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A89135 Antichrist in man the Quakers Idol. Or a faithfull discovery of their ways and opinions by an eye and ear-witness thereof. Together with an answer and confutation of some dangerous and damnable doctrines justified, in a paper sent by them unto me: as also one of them taken with a lie in his mouth before the magistrates. / By Joshuah Miller, a servant of Christ in the work of the Gospel. Miller, Joshua, 17th cent. 1655 (1655) Wing M2061; Thomason E868_1; ESTC R207650 27,464 39

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in Bedlam anon they go with bended back arms infolded thus mocking the Lord their Maker that hath made them otherwise sometimes they weep and howl Pharisee like to he heard of men As if they were in Hell already for Christ tels us the damned shal so do Matth. 34.51 besides the disfiguring their faces makes them Pharisees Mat. 6.16 I wonder much at their weepings if they have no sin as some of them affirm Again I have heard them hum like a swarm of Bees as if Beelzebub the God of Flies was there Well dear Christians some of you have read the life of Kilpin a great Quaker but lately brought back to Christ How he manifests that he was often possessed with the Divel As also you have heard of the fly that came to two men in a Bed at Wrexham Le ts be warned by these things to hold fast to Christs person keep your faith and profession without wavering Heb. 10.23 Le ts not be Rubenites unstable as water for we shal not excel Gen. 45.4 I beseech you to conform to wholsom words of the Lord Jesus 1 Tim. 6.3 for Popery came in at this door And unlesse our God prevent it Heathenism will creep in the same way Secondly I advise you to withdraw from the company of these men and in so doing you will keep the Scripture rule and find much peace and comfort in your soul An Heretick after the first and second admonition reject Titus 3.10 though I beleeve many are not Hereticks amongst them but are like silly sheep-meerly-deluded pity them and pray for their return yet take heed of touching Pitch lest you be defiled therewith if any man brings not the Doctrine of Christ receive him not into your house nor bid him God speed 2 Epist John 10. if many had kept this word they might have-been kept from the hour of Temptation that now hath overtaken them we are forbid to keep company with a railer too 1 Cor. 5.11 As these men are Thirdly keep and ask for the old paths not in which wicked men have trod but all the Saints before you many have lost their zeal to contend for the faith Jude 3. truly they have need to be inquired after Jerem. 6.16 the indifferency of spirit about Christ his Ordinances and Ministry hath exceedingly hurt the souls of many take heed lest that word Jerem. 18.15 fall to your share because my people have forgotten me they have burnt incense to vanity and they have caused them to stumble in their ways to walk in a way not cast up mark how full this Scripture is to condomn such people as bring such opinions that was never cast up by the Apostles and Prophets for they never bid men turn into the light within no nor never said to any man to the light in thy conscience I speak this word was unheard of till now neither is there any such expression in all the Scripture To sum up my discourse I understand that Popery and vain Philosophy is the foundation of their religion the Jesuits without doubt are unknown to them and us amongst them the Lord reveal this man of sin and I question not but he shal not be hid In order to this take this relation Ireceived from good hands A Gentleman of this County upon the Road meets with one that seemed a stranger to him they fell in discourse upon the Quakers the stranger justified them to be a people of the highest light and holiest conversation After this he owned and justified Transubstantiation also and this man is since found to be one Baras supposed to be a Romish Priest it s more then suspicious they are nean of kin to the Pope when his Emissaries will plead for them for I am sure they condemn the true Protestants as Hereticks Seeing they are against all Ministers as Antichristan the Pope laughs in his sleeve at this for he hath told them so for this is known to all men of understanding that the Church of Rome denies any Gospel Ministry in England therefore the Pope and the Quakers in this agree And that you may without spectacles see that his Agents are not strangers amongst them take this following relation as a most evident demonstration hereof The Information of Geo. Cowlishaw Ironmonger of the City of Bristol taken before the Magistrate of the said City On the 22. Janu. 1654. WHo informeth upon oath that in the moneth of Sept. last this informant had some discourse in Bristol with one Mr. Coppinger an Irish man formerly a School fellow of his that came thither purposely for his Passage into Ireland who told this informant that he had lived in Rome and Italy this 8 or 9 years and had taken upon him the order of a Friar of the Franciscan Company and he told this Informant that he had been at London lately for some moneths and whilest he was there he had been at all the Churches and meetings publick and private that he could hear of and that none came so near him as the Quakers and that being at a meeting of the Quakers he there met with two of his acquaintance in Rome the which two persons were of the same Franciscan order and company and were now become chief Speakers amongst