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A13585 Temporis filia veritas A mery devise called the troublsome travell of tyme, and the daungerous delivery of her daughter trueth. Interlocutours, Bennion the button-maker: and Balthesar the barber. 1589 (1589) STC 23875; ESTC S102448 17,807 20

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doctrine ronne here and there ●here ●hey myght be hearde an●●atinge the People against obedience due to the goo● manly 〈◊〉 2. and po●e●ke lawes and ordinances of theyr Prin●es and gouernours A●●ik●●ise wh●t ●●●s●●g vp of tumults wh●t murdering and ●on●um●ng one of an other is come to ●●●e daylie in other lands therabout videlicet about religion the True●h it woulde be I say too long to re●vie for s●eedy reformation wherof a●d that the lyke inconuenience in al● whi●h God forbid co●e not to pass● with in this Land but rather may in tyme through your good providen●e and Noble wisdoms in the Lord before seene and peruented May it therefore please the Kings Majestie the Lords Spirituall and Temperall together with the worshipfull and commons here assemb●ed to let proclamation go forth into all coasts of the Land and that it be permitted and graunted of euery Religion one at the least to come into the pe●lament house there to speake freely his mynd conserning the Trueth and the effect or ground of his religion And when eueryone hath sayd his mynde and your princely wisdome aduisedly and deeply considered therof as which of them all shall go nearest the Trueth So may you then doe your best in the Lord that the Trueth onely may take place for as-much as God who alone is worthy of all honour is a spirit and wil none otherwise be honored saue in spirit and Trueth And thus to thend all enuy contencion and disobedience mought once seace amongst vs that now boast so much of ●hristianity and that all godly loue obedience vnity peace and concord in the Trueth myght come in place whereby God myght rightly be honored Iesus Christ myght faythfully be beleeued the King and you all that beare authority dutifully obayed the People that are vnder you become blessed and the common welth alwayes florish to your euerlasting fame I make an end Referring all thing here spoken to the Lord and your wisdomes to consider of and so I committ you to God and to his good tuicion who is well able to endow you with his heauenly wisdom or holy spirit for to doe in all his wil Amen And so he ended Balt. This was no doubt a maruellous good waie for to bring all to one vniformity of Religion as also for to fynde out the Trueth if so be the King majestrates when they haue harde all spe●ke cā discerne the Trueth and true religion from all others which thing they may easily doe when as the Lord shall see it good for as much as the Trueth is playne and seeketh no corners and they also Gods Ministers appoynted to that end but yet thou hast not tolde me what was sayd to this matter nor what ensued therupon Ben. Then sayd the King this mans consell is very good let therefore proclamation go forth and let them come before vs to wit of euery Religion one and then shall euery one say his mynde freely conserning his Religion and conserning the Trueth And for my part after I haue heard euery one speak and aduisedly cōsydered therof according vnto the Trueth of the Scriptures I wil by the grace of God giue true Iudgement without perceality because that God whose minister I am mought rightly be honored in Spirit and in Trueth Then spake the Counsell all at once and sayd God saue thee ò Kinge for euer For ●e likewise are good advouching thereunto and therefore wish with all our haertes that it mought euen-so come to passe After that spake the Lords Spirituall and sayd God blesse the King in his determination for we also are zealous for the Trueths cause and therefore woulde gladly that it vvere manifested And then spake the Lords Temperall and sayd God preserue the King and graunt him good suckcesse in all that he taketh in hand for vve are redy to the vttermost of our power to defend the Trueth vvere it once made knowen Then last of all spake the commons and sayd God prosper the King in his good purpose for vvee stand also ready to liue therin mought vve once know certaynlie vvhich vvere the Trueth Balt The God of all Trueth blesse them vvith his euerlasting blessing make manifest his Trueth vnto them and then geve them and vs all grace to liue in the same But vvhat followed I pray you tel me Ben. Vpon this the proclamation vvent forth into all quarters and therevpon came into the Parlament house 4. men diuersly Apareled also of sundry myndes or