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A70289	A short answer to a book called The fanatick history published with the approbation of divers orthodox divines (so called) and dedicated to the king by Richard Blome (against the Quakers) : which being examined and tried, is found to be a packet of old lies, many of which was seven years since presented to the Little Parliament, and since to other parliaments and protectors, which by us was answered and confuted in the year 1653 many other lies and false reports is gathered up since by them, which herein is answered and disproved : and herein also is a short relation of the twelve changes of governments which have bin in this nation in those eight years, under all of which we have suffered and been persecuted for that truth, which we yet stand witnesses for, against all its opposers / Richard Hubberthorne ; James Nayler.	Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662.; Naylor, James, 1617?-1660.	1660 (1660)	Wing H3232; ESTC R6755	22,690	31

Christ hath given to some discerning of Spirits and the Spiritual man judgeth all things as saith the Scripture 1 Cor. 2.15 1 Cor. 12.10 and this Privilege the Saints had by the Spirit of Christ in them and the same we witness every one according to our measure as we have received the same Spirit 1 Cor. 11 12. And thou chargest one Nicholas Kate to have said 1. That Mariage was made by man 2. that Christians were worse than Beasts 3. that any woman was as free to him as his Wife 4. that his Wife was no Wife of his she was a Limb of the Devil 5. that he was holy and all things that he touched were holy 6. that when the fullness of time was come he should work Miracles To which we say the man we know not neither the truth of thy Accusations for they may be as false of him in these things as thou art found in many other things concerning others yet to the first of these we say that though true Mariage be of God and that which hath his blessing yet there be too many Mariages at this day made without God in the lust To the 2d we say that there be many who are called Christians that by nature are worse than Beasts and b● practise also though none deserve the name of Christians truly but such as are in Christ Jesus and being sanctified by his Spirit such are holie as saith the Scripture ●or the rest we leave it as that which is none of ours Thou further accuses us for saying that the Redeemer of man is not that Person the Son of man that dyed at Jerusalem but the light which is in everie particular man c. To which we say thy Accusation is false for we own no other Redeemer but that Person the Son of God that dyed at Jerusalem who is the light within us and the light of the world as he said of himself Iohn 8.12 though this be a mystery to thee and tha● which has been hid from Ages even Christ in us the hope of glory Col. 1. Again thou accusest us for saying The Scripture is not the way to find out the knowledge of Christ but a turning the mind within c. To which we say Christ is the way the light and the life and no man comes to the knowledge of him but by the Father Mat. 11.27 nor to the knowledge of the Father but by him though men without both may read the Letter as the Jews did whom thou tells on and their searching of the Scripture who for all that never came to the knowledge of Christ nor would they come to him that they might have life So ignorant is flesh and blood of his way and knowledge from the Letter and therefore we do say that without first turning to the light and Spirit of Christ there is no comming to him nor his knowledge Luke 10.22 And for the Blasphemies thou chargest against us as first that we say we are equal with God as holy just and good as God himself and this thou sayes was affirmed by George Fox and James Naylor before Witnesses To which J. N. sayes thy Charge is utterly false concerning me who in the presence of God can say that I never spoke these words secr●t nor open nor did it ever enter into my heart so to think of my self It is true George Fox was accused at Lancaster of saying that he was equal with God and to his Answer we refer you for satisfaction as it is in Sauls errand Page 10 11. Which answer is in these words Answ. That was not so spoken but that he that sanctifieth and they that are sanctified are of one and the Saints are all one in the Father and the Son of his Flesh and of his Bone this the Scripture doth witnesse and ye are the Sons of God and the Father and the Son are one and they that are joyned to the Lord are one Spirit 1 Cor. 6.17 they that are joyned to an Harlot a●e one fl●sh But as for saying he was as holy just and good as God himself this was never charged upon him And many other such false charges are laid upon us which we are not guilty of and which there is no proof for from our words or writings as that we should say that we are more perfect than Christ and that Christ is a sinner and that we should call the Apostles carnal men with other things of that nature which wee neither thought spoke nor writ and so these things being disowned and disproved by us is