues into that gulfe of impietie How the wicked take occasion by these like errours to speake euil of Christs Church the eares of many godly doe heare Especially the Papists who speak and write ▪ and nothing is heard more common in their mouthes then these tearms Ye are at variaunce amongst your selues no vnitie of doctrine is obserued ye are of diuers opinions and sectes But how vntruely they impute these maters vnto the church of Christ to euerie member of the same Church it is euident For if we consider the wisedome of God in gouerning his we shal perceiue that in all ages when Christes Church did most flourish in perfectiō then was errour and heresies moste rife as may wel appéere euen in the Apostles times by the Nicolaitans Ebionites Cerinthus and others How busily did the fathers in the primitiue Church withstand such heresies as crept in euen in that happie time Tertullianus the Valentinians Augustine the Donatistes and Athanas●●us the Arrians with infinit m● as by reading the Ecclesiasticall histories doeth well appeare Wherein what trauell hath béene taken what counsels called what Books written it were a wonder to behold But when corruption began by litle and litle to spread her selfe and got the face of a Church O how were dissentions appeased no varietie séemed to be where as in déede nothing was taught nor published but dreams deuises of men who leauing the certein and knowen wayes of y Lord reuealed in his word betoke thēselues to depend vpō the doctrines of men But if we descend into these last times wherein we liue and marke the wisedome of God in gouerning his Churche how he hath manifested his sonne Christ Iesus with an vncouered face to the great comfort of his children how the doting dreams of men are vanished how nothing but Christ Iesus is lifted vp with prayses as the immediate and only cause of our saluation how the true vse of workes is placed not as any cause but as the fruites of our instification And yet to sée how busily sathan enuying the prosperitie of Christes spouse endeuoureth daily in his mēbers to trouble and disquiet this peaceable Sion by raysing vp diuers strange and monstrous heresies as the Anabaptistes the Free will men the Arrians the Pelagians and the Familie of Loue with many others which heresies the Diuell more bufily soweth nowe to disquiet the Churche then heretofore in y time of ignorance when he lulled the most part of y world in errours and dreames of men And séeing that euerie errour doeth seeke his cloake defence by the holie scripture yet we haue great cause to reioyce that onely by the scripture they are all put to silence and their heresies made manifest to all men as by the learned treatises of many graue men in this our age doeth manifestly appeare Of this last errour of H. N. the cheefe piller and vpholder of these errours of the Familie of Loue whereof by the Lordes assistance I minde to leaue behinde me such notes and bréefes ▪ as of certeintie I haue learned bothe of the person and also of his doctrine no man hitherto that I can learne hath endeuoured to confute them in writing Whose Bookes as they haue come to my hande I haue with diligence perused and by much conference with diuers of that Familie learned the doctrine which they followe And whereas they haue béene charged with diuers articles before the highe commissioners yet by no argument that I can learne doe I finde that they holde all the errours conteined in the same Notwithstanding so many as either by the doctrine of Henrie Nicholas or by conference I haue learned I haue set downe to the ende that some good man might be incouraged to confute so impious an authour and such horrible errours and perfourme in some learned worke that whiche my want and capacitie is not able to supply neither would I haue ventured to committe to writing suche rude and ignorant labour the matter béeing in déede ●etter then the handling but in my opinion it is better to haue course bread then none at all And because diuerse with whome I am familiarly acquainted are fallen into this errour of Henrie Nicholas I haue the rather for their sakes bent my studie to doe them good if it be possible And if these simple notes may haue that successe that I wishe I trust it