the Quakers and that he himself had spoken among the Quakers in London about 30 times and was well approved of amongst them And this Informant further saith that the said Coppinger asked him what kinds of opinions of religion there was in Bristol and the said Informant told him there were several opinions and judgements the said Coppinger asked him whether there had been any Quakers in Bristol and the said Informant said no whereupon the said Coppinger told him 2. or 3. times that if he did love his religion and his Soul he should not hear them Whereupon this Informant told him that he thought none of them would come to Bristol who expresly replied that if this Informant would give him five pounds he would make it five hundred pounds if some Quakers did not come to Bristol within three weeks or a moneth then following And on the morrow the said Coppinger departed for Ireland his native place and about 18 days after there came to this City two persons bearing the name of Quakers This matter is well known to many in the City that this Oath was taken by the foresaid person onely John Audland in his Paper against Mr. Farmer saith that they were in Bristol before the time herein mentioned which may wel be and yet Mr. Cowlishaw speak true that they were not there to his knowledge And herein I leave all men whose wits are not bewildred with fancies to judge whether this mans testimony upon Oath is to be beleeved before all their railings and paper denials These things are for our warning to take heed of this mystical Antichrist in man who appears under all forms to the intent to destroy both forms and religion also when they call all our
ANTICHRIST IN MAN THE Quakers Idol Or a faithfull discovery of their ways and opinions by an eye and ear-witness thereof TOGETHER With an Answer and Confutation of some dangerous and damnable Doctrines justified in a paper sent by them unto me As also one of them taken with a lie in his mouth before the Magistrates By JOSHUAH MILLER a Servant of Christ in the work of the Gospel Be not carried about with divers and strange Doctrines Hebr. 13.9 As Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses so did these resist the truth 2 Tim. 3.8 9. Desiring to be Teachers of the Law understanding neither what they say or whereof they affirm 1 Tim. 1.7 If any man among you seem to be religious and bridleth not his tongue his religion is in vain James 1.26 London Printed by J. Macock for L. Lloyd and are to be sold at his shop at the sign of the Castle in Corn-hil 1655. To all that beleeve Salvation and Justification by the death and resurrection of Christ which he in his own person performed as a full satisfaction for all their sins past present and to come especially to the real Beleevers in the County of Glamorgan DEarly beloved in the Lord although many of my Brethren have taken in hand to declare the Spirits Ways and Opinions of these poor deluded people which are so satisfactory that I confesse it were but superfluous in me to add more to the Presse Yet when I seriously ponder that this may appear where those Books have not been divulged And sometimes I am apt to think that a few leaves from one known in each Country may tend more to the satisfaction of the people therein then from a stranger though for my part I am the weakest unworthiest of all for this work but seeing Providence hath cast me in that place where I have had more converse with and knowledge of them then many others I intend this Book principally for the sakes of the people where I live And truly I am necessitated to appear thus openly in respect of the lies and false rumours abroad and for the truths sake which seeks no corners Oh Beloved remember that these are the last times and this is the most insinuating depth of Antichrist that ever was Indeed in the Ranters the Divel appeared as he is black but I fear the white Divel is too near these Was he not in the Pharisees and yet they were devout men now may he be called trans-formed into an Angel of light The Lord help you to continue in the faith till Christ comes keep your Lamps burning study more the deceitfulnesse of your hearts try Doctrines by the Spirit and Scriptures together be not hasty to hear every one or every thing frequent more the society of Gospel Saints hold fast Prayer in the holy Spirit waiting upon God in his Ordinances And in so doing you are in the safest way for instruction Your servant in the Lord Christ JOSHUAH MILLER From my house at Cardiff the 20 of Octob. 1655. ANTICHRIST in MAN THE Quakers Idol GOD hath given us of this Island several warnings for this many years both outwardly in the Kingdomes of men and inwardly in the Kingdome of Christ the former we have for this many years felt the smart thereof and yet are we like the man that sleeps on the top of a Mast Grey hairs are upon the head of this Nation for our murmurings ingratitude not living holy to our liberty injoyed but O sad indeed is the warnings in his spiritual Kingdome What talk we formerly had of letting up Christ in our hearts in our houses in the Camp in the Court but hath not many like Baruch been seeking great things for themselves and forgot crucified Christ O! ye Magistrates can you see Christ bleeding a fresh every day in City Town Village Country speared by Oaths Lying Drunkennesse Prophanation of the Lords day Whoredomes Blasphemies are you Christian Magistrates and will not step in to punish such Offenders O! ye Saints can you hear the most abhominable