returned back again to be condemned with the accuser of the brethren from whence they did arise Again as concerning the dispute at Cambridge which thou mentions in the Fanatick History put forth by T. S. that is answered and his false accusations disproved by George Whitehead in a book called The Key of Knowledge not found in the Vniversity of Cambridge which is to be sold at the Black spread-Eagle in Martyns And also the false Relation of the disputation at Sandwich is answered and the truth of it clearly declared Again concerning thy relation in the 11. Chapter of the Phanatique History of the Petition of divers Ministers in Westmerland c. the substance of clamors therein expressed and the charges against G●o Fox and Ja. Nailor is fully answered to satisfaction of those that desire to understand the Truth in a book called Sauls Errand which is to be sold at the B●ack spread Eagle at the West end of Pauls And as for thy Narrative of publick proceedings against the Quakers in divers Counties and Cities and how they were imprisoned without the breach of any Law and for speaking the word of the Lord as they were moved and because they could not swear and because they were signs against pride these things doth all testifie for us how innocently we have suffered and how unchristianlike they have been that have so persecuted us for doing the will of God in love to their souls who have thus hated us And our being so hated persecuted and imprisoned by the Powers that have ruled in this Nation do plainly shew unto those of understanding that they have wanted the Spirit of Christ Love Meeknesse Mercyfulness and have shewed Cruelty without Mercy therefore the same measure which they have given unto others is justly come upon themselves and he that would provoke the Magistrates now to persecution as others that have gone before them they would bring them into the same Cause of Condemnation for which the Lord God might justly cut them off as he hath done others which would not be warned in their day untill their time was no more A short Relation of the twelve Changes of Government that hath been in England within these 8. years under all of which we have suffered Persecution SInce by the Lord we were called chosen and separated to be his People and had unto us committed the word of Reconciliation and

the light which condemns it in every enlightened Conscience and there will clear himself to be no Author nor Actor therein and I know by the Spirit of Jesus which I have received and which worketh in me that this is not his work nor his seed nor in him that loves thy Enemies thou art not but the old accuser of the Brethren it is that worketh strongly in thee and in the light which thou reproaches art thou seen to be the man that makes lies and carries tales to shed blood Ezek. 22 9.12 Again concerning the false charge in Chapter the 5. pag. 108. concerning the Quakers in North-wales That some Quakers had such swellings in their Bodies shreekings and howlings that not only frighted the beholders but caused Dogs to bark Swine to cry and the Cattel to run about Answer this Charge is altogether false and not a word of Truth in it as we who live in North-wales and have been constant at them meetings do testifie John ap Iohn Roger ap Iohn and as for William Spencer that is false also that any humming or hissing was heard by him or that any Quaker did lay his H●ad on his Shoulders or Blow towards his Mouth as the F●ther of Lyes hath said in the Phanatick History Page 109. Again also in t●e ●ame Page is another Slander cast upon the Quaker● saying that in October the 9th 1654. in Durham a Minister prayed amongst them his Legs trembling and that they roared in a strange and hideous manner which is false for there was no such thing as many can witness who was present at the meeting And in Page 110. several Lies is repeated without any proof as that one Bu●nt the Bible and another appeared in Essex in such a sh●pe a● c●used them to break up their meetings Another concerning James Purnell in Colchester that when he would have eaten could not which is all false and there is no proof for any of those things but the false Accusations of our Opposers as for instance R. B. his Quaeres is brought for a proof to the first as Quaery the 10th Do not some of you say the Bible ought to be burnt c. Our Answer is No for it ought to be read believed and fulfilled and yet the impudency of those t●at put forth the Phanatique History is not ●shamed to say that we b●rn the Bible or disswade men from reading it but all People who are not given up to b●lieve Lies may know to the contrary and may know that there is no People in the Nation that doth more honour the Scriptures by living the life of them and fulfilling that which they speak than we do and that shall be our chief Witness against all our Oppose●s and Accusers whereby they shall be ashamed Again whereas several is accused ●s for going naked Nakedness is a sit sign for you who are covered with Lie● and Unright●ousness and as the Prophet Isai●h was called of the Lord to be a● a sign to the Aegyptians and