speach be qualified or expoundedsoundly or christianly if you haue not this booke among you I shall be content to sende you either the book or the coppie therof that you may examine your Authours doctrine better For in my opinion this is blasphemie And where you say that the world shall knowe ere it belong what your meaning is therin I am vncertain except you would that these our conferences should be published whiche if it be your mind send me word for I am not ashamed of any thing that I haue written and then lette the children of God in the world iudge where trueth and plaine dealing is then shall appeare the difference of doctrin betwéen vs The Lorde worke his will in vs that in all our actions wee seeke his glory and not our owne praise Amen The 16. of March. 1578. Your friend I. R. A briefe Apologie to the displaying of the Familie IT doth appeare by reading of these discourses that in the familie there are some who to defende their author and his doctrine haue vsed some diligence what clamors they haue vttered against me doth appeare how often they haue charged me with falcifying their Authors sayinges is manifeste howe they doe discredite such testimonie as is produced against H. N. of such as knew the man longe and were his familiers is shewed What vntruethes what slaunderous speaches what raylinge wordes what caueling what wrangling which doeth bewray the familie of what spirite they are and with what spirite they are guided Many friuolous matters I haue not touched as not worth aunswere and many things are but slenderly handled as the nature of a priuate letter which requireth briefenes will permit Of all whiche falsefying and peruerting of their author only they shew one place wherin I collect that H. N. speaketh against the Church which he tearmeth a whore which they affirme is spoken againste the wicked nature of man But whither of vs more truly haue shewed the true sence of the wordes iudge I pray thée Howe they tearme vs frée ones libertines howe they call the doctrine of predestination licencious how they impunge the confidence we haue in Christes death calling it our bragge how they affirme the Lawe possible to be kept and many other such matters doth manifestly by reding these letters appeare Wherby the godly Christian may as time occasion shal serue hauing conference w any in the family sée in what matters these men are captiued so to indeuour to heale y sore now the wound is opened And where as I protested in my preface that I haue dealt truely and faithfully not maliciously and corruptly as I am accused For further proofe hereof I will briefely declare my euidence that the worlde may sée the exclamations they make are friuolous cauilles Touching the storie of Dauid George ▪ it is published by the vniuersitie of Basill in print out of which I haue collected the story truely For H. N. as before I haue shewed the testimony of his neighbours I haue to shewe being a liue and of honest credite in the Duch Church For their doings in Munster I haue shewed my opinion and the reasons that moued me so to thinke Also the articles which they published what coherence agréement they haue with the Family and how the Anabaptistes hold none of the same Althogh I know that Martin Luther Iohn Sleydan and others do call them generally Anabaptists I haue declared the reasons that moued me to thinke the contrary Let euery man credite these things as God shall moue only I cleare my selfe that of malice I haue done herein nothing The other matters are produced 〈…〉 the bookes of H. N. and gathered b● 〈…〉 ference with the family Now tou 〈…〉 〈…〉 the confession which I say two 〈…〉 〈…〉 Familie made before a worshipful Iustice of peace they deny that they were of their Familie but this is certaine the parties are liuing and followers of one Allyne of Woneherst a great companion of Christopher Vittells which Allin died soudenly by the high way going to Farnam to be examined before y bishop of winchester Thus haue I briefly touched the