errours vented and neither pray against nor weep over them Where is the ancient zeal of David to the Temple of John against Jezebel of Paul against the Athenians of John against Antichrist can you bid God speed to Christs enemies and not shed a tear for that O let us of England look into our hearts and examine what 's the cause of these spiritual judgements now among us these people called Quakers are to me the saddest and most deplorable spectacles of revolted Professors that ever I have heard or read of since my knowledge of them I find the Book called the perfect Pharisee a most notable yet lamentable description of them I will in the subsequent lines give you a short yet faithfull relation of their ways opinions and carriages not from other mens Books but for the most part upon personal knowledge and what else upon evident witnesses And herein my desire is to give a testimony to the truth of Jesus so far as I have had converse with them And first I shall answer that common objection amongst them namely they say a great power of God goes with them that carries them out against sin And therefore hence they infer that their way is of God Wherefore I will first answer this before I enter upon the manifestation of their ways and Doctrines I answer this two ways First I say Greatnesse of power in man is no argument of divine goodnesse or true religion if their principles and Doctrines be haetrodox the Divel is said to be of great power we wrestle against principallities and powers Eph. 6.12 yea he is said to work mightily that is with forcible and strong impulsions on the spirits of men therefore the Scripture must try all such strong motions or else God knows whither such strong powers will lead A mighty power hath gone with the Turk to inlarge both his Dominion and Religion yet I hope that 's no argument his religion is of God read that word in 2 Thess 2 10.11 it s said the Lord shall send them strong delusions to beleeve a lie the reason he gives you in the preceding verse yet this strong delusion is Satans Throne And this makes me the lesse to wonder at that spirit by which they are drawn forth But secondly they say this power is of God because it leads them out against sin to this I answer that herein they may be mistaken for I question not but Satan may have his Throne in the heart and yet the outward carriage to man honest and devout for he hath his wiles and devices 2 Cor. 2.11 and how far he may carry men out to be against the act of sin and yet sin the end of that intention the Pharisees are a lively testimony thereof Paul knew this well when he fore-told the Divel should transform himself into an Angel of light 2 Cor. 11.14 now Angels of light are holy and without sin which thing if you hear
them they preached faith altogether which relates to some object without men Now God willing I shall without partiallity give you my friends especially in and about Cardiffe a faithfull relation so far as I can remember of my dealings with them though I am a stranger in this County where I was called both by God and good men yet am I made the chiefest mark of their shafts I know not why unlesse it is because I formerly loved them too much therefore they will now hate the the more and my residence amongst them lays me open to their more often oppositions I did warn some amongst them to avoid the society of some whom I knew not sound in the faith yet they would plead for a liberty which I feared would in the end snare their souls which is now wofully effected I have been four times publickly railed at three times by one man whereof twice in one day at St. Andrews and Licwith at Cardiffe since that and now lately on the 16. Octob. being the Lords day at Cardiffe by a young man and two women I never met with such a railing reviling brawling spirit or heard the like they might give us as good language as the Angel did the Divel but I think they cannot bridle their tongues James 1.26 such words as these I have had from them thou Priest deceiver false Prophet hireling thou preachest nothing but lies blind guide with such a bed-role of junctives that the Oyster women of Billingsgate would blush to name O Sirs is this the spirit of Christ which is a meek sweet gentle loving spirit certainly their hearts are not very clean whose mouths are full of cursing and bitternesse yea the poyson of Asps is under their tongues Rom. 3.13 they manifest Pride and passion sufficiently the Lord rebuke them F. G. At Cardiffe on the 19 Septem 1955. In discourse with a Quaker about the Scriptures I exhorted him to own them as Gods word and it would be no dishonour to Christ he denied saying often thou liest they are not Gods word I said to deny them under this name was the way to derogate from truth and in time this will lead us next not to use them at all he gave most intollerable revilings for this that would have moved the tongue of the dumb but I bore all patiently through grace After that he held out perfection in this life from sin I told him we are free from sin onely in respect of the guilt Heb. 10.2 and power thereof Rom. 6.14 but not in respect of the seed or motion or act of sin I confest that I had sin in me he answered then thon hadst none of Christ for he that 's born of God doth not commit sin 1 John 3.9 I told him the word was doth not make sin it reigns not in him but he would admit no interpretation thereof then said I doth not the same Apostle tell us if we say we have no sin we deceive our selves and