Ethiopians first in Sackcloath and then naked and bare foot and to walk so for three years as a sign and wonder amongst them Isaiah 20.2 3. which things would have been a Subject for those pretended Orthodox Divines to have published Books from and so to have accused him to be mad or a Phanatick or bewitched as they do accuse some now which do it in obedience to the Lord and as signs unto them And those that do thus accuse from the ground of enmity they must be as much uncovered from that Veil of Darkness that is over their Hearts before ever they see God as ever any Quaker wa● naked or uncovered outwardly and when that comes to passe the Scorner will leave his scorning and the wicked man his way and turn to the Lord and will leave reproaching of the Quakers Again others are accused for comming into the Church so called and for working of Needle-work Answer whether is it better to do the thing which is usefull and lawfull than for a man to preach for hire in that place which is a thing which God hath alwaies declared against since that sinfull practise came up for it is that which in all Ages hath grieved his holy Spirit and hath b●en testified against by his Prophets his Son and his Apostles as you may read Isaiah 56.10 11. Jer. 5.30 31. Mica 3.11 Ezek. 34.1 2 3. John 10.12 Titus 1.10 11. And God is yet bearing his Testimony against all such both by words and actions for they that preach for filthy lucre do not serve the Lord Jesus Christ but their own Bellyes as the Lord is now plainly making manifest unto many thousands and will also manifest it more and more Titus 1.10 11. Many other Lyes and false Accusations is gathered up in this Phanatick History Page 114 115. and no proof for any of them but that lying Book called Hell broke loose put forth by Tho. Vnderhill whom God did manifest his indignation against for while he was gathering up those Lyes now published in the Phanatick History before he could perfect his work God cut him off in his wickedness and so that Scripture was fulfilled upon him The wicked shall not live out half his daies and all those that do succeed him in the same work shall receive the same reward for God is just and will reward every man according to his work Which Lies and Accusations in that Book related is answer●d by Francis Howgill in his Book called The pits mouth stopped c. Another false Slander is charged upon the Quakers that in September 1659. there was a discoverie of divers Witches in and near Shirebourn in Dorset shire there being near two hundred of them at one meeting most of them Quakers and Anabaptists and that five of them was committed to Dorset shire Gaol and have confessed c. and saith likewise that they did torment bewitch and destroy Mr. Leyford Minister of Shirebourn tormenting him with a sharp painfull Disease that he dyed and that Mr. Bamfield his Successor they forced by their Witchcraft to desert the Town Answer here thou hast proved the Ministers to be under the power of Witchcraft and not in the power of God and so no Ministers of Christ for they could not be bewitched but had power over that unclean Spirit A● they would have if they were in the power of God But there was no discoverie of any Witches amongst the Quakers neither was there ever any of the Quakers that ever did confess or wa● proved to be Witches for the Quakers is in that life and spirit which the Devil and Witches have no power over and therefore it is that the Devil Witches False Prophets Hirelings and Deceivers is so inraged against us and so these being but all forged lies which may be manifestly known to all people which desire to know the Truth doth prove nothing against us but doth fulfill the Scripture which saith that all manner of evil

shall be spoken against us falsly for his names sake who suffered the like contradiction of Sinners as we do now for they said that he had a devil and did deceive the people and unto us the bearing of his reproches is as great Riches although it be so be called Devils Witches and Deceivers for his sake for we have his witness in our selves that we are of God and that of God in all mens consciences shall bear witnesse unto us And as for thy saying That some Quakers killed their mother following the light within them It is Answered That there was such a thing done in Yorkeshire but that they ever bore the name of Q●akers is utterly false as thousands can witnesse but was of your own Generation Neither doth following the light of Christ within teach to do any such thing as thou blasphemously wou●dst reproach it whose coming is to save life and not to destroy it And though he come to make an end of sin both original and actual yet it is through his own blood and not with the blood of others So thy charge herein is blasphemous and false in this thing and in divers other particulars which thou mentionest against the Truth and its followers As concerning the Physician in Lincoln which thou tellest of and the Maid in London which thou tellest of and divers other particulars which are falshoods grounded upon the enmity of him who was a Lyer from the beginning and are not