stories which the familie doe discredit Nowe if I mighte vtter my simple coniecture touching the saide Familie with out offence For as much as their beginning was in Englang about the latter end of Quéene Maries rainge when many of our brethren were entred into that gulfe of fréewill teaching that common grace reserued in Adam was appropriate to vs also and likewise certeine Arrians with Pellagians ioyning together found an author for their purpose vnder a newe deuised name of Familie of Loue. What do they teach but the old 〈…〉 ry leuin of such heretiques as were long agoe knowne and condemned and in déede take from them the weapons of the foresayd heretikes and you shall finde them vnarmed and naked and yet vnder a newe visor they woulde not bee noted as any touched with their doctrine but that they are newe matters broched by H. N. onely and not knowen in the worlde vntill now Surely the papistes do not magnifie their pope as the Family do H. N. whose bookes and doctrine may not be discredited neither can he erre For by no meanes can they be brought to acknowledge that H. N. may erre Therfore this newe Pope deludeth the pore Family with his darke spéeches and ranging stile without conclusion wher in they imagine that very diuinely and with such maiestie their authou 〈…〉 written that we simple ones 〈…〉 vnderstand and no mauell for su 〈…〉 doubte he vnderstandeth not him 〈…〉 For if a man will followe his qu 〈…〉 on s of Scriptures whiche hee 〈…〉 downe so thick and so close in the 〈…〉 giue of his bookes and epistles a 〈…〉 meanly excercised in the holy scrip 〈…〉 may well perceiue how farre from the purpose of the holy ghost H. N. hath applied them The Lord of mercie consolatiō giue thē the true vnderstanding of thy holy word let not sathan leade the simple shéep out of the waies of the Lorde our god but giue thy people O lord the wit of serpēts to beware of sathās sutilties who enuying the prosperity of thy gospell setteth himselfe against the same by raysing vp olde sectes vnder newe cloaks so that thy people being preserued vnder thy defence may euermore extol and magnifie thy glorious name and reioyce ouer the conuersion of our brethrē that they being brought home again into thy folde we may all praise thy ●●orious name and with one voyce a●●●inde may cry Veni domine Iesu 〈◊〉 Amen I. R. Matth. 28. Rom. ● ▪ Acts. 9. Actes 10. ● Pee 3. Gene. 4. 6. 7. 8. 9 19. Exod. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. 14 1● 20. 32. Num. ●2 Iosu. 1 ● 6 7. 10. Iudith 1 ▪ 5 7. 1● 1. Reg. 4. 5. 17. 31. 3. Reg. 18. 22. 4. Reg. 1. 2. 17. Psal 1. Rom. 1. Ezech. 37. Dani. 5 3. D. Cooper Cron. Image of both chur ches ●usebius Gesuerus The dung of t●e●●d ing●d●e●h the mistle Mat●●●lus Ra●tholomens Ortu●●anitatis Proph. cap ● diuis 5. Esai 53. Rom. 4. Iohn 3. 16. Rom. 7. Rom. 3. Psal. 14. Actes 4. Mat. 18. By baptisme he mea ▪ neth not the sacrament of Baptisme * which is in him Proph. cap 1. diui 2. Cap. cod● diui 5. Cap. 3. diuisi 2. Diui. 3. Cap. 13. diui 8. Cap. 19. diui 3 ▪ Diui. 11. Exhort 1. cap ▪ 13. diuisi 11. Ibi. di 12. Exhor 1. cap. 15. di 26. fol. 40 Proph. cap 11. fol. 27. Proph. cap. 13. fol. 27. Exhor cap 11. fol. 44 Dia. cap. 7 fol. 45. Exhort fol 43. cap. 16. Aba 1. a Acts. 13. f Scripture euil applied The opiniō of the Familie of Loue concerning predestination Rom. 6. a. b. c. c Ephc. 4. ● Collos. 2. b 2. Timo. 2 c. d. Gall. 3. d Iohn a Prou. 14 a b Prou. 19. a c 3. Reg. 20. b. d 1. Reg. 17. f. e 2. Tim. 2. d f Iam. 3. c. g Prou. 29. ● h Gala. 6. ● i Rom. 12. d. k Matt. 11. d l 1. Pet. 2. d. m Matt. 5. ● n Luke 6. c o Matt. 7. b. p Gala. 5. c. q Gala. 6. a. Ephes. 4. a. Thess. 5. b. r Rom. 15. a. s Iam. 5. d. t Prou. 14. ● u Matt. 7. c. x Luke 11. c y Iohn 14. b z Rom. 2. b. a Iames. 1. d b Apo. 22. d c Eccle. 12. ● d Num. 11. g e Psal. 19. b. f Psal. 69. a. g Psa. 113. b h Psal. 116. b i Psal. 119. c k Eccle. 9. d. l Iob. 24. c. m Zach. 9. b n Zach. 11. c. o Eccl. 30. d p Eccl. 40. ● q Apo. 21. c r Matt. 7. ● ▪ s Matt. 25. ● t Prou. ●7 c Prophesie 11. fol. 27. Sect. 1 Sect. 2. Sect. 6. ●●printed at London by Henrie Middleton for George Byshop