Religions Videlict A Catholick comonly called a Papist A Protestant c●monly called a Liber●in A Puritan comonly called a Rebell And a playne Plowm●n vvhose religion vvas vnknowen comonly called an Heretique Balt Now of Fellowship let me heate more of this matter for there is like alwaeys to i●sue some good sporte vvhere so many Players doe resorte Ben After such tyme as they all kneeling vpon their knees had craued perdon and lisence euery man to speak freely his mynde vvithout any interruption for the profe of his Religion and the manifesting of the Trueth and that free liberty vvas graunted them Then vvas it concluded also that the Catholick shoulde speake first next after him the Protestant 3. the Puritane and last of all the playne Plowman Balt. Suerly this vvas excellent vvel now then as thou louest me let me heare vvhat good stuffe the Catholique coulde bring for his old rusty Religion Ben Then the Catholique after his humble submission made to the K. and to the Honourable and vvorshipfull there assembled he sayd Most Noble Prince you all most Honourable worshipfull audience In as much as you haue most graciously graunted me to speake for my Religion and the Trueth so I most humbly beseech you all to heare me Be it knowne vnto you all that the Catholique generall Religion had her first foundacion as it is thought neare vpon 1● hundred yeares past and hath remayned in force and no other generall Religion among the Christians with in Europe knowen or frequented vntill about 80. yeares past that one Matin Luther some●ymes a ffryer tooke vpon him vpon a displeasure taken aganst the Pope to vvryte dispitefully there agaynst and this our Religion vvas instituted acc●rding to the holy scriptures by a generall councell of holy Fathers For after such tyme as they out of a great zeale towards the Trueth beheeld the increase of all Iniquity amongst the People in somuch as Chr●st and his doctrine vvas almost forgotten yea and more ouer fearing least in processe of tyme the Natiuety Death and Passion of Christ together vvith his doctrine lyfe and miracles as also the doctrine lyfe and miracles of the Prophets Apostles Euangilests and holy fathers should likevvise be altogether forgotten especially n●w in these last lisencious dayes vvherin they vnderstood in the Spirite that all iniquity vvould abound lyke as it is come to passe at this day Then they thought it good to call a generall Councell at the vvhich counsell they ordayned not vvithout the
holy Ghost the festiuall dayes throughout the yere like as they yet remayne in the Church at this day some in commemoration of Christes Natiuety some of his circumsicion some of his Death some of his Resurrection and some of his Assention into heauen c. Likewise they ordayned other Festiuall dayes in commemoration of the deaths and martirdomes of holy saints videlicet Prophets Apostles Euangelists Martirs and confessors c. They haue also ordayned holy sacraments and ceremonyes together vvith an vniformity of God-service to be vsed in the Church onely to houlde in memory before the People in their right significations those holy things vvhich the gospel of Iesu Christ requireth in the Deede of all men and yet notwithstanding vvere then almost of all People forgotten Moreouer they ordayned and established that the Gospells and Epistles c. should be as a New Testament coadioyned to the olde and read dayly in the Churches for holy scripture and so to be taken for euer they also ordayned and built many Churches for holy vse Fastings prayers Almesdeeds confession of sinnes vvith contricion and satisfaction to be made for the same with many other good things more vvhich vvere too longe to resyte And now right noble and honourable audience in what Feare obedience and reasonablenes the People vvere houlden euen vntill this our last Age vnder Catholick Religion and her sacraments and cerem●nyes I need not much to speake of but vvill rather leaue it to the Iudgmen● and consideration of all those that be vvise and of auncient yeares among you knew their conuersation And therefore to be shorte I hold my Catholique Religion to be of most antiquety ordayned by the consent of the holy Ghost and grounded vpon the Trueth And thus I conclude who soe houldeth vpon the Catholiq Religion In his Right Institucion he houldeth vpon the True Religion And who soe houldeth vpon the Catholique Church houldeth vpon the true Churche And thus he ended Balt. Now surely neighbour Benion if this vvere his talke and if this be true vvhich he hath sayd then this is the Catholique Religion as I thincke layd on such a ground or foundacion