worth the mentioning after thee neither can any moderate spirit who have any taste of Truth in their own hearts be easily drawn to believe such things which have so little face of truth with them but is apparent fruit of enmitie And as thou tells of some Quakers dancing some cursing and swearing some killing and murthering and immoderate familiarity with women and many such things against which our God hath set us living witnesses both in life and doctrine as all that knowes us can testifie so much need not to be said in our defence as to those accusations being that our lives preaches the contrary where we come in all parts of the Nation as it is well known none dwells with us in the light of Jesus who act any of these thing and live in them and repent not but with you and your hearers these things are found who are our Enemies accusers and persecuters lived in and justified by Teachers and people is divers of these things unto this day against which we are witnesses An● as for thy saying a Quaker at Dover when he came to die said he expected Salvation by his own works and not by Christ and thy bringof John Davis a Priest for a witnesse hereto To which we say that John Davis having been asked hereof seems to deny it however this we testifie to be our Faith in Christ Jesus that by him only and through obedience to his works we are justified and not in our own And whereas thou accusest some of us for saying to a Priest Now is our day and we will have you down To this we say the day is come in which you are seen and the fall of Antichrist but for any such words or intention in us of violence towards you our hearts are cleer before God and he that shall either threaten or act so towards you we deny And whereas thou accusest E. B. for saying Give the Priests blood to drink for they are worthy It s well known to many that through the Priests yea by their own hands have several of our bloods been shed yet did never we attempt to shed any of yours or theirs nor ever shall do for it is the whore and her worship that hath in her the blood of the Saints and Prophets and all that are slain upon the Earth for the Testimony of Jesus of whom the Spirit of God hath said Give her blood to drink for she is worthy And we have this testimony in our Conscience towards the most blood-thirsty of you That we had rather see your repentance than that Scripture fulfilled upon you though these words E. B. might use in obedience to the same Spirit to those who continue in that spiritual Babylon And for any Quaker way-laying the Minister of Cowwould as thou calls him justling him by the way and drawing his sword half way We say This is as false as the rest and the Minister himself thou mentionest denies it and said If it was spoken concerning him he would give his hand against it before Humph Killingbeck and Rob. Thornden who went to him properly about that businesse to enquire it out And thus thy false accusations returns upon thy own head to thy shame As that open falshood concerning William Naylor brother to James coming into Savoy Church as thou calls it and there bellowing and affrighting the people that they ran away c. When as Iames Naylor had never a brother that ever came in London nor within above fifty miles of it Oh shamelesse Man it is time for thee to conceal thy name when thou undertakes such a work as is all along in this thy book wherin is a loathsomnesse to any sober Spi●it to follow thee in thy lies or read them after thee so we leave many of them unmentioned in particular as knowing they need no further answer but the savor they carry in themselves towards every sober mind that reads them As for Mary Todd comming into the B●ll and Mouth pulling up her coats and walking up and down the room and using base expressions whilst some of the Quakers were speaking To this we say she neither was nor is any Quaker but a Ranter who came thither to oppose the Quakers as many unclean spirits have done nor was this action done in our Meeting our Meeting not being that day in that place So this is like the rest Again thou mentionest things which thou callest our Opinions and thy charge in general is That let our tenents be never so diametrically opposite to the written verity yet we will father it upon the Spirit of truth and will make him the Inspirer of these falsities and that we make Christ the light within us to hold out palpable darkness To which we say As thy charge is general and signifies little so it is false for by the Spirit of Truth and Christ the light within us do we witnesse the verity fulfilled and not contradicted and by the same are we made opposite to the Spirit of darknesse and all its false worships And though we may say that the Spirit of Christ is the same that it was and so not unequal to it self in whom or at what time soever it appears according to the Measure of his appearance yet is he ever the Spirit of Truth and not against verity whether written or spoken but is the same that leads into a●l Truth as of himself he bears testimony and we must say that his speaking in his living Temples is of greater Authority with