are lyars 1 John 1.8 his answer was that word was spoken by the carnal man Friends I pray take notice he calls John the Apostle a carnal man because he confessed he had sin I could not make him acknowledge that Christ ascended with his body to Heaven but he did shift and evade the same After this he came to St. Andrews and when the Sermon was ended he began publickly to rail at me in the usual terms And there denied any mediate call to the ministry charged me with a lie for saying Paul had sin after converted but I quoted the 7 Rom. 13. to prove it he would not hear but fell to the Fisher-womens weapons so I left the place but could not be rid of him Since this to silence their Rabshekah spirits I often made a challenge to dispute if they could find a man of reason or Scripture for they commonly say that Ministers preach nothing but lies and indeed they deny any Minister or Ordinances since the days of the Apostles So that by their Doctrines the blessed Martyrs in Queen Maries dayes was no Ministers Most abhominable Doctrine At last in answer to my challenge I received this Letter from a Quaker JOshuah Miller I being brought by Providences in the place where thee and Edmund Ellis were together And at my coming away thou didst boast in challenging any of us whom thou callest Quakers to dispute with thee Appoint the time and place and its like some of them whom thou in scorn callest Quakers may be with thee to know what thou hast to lay to their charge From one who is known to thee by the name of Francis Gauler Octob. 11. 1655. In answer to this because I would not shun any occasion to own the truth I instantly sent this answer following in general to any of them LET him who hath a spirit of love meeknesse and moderation void of railings and bitternesse judgings and condemnings that can bridle his tongue if any such man be among you if he will own these errors here set down and dispute for them let me know it and I shall God willing appoint the time and place 1. That the light which God hath given to every man that comes into the world is sufficient to Salvation without the help of any other means or discovery 2. That the Scriptures are not the word and mind of God to us but the conditions of them that spake them forth 3. That spirits are not to be tried by Scriptures 4. That there ought to be no sence meaning or expounding the Scriptures to the people 5. That we are not justified by faith upon Christs death and resurrection in what Christ purchased for us but by what Christ doth in us 6. That Christ ascended not into Heaven with the same humane body he had on earth though glorified 7. That the humane bodies of all men after death shal not rise again at the day of judgement He that will undertake to maintain any or all of these and will dispute them by Scripture send me word thereof F. G. Upon the next day at night I received a long Letter from the same man whereby he would seem to justifie some of the aforesaid opinions but because he could not spel my name nor write true English and much nonsence I sent the Letter back with this answer that I would receive no Papers from him for I challenged a publick dispute according to promise T. H. After this on the 13 of October came another Quaker into my house who in his Mummical posture sate down I asked him his businesse he said he came to deny that John Apostle John was not his Idol as I had told him I answered thou speakest falsely I never told thee so it seems my wife had spoken those words but his memory was not perfect hereupon I entred into discourse with him in hopes to convince him of his errours And after about two hours conference I made him recant these four opinions 1. ' That
giving this distinction of a threefold light which to me the Scripture warrants The first is the light of nature or reason this every man hath And this is meant by that word John 1.9 yea this light it is the Quakers contend for to be sufficient and this is but a comparative darknesse to the second And that you may have not my words for the same Paul upholds this distinction the Gentiles which know not God do by nature the things contained in the Law Where take notice what doth Paul mean by nature nothing else but the light they have to distinguish them from beasts yet mark he saith they know not God for all this light So 1 Cor. 11.14 doth not nature teach you what can be more perspicuous then to signifie the light which is natural or common to all without exception 2. Light is that of grace which is through faith in Christ and the first is called the light of God this second the light of Christ Awake thou that sleepest and Christ shall give thee light Eph. 5.14 he means here of a secure sinner under Satans power so it s said he hath redeemed or called us out of darknesse into his marvellous light What 's this marvellous light but that of faith in bringing the sinner to Christ The first light is no wonder because its common to all this second is to be admired because peculiar to some 1 Pet. 2.9 3. Light is that of glory which is the consummation and perfection of the two former And this I understand by that word of Christ he that followeth me shall not walk in darknesse but shall have the light of life John 8.12 mark it speaks in the future tense as if our life now was not full of light that is totally freed from dark thoughts evil motions and the like But the time shall come when he that follows me shall partake of a life without sin or any darknesse at all Now let