bringing also with it such antiquety that I know not presently to the contrary but he is lyke to beare a ray the best game yet vvould I gladly heare how the protestant could answere this matter Ben. Then the Protestant after humble submission c. sayd O most excellent Prince together vvith all you Honourable and worshipfull let me freely speake before you It is not vnknowne vnto you all at this present that this Popish Religion although I graunt she mought happely haue had some reasonable ground in her first Institution hath b●n since that tyme diuersly sondry wis● altred patched in somuch as sondry Popes haue added sundry seremonyes Videlicet some holy water some holy bread some other haue set vp as bookes fot the vnlearned to looke vpon certaine Images some haue graunted that oblations should be made vnto them some other that sight should be set before them other some haue alowed for the vnlearned beades for to nomber theyr prayers withall And some haue likewise for monyes cause graunted out perdon for sinnes some in one maner some in an other yea and their service wherin they ment to serve God was in a language that the People vnderstood not what should I speaka of Masses Trentalts and Dirges to be sung for the Dead Hallowing of Palmes of Crosses Churches and Church-yeards likewise of Christning and hallowing of Bells c. And this superstition continued like as he sayd therin right well till Mr. Doctor Martin Luther that famous Clarke vvho hath disclosed all their superstition Idolatry Couitousnes and whordome c. vvhich tyme vve God be thancked haue had for the most part this our protestant Religion vvherin the Gospell or Trueth is sincearely Preached all superstition Idolatry and abhomination altogether put downe and god service in the mother tongue so that now euery Carter Cobler can whistle and sing psalmes and euery man can reason and talke of the scriptures in euery place freely where they come yea moreouer euery Bishop and Minister may haue his wife c. And now right honorable Audience what fruites and freedom this our liberty of the gospell hath brought vvith it since we began to preach I need not to resyte but vvill referre that and all that I haue sayd vnto your vvisdoms to consider of Thus I conclude Right Noble and vvorshipfull that my Religion set out and allowed by the Kinge and his Counsell hath his ground and foundacion from Christ and his Apostles and therefore of greater antiquitie then the Catholike Religion by an hundred yeares and more and is therefore the best and the gospell vvhich vve preach say I that is the Trueth And therewith he made an end Balt Lord haue mercy on vs vvhat shall vve say that are vnlearned in this troublesome tyme of so many Religions and Opinions or vvhom shal vve beleeue For now if this vvere his tale and this be true vvhich he hath sayd doubtlesse he hath so firmely and groundly sayd his plat forme that in myne opinion no man liuing can remoue it or goe beyond him And therefore I see not to the contrary but that he must needs goe away vvith the victory otherwise I am much deceaued yet I pray thee let me heare vvhat the other could say Ben. Then stood vp the Puritan and after submission done he sayd most high and renoumed Prince together with you all that be Honourable and worshipfull like as ye haue heard these 2. men tell their tales concerning the ground of their Religions and the Trueth euen so I beseech you heare me It is vvell knowen vnto you all that I haue bin euen for the Lord my God his cause zealous this 30 yeares and more in so much as I haue bin expulced the Vniversityes depriued of my liuings runne here and there euen for my Conscience cause c and therefore haue matter so well against thee O King and thy Lawes as also against them both and their Religions that haue here spoken As f●r thee thou settest vp superstitious lawes vvhich are not correspondent to Gods lawes and therefore I will not obey them And now to answere the Catholike and his Antichristian Religion I need not for asmuch as the Protestant hath sufficiently answered him But as conserning the Protestant and his Religion vvhich he so extolleth aboue all other I am right vvel able to reproue him almost in an 100. places vvhich he hath altogether taken out of the Romish sincke or stincking Popish puddle like as you may easily smell from wence they came if you do but a little holde vp your heads and beholde the situation of your Churches how they yet stand East and West your steeples also full of Bells your Quiers and Alters together vvith Coaps vestments and cornerd caps Tippets Rotchets Sirplusses processions singings organs c.