none mis-understand me I do not say or mean that there are three lights in God but a three-fold degree of the same light as the Sun shines not nor heats not all over at first breaking forth so gloriously as it doth at noon as there are three lights in the Firmament yet they are from one So this threefold light the Lord hath made to manifest himself three ways the first was under and before the Law the second was in the Gospel and the third is in glory The first light makes us men the second light makes us Christian men the third glorified men The first brings us under the rule of the Law the second brings us under the rule of Christ in the Gospel and the last brings us to the Kingdom of God in the Beatifical Vision And I hope that we may safely distinguish where the Scripture doth He that understands these three degrees or measures of light will be able to escape the snare the Fowler of this opinion hath laid for him I come now to the second That the Scriptures are not the word and mind of God to us but the conditions of them that spake them forth Answ In the beginning was the word and the word was God which was before Scripture was written neither was it in the beginning and the Scripture is but that which testifies of it And here that which thou callest errour is owned for the Scripture is one thing and the word of God another thing and thou that hast no knowledge of the mind of God but by Scriptures doest manifest thy self that thou hast no better knowledge of God then the Heathen which did write on their Altar To the unknown God And thou art not a Minister of the spirit who saith it s an errour to hold that the Scriptures are not the Word of God And thou that hast no word of God nor knows nothing of God but by the Scriptures declarest thy self that thou art a stranger to God and his word Confut. In this Answer you may see as in a glasse what they maintain I shall take it into three parts and answer the same 1. They aver the Scriptures not to be Gods Word and what reason they give is because Christ is called the Word of God in divers Scriptures but will it hence follow that we may not call the Scriptures Gods Word no more then Davids calling himself though Prophetically of Christ a worm and no man makes him the lesse a man Psal 22.6 did not the word of the Lord come to the Prophets and is not that word set down in divers Chapters as Jerem. 2 1.7.1 Hosea 1.2 is not this the Word of the Lord to us for our instruction though it came first to them was it the word of God then and not now shall we take the writings as the words of the Prophets or not rather the word of God spoken by them Indeed here lies the distinction Christ is the Original and Essential Word of God but the Scriptures are the Word of God declarative What difference betwixt a mans mind and his word nothing but the word of man is the Declaration of his mind The Scripture must be either of these words 1. The word of the Divel or 2. The word of man or 3. The word of God To say its the first is Diabolical Blasphemy To aver the second is Idolatry But to hold the third is sound and sober Divinity I will onely give one plain Argument from Scripture to prove it Gods Word Argum. If one command of God in Scripture is called Gods Word then all the commands of God in Scripture are and may be called Gods Word But one command is called Gods Word Ergo. The proving of the major will ratifie the minor without further demonstration for if I make appear that one command is stiled the Word of God then it must needs follow the rest are so For proof hereof read the words of Christ himself Mark 7.10 11 12 13. where Christ quotes the fifth Commandment and tells them that some not obeying that in relieving their Parents had made the word of God of none effect For Moses said in the Law Honour thy Father and Mother and whosoever curseth Father or Mother let him die the death but ye say if a man shall say unto his father or mother Corban that is to say it s a gift by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me he shall be free And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his Father or Mother making the Word of God of none effect by your tradition What was this Word of God they made of none effect but this fifth Commandment no other sence can be put upon it Now if Christ who is the Essential Word thinks it no disgrace to himself to call one command Gods Word I may safely call all the Commands Gods Word having Christ my example for he makes two words and is not Christ better able to tell us what we shal call them then the Quakers yea sure let
them prattle what they wil this testimony is unanswerable What word did Paul and Barnab is teach in the Synagogue but the Prophets Acts 13.5 2 Cor. 4 2. I doubt Atheism wil creep in by such unwholsom words So came in Popery yet to give them their due the Quakers was not the first that broached this opinion for Swenckfeldius that lived in the 16. Century denied the Scriptures to be the Word of God so that this is no new light but old errour raked up from his writings And let sober men judge whether this is not the next step to make doubt of the truth of the Scriptures and then we shall bee Heathens indeed 2. Take notice how they set Christ and the Scriptures at variance in saying the Scripture is one thing and the Word of God another thing do not they divide whereas Christ saith they testifie of him and as he and God are one so is Christ and the Scriptures one for they cannot be broken John 10.35 3. They compare all our knowledge of God by Scriptures to no better then that of the Heathens Inscription of the Altar So that by this monstrous opinion of theirs we first worship an unknown God while we do worship by the Scriptures Secondly it follows that its Idolatry to worship him by the Scriptures which saying to me is manifest blasphemy Yea thirdly we are all strangers to God that thus know him and we with all the Saints before us that knew God in and by the Scriptures are but Heathens and so in a damnable condition for these are their word And thou that knowest nothing of God but by the Scriptures thou art a stranger to God and his Word What need Paul exhort Timothy to give himself to reading if no knowledge of God was to be had thereby 1 Tim. 4.13 A Gentlewoman of repute whom I judge to be faithfull to Christ told me that one of them sought to dehort her from reading the Scriptures which it seems this opinion allows O how sad are these things that the Lord hath cast us in such an age wherein our ears shall hear one thus indeavour to pervert another had not the Quakers themselves all the knowledge they now abuse by the Scriptures O ungratefull men yet some will pretend they have all the Bible in them and they never read it which I dare boldly say is a lie with a witnesse And this leads me to the third opinion That spirits are not to be tried by Scriptures Answ And thou that sayest its an errour to say that spirits are not to be tried by Scriptures thou art in the error and doest manifest thy self that thou wouldest try the living by the dead Confut. The reason they give for this namely that God is called the searcher and trier of hearts this will stand them in no stead at all For I shall prove that the Scripture is the rule and touch of Doctrines by this-Argument Argum. If we are to receive no other Doctrine but what is a greeable to Scripture then the Scriptures are the trial of Doctrines But the Scriptures commands us to beleeve no spirit or Doctrine but according to them Ergo. The proof of the major resolves all and the Fabrick of this errour falls Isaiah 8.20 To the Law and to the Testimony if they speak not according to this word it s because there is no light in them What 's the Law and Testimony but Moses and the Prophets which was to be the rule of judging Doctrines And mark though men might pretend that they had a light in them and therefore would not bee tried by the Scriptures The Prophet plainly tels us The Church of Rome holds this opinion that spirits must not be tried by the Scriptures that it s no light at all it s rather a ground of darknesse in them And Luke did ill in those Quakers account to commend the Bereans for being so noble as to search the Scriptures to know and try Pauls Doctrine whether it was agreeable thereunto Acts 17.11 are we not bid to try the spirits and how must that be By a light in us O strange unheard of Doctrine yet why say I unheard of the old Enthusiast hold thus and thence came in visions and immediate revelations with him as doth begin now Some saying they have the Scripture by immediate Revelation Or we have a more sure word of the Prophets See Ursin chat p. 35. Let us view that word of 2 Peter 1.19 We have also a more sure word of Prophecy whereunto ye do wel to take heed as unto a light shining in a dark place untill the day dawn and day star arise in your hearts What 's this sure word of Prophecy Peter would have the Jews that were beleeving take heed to or keep but the Prophets which was more certain then any voices or revelations and therefore be carefull ye receive no other Doctrine but agreeable to the Scriptures How long must we take heed to them untill the dawn or day star arise that is untill Christ rise in and raise up your hearts to perfect glory for the day star and day dawning are the Ushers in of perfect day So to me the Scriptures is our rule till Christ bring us to the day of perfect glory where shall be no more night untill then keep to the Scriptures as the more sure word then all Visions or the like And this is safest for every man to suspect his own spirit and opinion that it s not from God if it concurs not with the Scriptures And this dark place is our hearts Verily I much fear that the next step such people will take wil be that they may write as Authentick Letters as the Apostle Paul and as good Scripture of this opinion was the old Cataphrygians from Montanus their Leader in the year of Christ 145. who held that he had a greater measure of the spirit then the Apostles had therefore might make new Scripture For the Scriptures being a dead Letter as they say we know how to understand better then they having been many years in Christ before most of them knew any thing of God For the Letter killeth not of it self but by an accident as Rom. 7.12 13 14. The fourth Errour they seem to own is that there ought to be no sence meaning nor expounding the Scripture to the people As to this as all the rest they begin as Conjurers do with many good words but in the middle lies the poyson when they say Answ And whilest thou puts meanings and sences to that which was given forth by the Holy Ghost doest not thou discover that thou hast not the same spirit that gave them forth for the Epistles and Writings of the Apostles was given to be read in such a place to such a people and not to make a Trade of them as thou doest Confut. In this they deny any interpretation of Scripture because say they we have not the same spirit that gave